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I guess I''m in the minority here, but I have no problem with Angelina, and it seems like her and Brad have a very happy family. I actually have a lot of respect for the humanitarian and philanthropic work they have done.Date: 12/14/2008 6:35:07 AM
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I have absolutely no liking for Angelina and Brad and I think that it''s great that Jennifer kept quiet for so long. I think that she''s a classy lady. As for the saggy boobs comment,I wish mine were that saggy
It looks like Brad always wanted kids, and Jen did not. She was in her late 30s, and kept pushing off the idea of having children, while Brad seemed to want them badly. I think it''s totally fine that Jen didn''t want kids, but since her husband did, that is a dealbreaker issue for most marriages.
When Brad met Angelina, I''m sure he met her and not only fell in love with her for being beautiful, and a committed humanitarian, but also for being a committed mother. He wanted a relationship with children, and now he has one. They seem very happy together, and I''m happy for them.
Jen seems like a really nice person too, I''m sure that she''ll eventually meet someone who is a better match for her.
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I think that Addy is right - from what I understand, Angelina and Brad did have a friendship and started becoming very interested in dating each other while filming Mr. & Mrs. Smith, but she refused to formally start dating or sleeping with him until he separated from Aniston because Angie''s father''s cheating is what destroyed her marriage to her mother, and she didn''t want to be an adulturer like her father.
It seems like Brad was not happy in his relationship with Jen, and when he met Angelina, he probably started falling for her, and that''s when he decided to start divorcing Jen. I do believe them when they say that they did not physically consummate the relationship until Aniston and Pitt were separated.
As far as Angelina being seen as a "homewrecker," I don''t believe in that at all. In my opinion, if you keep your husband satisfied in your marriage, he is not going to start looking around for other women. If Brad & Jen were happy, I''m sure that he wouldn''t have pursued a relationship with someone else. I don''t believe that Angelina is a "homewrecker" - it''s not her fault that Brad obviously wasn''t happy at home. It just seems that him & Jen were not right for each other.
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Yeah, I don''t get the whole "home wrecker" stance. So, if Brad''s blooming friendship with Angelina and the love he developed for her children while working together was the catalyst that Brad needed to fully accept that he wanted a different life than the one he had with Jennifer, was Angelina supposed to bar the man from her life because he had been married? Was Brad supposed to stay with a woman, no matter how much he loved her, if she did not have the same goals and aspirations for the future as he did?
It is possible for people to fall in love without "doing the deed". In fact, I believe that Brad and Angie''s love goes well beyond the physical, and that they have been courageous in their determination to live the life they both find the most suitable for them.
Angelina transformed when she was filming "Beyond Borders". It was the first time that she was exposed to the horrific conditions and orphanages in war ravaged undeveloped countries. Education and first hand experience has a tendency to do that to people, regardless of one''s past. I think it is unfair for people to judge any of them based on the tabloid media (aside from the judging I''m about to do right now....Jen is so airbrushed on the cover of GQ).
Love is not scarce. Love is abundant. I am sure that Jen will find love if she chooses to let the past go and be present in the future. She needs to forgive or she will be doomed to this fruitless loop of the blame game. Most people marry with good intentions, but things happen. Not everybody gets it right the first time. If Jen would simply put it in the past, by action and not word, then the triangle tabloid wannabes would move off the story she keeps providing them.
It is possible for people to fall in love without "doing the deed". In fact, I believe that Brad and Angie''s love goes well beyond the physical, and that they have been courageous in their determination to live the life they both find the most suitable for them.
Angelina transformed when she was filming "Beyond Borders". It was the first time that she was exposed to the horrific conditions and orphanages in war ravaged undeveloped countries. Education and first hand experience has a tendency to do that to people, regardless of one''s past. I think it is unfair for people to judge any of them based on the tabloid media (aside from the judging I''m about to do right now....Jen is so airbrushed on the cover of GQ).
Love is not scarce. Love is abundant. I am sure that Jen will find love if she chooses to let the past go and be present in the future. She needs to forgive or she will be doomed to this fruitless loop of the blame game. Most people marry with good intentions, but things happen. Not everybody gets it right the first time. If Jen would simply put it in the past, by action and not word, then the triangle tabloid wannabes would move off the story she keeps providing them.
I completely agree and have been saying from the get go: just because you fall in love with someone doesn''t mean that you automatically sleep with them. Even Jennifer doesn''t beleive that they slept together. Angelina is the better woman for Brad and Jen will find someone that is the better man for her.
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I think these statements takes all of the blame away from Brad when in fact the blame for the failed marriage falls equally on both Jen & Brad. I mean, if my DH is unhappy in our marriage, I expect him to talk to me about it and attempt to seek a resolution so he is happy in our marriage, not have free reign to go out looking for another relationship.
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I agree with inluv. Someone takes vows, it''s not working out for them, so they decide to take off with someone else. Sorry, but in my book that''s not right. You try to work it out, then if you can''t you get divorced. Then you are free to pursue other interests and other partners. Bottom line is he and Angelina fell in love while he was married. Like I said, it doesn''t matter if they had sex or not and I''m not saying they did.
So I guess from what I''m reading from some of these replies is:
Every affair by a married man is his wife''s fault for not keeping him happy. Wow, honestly, I can''t even comment on how much I disagree with that statement and can''t even believe I''m hearing it in the year 2008. It''s like Brad had no part in any of this. Why bother taking vows if we can just take off any time we want to with no repercussions? There is really no point in taking vows at all if you think that is acceptable. I mean that, absolutely no point.
I"m going to stop commenting on this now.
So I guess from what I''m reading from some of these replies is:
Every affair by a married man is his wife''s fault for not keeping him happy. Wow, honestly, I can''t even comment on how much I disagree with that statement and can''t even believe I''m hearing it in the year 2008. It''s like Brad had no part in any of this. Why bother taking vows if we can just take off any time we want to with no repercussions? There is really no point in taking vows at all if you think that is acceptable. I mean that, absolutely no point.
I"m going to stop commenting on this now.
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Ditto every word!
Even during her Oprah interview very shortly after their divorce, Jenn kept it very civil. She said generic things you would hear about a divorce and didn''t mention Angelina. I think she''s been extremely classy throughout this entire thing.
I also agree that it wasn''t Angelina''s fault BUT for you to fall in love with a man while married means that you had to have gotten close enough to him while he was married. Unless you''re a teen of course that falls in love with just the idea of someone. I think in general Angelina has no respect for other women''s men. I don''t know if anyone caught the special she did many, many years ago where she discussed having "lovers" and made comments that left people wondering if some of those "lovers" were married men. Can''t confirm if that''s true or not but since that interview, I stopped liking her. I think what she does to volunteer is great though.
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See and here is the problem....if that is in fact true her playing the victim role and putting all the blame on Angelena is not right. I think this is one of the things that I do not like about her. She is not taking any responibility for her role in the demise of HER marriage she is instead blaming Angelina. Now what I am about to say may cause some comments but if the above quote is right, I have to defend Angelina all the way. She is being painted as a home wrecker because Jennifer does not want to admit any wrong doing on her end. Jennifer should be happy that Angelina loves Brad so much that she isn''t saying anything about how their marriage really was and showing Jennifer''s true colours.
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saggy boobs?
leave the woman be... she got to sleep with brad pitt so she''s definitely 6897697 steps ahead of the rest of us
And as far as Angelina and married men go... don''t be mad at the girl, be mad at the married scumbag who''s breaking his vows!
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Not that I could know she was a bad wife, but from what was shown to the public, it didn't look like some simple "i was happily married but then i did this film with angelina and it all went to poo" the way people would like to make it out to be.
I mean, c'mon, a poster above said something along the lines of 'falling in love with a married man can lead to that man leaving his wife' really, it's that simple? Well my marriage may be doomed. I mean suppose some guy falls in love with me, guess that means I have to leave my husband! wtf? The feelings need to be mutual.
It was more than obvious that things weren't working out for those two prior to Angelina being in the picture. But people want a scapegoat rather than look at the two people IN the marriage. No one can break up your marriage except you and/or your spouse. Jen seriously looks like a whiney brat, and at her age, 4 years later, and with her having a boyfriend, she looks extra pathetic. Get over it already. If you have truly moved on it shouldn't matter what Angie and Brad say about their relationship. But hey, she has two movies to promote and obviously Brad/Angelina are the only things that really get people interested in her. It's a shame, I liked Rachel.
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In my opinion, spouses should try to keep each other happy and interested. Sometimes when people feel unahppy in relationships, they cheat with people who make them happy. I do think that spouses have responsibility towards each others'' happiness. If one spouse lets themself go or starts being nasty to or dismissive of the other, I don''t think that they should plan on having their spouse stick around - no one needs to take abuse or be unhappy in the long term. I also believe that each spouse is equally responsible to keep the other happy - I''ve seen plenty of marriages where the man has ignored his wife for years, and then the wife leaves for a man that pays attention to her. It can work that way for either gender.
I have read extensively on this topic, and the number one reason that men end up cheating on their wives is because they feel belittled, emasculated and ignored. After years of feeling unimportant and disrespected by their wives, they often begin cheating with women who make them feel good about themselves.
Women often frequently cheat as well, but for different reasons. Women most frequently cheat when they have young children at home. Men often start emotionally "checking out" when a baby is born and their wives pay less attention to them, and women feel like their husbands view them as less attractive after their bodies change. Women then have affairs to validate themselves with men who make them feel attractive and desirable.
I think that you''re probably surpised to read what I said "in 2008", but I''m not, because the divorce rate now is far higher than years ago, when people realized that they had to work to keep themselves as desirable, contributing partners to a marriage. These days, partners forget to let their spouses know that they are desired and appreciated, and so their spouses wander and have affairs, and subsequently divorce.
I think it''s very sad when people let themselves go, ignore and belittle their spouses, and then wonder why their spouse had to have an affair to feel happy and fulfilled. People take vows all the time - but if one spouse breaks them, and refuses to try to fix the relationship, should the wronged spouse suffer for the rest of their life? People change all the time - if you married one person, and they changed so much over the course of years that you find yourself miserable, does that mean that you have to endure that misery forever?
From the sounds of your post, I guess that battered women should stay in abusive relationships. I mean, after all, according to your reasoning, since they did take a vow, they are obligated to never, ever leave the marriage, under any circumstances, right?
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My friend is a flight attendant and she was assigned to first class. Low and behold, who comes in, J.Aniston. As soon as she entered the plane, she started making demands, one of the first was trying to get her entourage to have seats assigned in 1st class also even though they didn''t. Apparently she made a huge fuss (thinking she would get her way if she did this when she boarded since she didn''t get her way prior to). It didn''t work, they had to sit in their assigned seats, the plane was full. She said J.Aniston made it a living he!! for the rest of the flight.
Yeah... after hearing this, I lost all respect for her.
Yeah... after hearing this, I lost all respect for her.
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You're kidding, right? You think that because I believe people should try to work on their marraiges rather than stray, that I'm saying women should stay in abusive relationships? That is absurd and I won't even comment on it. No woman deserves to be in an abusive relationship, marriage vows or not. There is not one good reason I can think of for a woman to put herself in danger.
But the general idea I'm getting from your post is if a woman has a baby, doesn't have time to keep up her appearance or gains weight thus "letting herself go", and has to devote more time to the child (thus not devoting all her energy to her husband), then her husband should be forgiven if he strays. Ok that makes perfect sense.
I don't think anyone should stay in a marriage forever if they are unhappy, but people should just make an effort rather than quit, that's all I'm saying. If you try to work it out and it's not possible, then at least you tried. I'm not against divorce at all. I'm against men leaving their wives for younger, prettier versions.
And by the way, I have seen married men leave their wives because a woman fell in love with them (and yes, vice versa). Seen it several times actually. It does happen and it doesn't mean they necessarily had a miserable marriage, or the woman gained weight, or was belittling. It's easy to think those things when you've never seen a marriage fall apart without an obvious reason besides the other woman. Sometimes she is the reason. Some women in fact pursue married men.
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Look, I''m not excusing the reasons that people cheat, and I also believe on working on marital issues. The fact is, that people do cheat, and the reasons that I listed above are very typical reasons why people do it. It doesn''t make it right, or excuse the behavior, but it''s the truth. If you don''t believe me, you can read the book by noted psychiatrist Dr. M. Gary Neuman, "The Truth About Cheating." He based his explanations for why people cheat (men & women) on years of counseling couples with fidelity issues. A lot of people, like yourself, bristled when this Dr. talked about his book on Oprah, and he said that he''s not condoning cheating at all, but he is explaining the reasons it happens to men and women. He also said that if more couples were tuned into their spouses and interested in maintaining their relationships, they would look for the warning signals and take measures to keep their spouses happy and engaged in their marriages.Date: 12/15/2008 7:15:16 PM
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You''re kidding, right? You think that because I believe people should try to work on their marraiges rather than stray, that I''m saying women should stay in abusive relationships? That is absurd and I won''t even comment on it. No woman deserves to be in an abusive relationship, marriage vows or not. There is not one good reason I can think of for a woman to put herself in danger.
But the general idea I''m getting from your post is if a woman has a baby, doesn''t have time to keep up her appearance or gains weight thus ''letting herself go'', and has to devote more time to the child (thus not devoting all her energy to her husband), then her husband should be forgiven if he strays. Ok that makes perfect sense.Life happens, people gain weight, we''re not all as beautiful or lovely as we were when we were 20. When you love someone you accept them for who they are, not how they look. If you really love someone, you''re not gonna walk out on them if they aren''t as beautiful or attractive as they were the day you met them. I''m not saying it doesn''t happen, but the way you are phrasing it is acting like it''s acceptable and should be expected.
I don''t think anyone should stay in a marriage forever if they are unhappy, but people should just make an effort rather than quit, that''s all I''m saying. If you try to work it out and it''s not possible, then at least you tried. I''m not against divorce at all. I''m against men leaving their wives for younger, prettier versions.
And by the way, I have seen married men leave their wives because they fell in love with another woman. Seen it several times actually. It does happen and it doesn''t mean they necessarily had a miserable marriage, or the woman gained weight, or was belittling. It''s easy to think those things when you''ve never seen a marriage fall apart without an obvious reason besides the other woman. Sometimes she is the reason.
I guess I''m just a little shellshocked by the attitudes I''m hearing.
I did not say that it''s OK for people to cheat because a spouse gained weight, or belittles them, or treats them like another child in the family - but the fact is, it happens.
I don''t think that running out the door is the first option, but I am saying that I can understand that sometimes people are so unhappy in their marriages, when they meet someone who doesn''t constantly criticize them, they may start looking more appealing than the nasty spouse waiting at home (male or female).
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I see more of your point now. I thought you were saying that it was ok and acceptable.
No worries! I certainly don''t want this to get into a heated argument!
Let''s face it, not all marriages work out. We all know that. I''m also not saying those aren''t reasons why people break up. I just think if someone gets to the point where they really don''t want to be around their spouse that much, they at least owe it to them to talk to them about it before they find someone else. Give the spouse a chance to understand what is going on. Without that courtesy, I don''t see the point of being married really. If we can leave on a whim, there is no point to it.
No worries! I certainly don''t want this to get into a heated argument!
Let''s face it, not all marriages work out. We all know that. I''m also not saying those aren''t reasons why people break up. I just think if someone gets to the point where they really don''t want to be around their spouse that much, they at least owe it to them to talk to them about it before they find someone else. Give the spouse a chance to understand what is going on. Without that courtesy, I don''t see the point of being married really. If we can leave on a whim, there is no point to it.
how do we know that brad and jennifer''s marriage was not in trouble from before? There have been rumors from when he was filming Troy that they were speaking about a seperation....this was way before he started filming Mr and Mrs Smith. So if that is the case you could fairly say that everything was spoken about and they did decide to split but it wasn''t announced to the public. Fact is we don''t know why their marriage didn''t work out but I do not believe that Angelina was the cause of the breakup just a scapegoat for Jennifer.
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I agree completely re Angelina. Can.Not.Stand.Her. Narcissit is right.
And its not because I really ike Jennifer - although I do think the bragging about the Mr and Mrs Smith movie is hurtful. I agree with other posters on the whole "breakup" saga though that we probably still don't have the whole story, and all 3 of them have parts to play/blame to take.
I just find Ange to seem sooo completely false (yes, even more than usual celebs, lol)..
She seems to have a real "mother Theresa" complex. This was possibly just rumour, but for all her harping about charity, I've read/heard that she's been criticized for not giving much in the scheme of things (time and money).
And sure, its easy to have 8 children or whatever it is now when you have an army of staff to do all the work - I find her bragging about how easy motherhood is to be insulting to *real* parents who do it all themselves.
Lol, can you tell I'm not a fan?
I would like to add isn't it interesting how much the media stories and public perception differs so wildly from reality, as illustrated by LAJennifer's posts...and seeing as all my info on Ange is gleaned from the media, it is very possible everything I think/feel about her is the opposite of how she really is, lol !
Oh, and diamondsrock and vespergirl, if you read back you guys are essentially saying the same thing
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I couldn''t agree more...Date: 12/16/2008 4:57:44 AM
Author: arjunajane
I agree completely re Angelina. Can.Not.Stand.Her. Narcissit is right.
And its not because I really ike Jennifer - although I do think the bragging about the Mr and Mrs Smith movie is hurtful. I agree with other posters on the whole ''breakup'' saga though that we probably still don''t have the whole story, and all 3 of them have parts to play/blame to take.
I just find Ange to seem sooo completely false (yes, even more than usual celebs, lol)..
She seems to have a real ''mother Theresa'' complex. This was possibly just rumour, but for all her harping about charity, I''ve read/heard that she''s been criticized for not giving much in the scheme of things (time and money).
And sure, its easy to have 8 children or whatever it is now when you have an army of staff to do all the work - I find her bragging about how easy motherhood is to be insulting to *real* parents who do it all themselves.
Lol, can you tell I''m not a fan?My Fi of course thinks its jealousy, but I just genuinely don''t like her persona.
I would like to add isn''t it interesting how much the media stories and public perception differs so wildly from reality, as illustrated by LAJennifer''s posts...and seeing as all my info on Ange is gleaned from the media, it is very possible everything I think/feel about her is the opposite of how she really is, lol !
Oh, and diamondsrock and vespergirl, if you read back you guys are essentially saying the same thingAnd fwiw, I agree with points both of you have made.
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