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marian

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has anyone taken a jubilee diamond to their local jeweler to be set and the jeweler refused to set it because the cut corners were thin? The jeweler to whom I took the stone said he thought the cut corners (with the points) were too much of a risk to set, and that it was very prone to being chipped if worn everyday (like an engagement ring).This stone is a .44 vvs1. It was to be set in a tiffany style ,18k/plat.head ,4 prong setting. Need some feedback quick. The jeweler did comment on the beauty of the diamond, but did not like the cut because of the thin girdle. He did not like the points in the cut corners.-said it made it not durable to wear. Besides it beauty does anyone have any feedback on the way it is cut and its durability for wearing as a ring. thanks, marian
 
Find another jeweler. They should be able to set diamonds with thin girdles... look at princess cuts, if you went by the jeweler's criteria none of those should be set either. Find another who will set it.
 
eyes: I needed the stone set immediately, and he was the one who could do that for me. this store is a very reputible store,been in business for years. now I am worried about the stability of the cut.
 
THE JUBILEE HAS A GIRDLE OF 0.05MM. 1.1%. IS THIS THE PROBLEM-TOO THIN? ANYONE KNOW? MARIAN
 
Have you talked to Jonathan at GOG about it? What about the other PS users that have Jubilees....Squares, Limey, or VerticalHorizon?
 
Ever thought about a bezel set???, which would have to be custom since the Jub is a new thing. It would shield the thin girdle from direct blows in everyday ware.

squire
 
This sounds weird... obviously this is not the only cut with corners
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The jewelry store you went to may be an old one, but the Jubilee cut is not! If the jeweler feel taht his usual settings are not appropriate for this unusual cut, than I'd believe him and find another. The seller of the stone should be able to recommend someone familiar with setting these.

Anyway, I know nothing about your stone - if the girdle was too thin somewhere, the cert may read "very thin" or "extremely thin" girdle somewhere
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And even then, some simple solution such as double prong setting should take care of the issue by wraping those corners nicely. A bezel for a non-round may not be straightforward to have made, but obviously feasible, of course.
 
This picture form Wink's shows what I mentioned above (on Stuller's catalog, this kind of setting is called "Octet"). A fishtail setting could take care of the problem nicely as well
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On 6/9/2004 10:13:45 PM marian wrote:

THE JUBILEE HAS A GIRDLE OF 0.05MM. 1.1%. IS THIS THE PROBLEM-TOO THIN? ANYONE KNOW? MARIAN----------------
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That dousn't sound out of the ordinary to me.

There is another Jubilee set in a four prong setting listed by Good Old Gold HERE The stone (still listed as "sold") has the girdle only a hair wider (0.08mm, or 1.6%).

Since your stone is smaller, it should be better potected by the setting, if anything.
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The first picture in GOG's gallery is of a Vatche X-prong setting. Jonathan told me Vatche is planning to make a variation of this setting but with two smaller prongs at each corner instead of the normal one prong. I haven't seen a picture yet so I'm not sure how it'll look. It might be something to consider.
 
I'm not sure how they measure the girdle, b/c it's thin on the corners and very thick on the longer sides. Think of an RB that had it's sides faceted off. This is normal for the cut (not present in the QoH), but curious about it's measurement.

Since the corners are usually where the prongs are placed, the Jub is a very sturdy diamond I should think.
 
Another point... how are Jubilee's corners ANY thinner than Princess corners and they've been setting those for who knows how long. It sounds like a scaredy-cat way of saying they don't want to be liable for damage for setting a stone their unfamiliar with.

When instead, they should just say, "I don't want to be liable for damage for setting a stone I'm not familiar with," and be done with it.
 
EXACTLY Vertical...that's what it is...he didn't want to deal with it and face liability...I mean seriously, how can it be worse than an extremely thin princess girdle?
 
And I think this goes for any stone- just make sure it's insured and you'll never have to worry....ESPECIALLY if someone other than GOG is setting it....then you will REALLY be sh*t out of luck...
 
You don't want to work with a jeweler who isn't being honest.

Of course there's a range of honesty from CYA just plain 'scurred' (read: scared) to downright lying, but still. How bad is it to just tell the truth?
 
LOL.....he's scurred....I'm scurred just thinking about it from over herr.
 
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On 6/10/2004 9:23:18 AM verticalhorizon wrote:

Another point... how are Jubilee's corners ANY thinner than Princess corners and they've been setting those for who knows how long. It sounds like a scaredy-cat way of saying they don't want to be liable for damage for setting a stone their unfamiliar with.

When instead, they should just say, 'I don't want to be liable for damage for setting a stone I'm not familiar with,' and be done with it. ----------------
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I agree. Actually, any time we set a stone that we did not sell, we require our clients to sign a release of liability. We decline to be responsible for stones of several thousands of dollars in exchange for a $35 setting fee.

Personally, I think the Jubilee is an incredible stone and I look forward to setting many of them. In my opinion, they will be FAR less susceptible to damage than the sharp cornered princess cut stones.

Wink
 
marian;

I've been talking to Jonathan (GOG) about buying a Jubilee. After reading your post I asked him about. He said the thin girdle on the cut corners wasn't a problem to worry about. He said if it was he wouldn't buy or sell them.

What did you end up doing?
 
the jubilee is beautiful and jonathan is a prince. my advice to you is to let jonathan set it. then you would not be in my situation. i am in a time crunch , so sending it back to have it set doesn't appear to be an option. haven't done anything yet. trying to get a few other opinions. marian
 
I hope it works out for you.
 
i was told a fishtail wouldn't work.isn't that a v prong for the corners of a princess? also, if you covered the points on the cut corners wouldn't that leave the rest of the corners exposed. Is that such a good idea marian
 
i checked into insurance coverage for setting the stone and was told that you could not get coverage for setting , only after it was set. got any ideas. marian
 
Wink;

Are there any settings that you think would work really well or really bad with the Jubilee?

John
 
I just spoke with Mr. Horowitz from the company that is having this diamond cut.

He tells me that he showed the stone to literally thousands of people at the Las Vegas show last week and that not one of the bench jewelers who looked at it expressed any concern with setting the stone. He also tells me that when developing the cut that they tried the truncated corners and it just did NOT perform as well as with the corner arrangement that they have now.

I reiterate my opinion that this is BOATLOADS more safe than the sharp cornered princess cut stone for setting.

You can learn more about this stone at www.jubileecut.com. You can also call Jonathon at Good Old Gold, as he is the only authorized internet vendor of these stones, all the rest of us will be dealing with our local and existing clientele. They are extraordinary and you can expect delays if you are looking for a particular size and quality as the stones were basically sold out at the Vegas show. More are coming in quickly, but the demand is huge for this lovely new stone!

Wink
 
hey wink...how much you think a 1.9 G Si1 (if ever such a perfect creature did exist) jubilee would cost???
 
I am the wrong person to ask since you are not in my marketing area. Please ask Jonathon, he can get Mr. Horowitz to cut one for you when you are ready. While I know what I think it will be, it would be better for me to allow Jonathon the courtesy of finding out for sure. This stone will primarily be sold via B&M stores with Jonathon filling in and each dealer will have an inventory of stones that he owns. They are very reasonably priced, that I can tell you, as I was very pleasantly surprised at the pricing.

Wink
 
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Wink;


Are there any settings that you think would work really well or really bad with the Jubilee?


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Sorry, I missed this, it came in while I was typing an earlier respone. So far I have seen the stone set in a round stone head with round prongs, looks great, no problem with the setting. I have also seen it with a V-vap head made for a straight cornered princes, looks great, no problem with the setting.

I think it would look REALLY HOT in the octet setting shown above by Valaria101 (thank you for the courtesy of giving pictoral credit, it is always appreciated!).

Quite frankly, I think it is going to be a very wonderful looking stone in any setting that is meant to look good with a princess cut stone. Also it will fit most round four prong heads, just measure them on the diagonal to figure out the proper head size rather than side to side like you would a princess cut setting.

Wink
 
Shhhheeeesshhh. I was just curious is all. I'm not "comparison shopping"....
 
wink: would the small size of my stone(0.44) have anything to do with the fact that now the girdle will be thinner and that makes it risky. the avg.(i am asumming) on the gcal report for the girdle is 2% with 0.09mm. this may not be what it is at its thinnest place. i was told the standard for girdles is .7-2.7% the sarin report from gog says 1.1% 0.05mm. this should be within the limits. would one tiny spot of extra thin be a problem-at the cut corner. marian
 
RE: Shhhheeeesshhh. I was just curious is all. I'm not "comparison shopping"....
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I know that, but I have to let Jonathon have some of the fun! I have to at least try to be appropriate in my posts so as not to let my enthusiasm get me into trouble. (Again!)

Wink who is trying to get wiser as he gets older!
 
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