Khalil Mahmoud

[Mreader]

No matter what you think about the cause he is supporting, anyone knowing the story should be deeply concerned. He is a legal resident of the United States with a green card, yet plain clothes agents arrested him and shipped him off to a Louisiana detention center.

His fundamental rights have been violated and it’s just shocking. I didn’t think I could be shocked anymore yet here we are.

As a point of reference, there was a Nazi march in Cincinnati a few days back and there were police officers there to protect them from harm.

Unbelievable.

 

[missy]

Having a green card is a privilege and there are certain regulations one must adhere too. One of them is not supporting terrorism and not wanting destruction to America.

This is not about freedom of speech.
He coordinated events that were pro-war, pro-violence and pro- terrorism. He has committed violent acts.

It's amazing how you are crying for him and yet have you said a word about the American hostages being held in Gaza??
No. Your silence is deafening.

This is not just about Israel. It's about destroying the USA.
Wake up. Open your eyes.

 

[Mreader]

Having a green card is a privilege and there are certain regulations one must adhere too. One of them is not supporting terrorism and not wanting destruction to America.

This is not about freedom of speech.
He coordinated events that were pro-war, pro-violence and pro- terrorism. He has committed violent acts.

It's amazing how you are crying for him and yet have you said a word about the American hostages being held in Gaza??
No. Your silence is deafening.

This is not just about Israel. It's about destroying the USA.
Wake up. Open your eyes.

I figured that you would say something like that, but some of the things that you are saying are false. Speaking out against what’s happening in Gaza is not the same as supporting terrorism. You seem to equate it as the same. It is not.

I find it reprehensible what happened in Israel in October 2023. I do hope for the release of the hostages. For ceasefire.

He did not commit a crime. He’s not even accused of committing a crime. He spoke out against the war, and he is being retaliated against. For speaking out. Not for committing a crime.

I agree with you about the destruction of the United States right now because that’s what’s happening largely based on situations such as these.

 

[Rockdiamond]

You could not devise a more effective way of splitting us up- turning us against one another.
I'll bet that most people would agree that if a green card holder is convicted of a serious crime, expulsion seems appropriate.
Has this person has even been charged with a crime?
Are they deporting any white supremacist nazi sympathisers?

 

[kenny]

... Are they deporting any white supremacist nazi sympathisers?

If they are American citizens, can they even be deported?

 

[Karl_K]

If they are American citizens, can they even be deported?

Yes, American citizens have been deported in a few cases.
One was an actual Nazi, not just someone liberals dont like.

Former Nazi Death Camp guard John Demjanjuk deported to Germany

Former Nazi Death Camp guard John Demjanjuk was removed through a court order of removal obtained by the Department of Justice. On March 10, 2009, a German judge issued an order directing that Demjanjuk, 89, be arrested on suspicion of assisting in the murder of at least 29,000 Jews at the...

www.ice.gov

 

[Mreader]

If they are American citizens, can they even be deported?

No, but that’s the point I’m making. That’s what makes the situation so frightening.They aren’t supposed to be able to, but given the climate, it looks like that could be an actual possibility or at least the attempt. Green card status is a legal status that allows indefinite stay and work in the US. Typically green card holders pursue citizenship. When they first approached the student, they said they were going to take away his student visa. His wife then said that he doesn’t have a student visa, but he’s a green card holder. Ice agents were really confused, they made a phone call, and they said they were arresting him anyway, and they were going to revoke the green card. Thankfully, a judge has blocked this while it is being looked at further, but just the fact that it happened at all is crazy. It seems to be arrest first - ask questions later.

Makes me think of McCarthy era tactics.

 

[Mreader]

Yes, American citizens have been deported in a few cases.
One was an actual Nazi, not just someone liberals dont like.

Former Nazi Death Camp guard John Demjanjuk deported to Germany

Former Nazi Death Camp guard John Demjanjuk was removed through a court order of removal obtained by the Department of Justice. On March 10, 2009, a German judge issued an order directing that Demjanjuk, 89, be arrested on suspicion of assisting in the murder of at least 29,000 Jews at the...

www.ice.gov

Ivan the Terrible - That is a very weird case. A shame that the verdict was overturned after he was convicted in Israel. Reminiscent of the Eichman case but with unhappier results.

 

[Mreader]

You could not devise a more effective way of splitting us up- turning us against one another.
I'll bet that most people would agree that if a green card holder is convicted of a serious crime, expulsion seems appropriate.
Has this person has even been charged with a crime?
Are they deporting any white supremacist nazi sympathisers?

No, he has not been charged with a crime.
It seems that after the arrest, they have dug up clause to try to use about how his efforts would have adverse foreign policy consequences.

They don’t have a leg to stand on. I really hope it gets resolved quickly though because right now he’s still in detention.

It was warned that he will not be the only person that this will happen to.

It’s very, very bad.

One of my best friends is a green card holder, and she serves on administrative committees at our university. Those same committees often push back against government. She is resigning from her administrative position because she’s so scared.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

If they are American citizens, can they even be deported?

Yes.

U.S. citizen child recovering from brain cancer deported to Mexico with undocumented parents

The Texas family was on their way to an emergency medical checkup, they said, when they were detained at an immigration checkpoint.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[maryjane04]

This is terrifying from the outside. I've often heard how difficult it is to obtain a green card in the first place. And then to have the authority to remove someone without any charges and then making some charges up? I have so many questions. I thought freedom of speech was a thing but guess not.

There were interviews were some were asked proof of these alleged crimes but none could be provided. Also I read somewhere that his wife is heavily pregnant so I really hope they could be reunited soon.

 

[Rockdiamond]

They don’t have a leg to stand on. I really hope it gets resolved quickly though because right now he’s still in detention.

Apparently there is an obscure law that allows the Sec of State to declare someone a threat, and trigger removal.....

The guy who represnted the Nazi's in Skokie years ago was David Goldberger. As Jewish as they come. But back then, a small number of Nazi marchers was met by large numbers of counter protestors.....

 

[missy]

Speaking out against what’s happening in Gaza is not the same as supporting terrorism. You seem to equate it as the same. It is not.

He didn't just "speak out" no that would be fine. That's within the laws of free speech. But no, he did much more.
This case is not about silencing freedom of speech. It's about enforcing the law.

Khalil wasn't just any student organizer/ He was a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD). A group that has not only publicly endorsed Hamas, armed resistance, and the dismantling of Western Civilization. He also participated in the occupying of school buildings-the first of which resulted in severe costly property damage which was a crime.

He was a spokesperson for the Hamiton takeover. So not just words. But actions that violate USA law for green card holders according to the United States Code for green card holders. When applying for legal permanent residency you have to attest you do not advocate for the overthrowing of any government.

This is the LAW like it or not.
Why are you holding extremist leftists to a different standard than right wing extremists?
Both extremes of the political spectrum are very problematic. Both extremes are unacceptable.
This is NOT about freedom of speech. It is about ACCOUNTABILITY.
The law applies to EVERYONE regardless of ideology.

If you incite, aid or endorse terrorism you don't get to hide behind activism.
You face the consequences.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Truth, the first casualty of war.
I have not read substantive reports about exactly what the guy did, or did not do.
If indeed, he violated the law, I'll bet many people who are upset would re-think it.
Are there reputable reports of the lawbreaking?

The law applies to EVERYONE regardless of ideology

No, not everyone. Thank you SCOTUS!!

 

[Mreader]

Apparently there is an obscure law that allows the Sec of State to declare someone a threat, and trigger removal.....

The guy who represnted the Nazi's in Skokie years ago was David Goldberger. As Jewish as they come. But back then, a small number of Nazi marchers was met by large numbers of counter protestors.....

Right, and that obscure law I think was found after the fact. Again, at first, they thought they were revoking somebody with a student visa, so they didn’t even have an understanding of his status as upon arrest. Hopefully it will be seen as the transparent ploy that it is, and let’s hope so because if they succeed in deporting him, it’s going to be a deluge

 

[Mreader]

Truth, the first casualty of war.
I have not read substantive reports about exactly what the guy did, or did not do.
If indeed, he violated the law, I'll bet many people who are upset would re-think it.
Are there reputable reports of the lawbreaking?


No, not everyone. Thank you SCOTUS!!

So far they have produced zero evidence that he was a supporter of Hamas.

 

[Mreader]

He didn't just "speak out" no that would be fine. That's within the laws of free speech. But no, he did much more.
This case is not about silencing freedom of speech. It's about enforcing the law.

Khalil wasn't just any student organizer/ He was a leader of Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD). A group that has not only publicly endorsed Hamas, armed resistance, and the dismantling of Western Civilization. He also participated in the occupying of school buildings-the first of which resulted in severe costly property damage which was a crime.

He was a spokesperson for the Hamiton takeover. So not just words. But actions that violate USA law for green card holders according to the United States Code for green card holders. When applying for legal permanent residency you have to attest you do not advocate for the overthrowing of any government.

This is the LAW like it or not.
Why are you holding extremist leftists to a different standard than right wing extremists?
Both extremes of the political spectrum are very problematic. Both extremes are unacceptable.
This is NOT about freedom of speech. It is about ACCOUNTABILITY.
The law applies to EVERYONE regardless of ideology.

If you incite, aid or endorse terrorism you don't get to hide behind activism.
You face the consequences.

If a right wing extremist were hunted down and tossed in detention with no due process or ability to speak to a lawyer, then I would critique that too.

He did not occupy the school buildings, nor did he sleep at the camps. He was actually a mediator between the two. I’ve got more to say To your other claim – will respond later - At doctor appointment lol

 

[Rockdiamond]

So far they have produced zero evidence that he was a supporter of Hamas.

I believe one of Hamas' goal is to splinter us ( the Jewish people)
Makes it far more difficult to be open minded to a two state solution......does every supporter of Palestinian causes also support Hamas?

 

[nala]

This is not about upholding the law. It is an abuse of power so that newly converted voters (voters who previously valued liberal ideals—but threw those values out the window and made a deal with the devil—in the name of their religion) can continue to support this party. Sigh. Sadly. People forget that they are American first and are letting this outside conflict redefine and destroy America.

 

[Rockdiamond]

If it doesn't go without saying, I feel that harassment of Jewish ( or any) students is totally unacceptable- and I'm disappointed stronger law enforcement actions weren't taken at the time. Or now.
But so many unacceptable things are going on......

 

[nala]

If it doesn't go without saying, I feel that harassment of Jewish ( or any) students is totally unacceptable- and I'm disappointed stronger law enforcement actions weren't taken at the time. Or now.
But so many unacceptable things are going on......

College students have historically used their voices to protest on college campuses. All sides are allowed freedom of speech. It’s a shame that some are so threatened or angered by their demonstrations that they now defend the abuse of power and try to justify it in the name of the law.

 

[Rockdiamond]

I wasn't there.....but based on reputable sources, the demonstrations went beyond allowable freedom of speech.
Peaceful protests would not prevent students from going to class- or harrass specific groups.
I was alive in the '60's.
What has been going on is much different and worse, from the standpoint of antisemitism.

I agree that diverse viewpoints are essential to well rounded education.

 

[Mreader]

I wasn't there.....but based on reputable sources, the demonstrations went beyond allowable freedom of speech.
Peaceful protests would not prevent students from going to class- or harrass specific groups.
I was alive in the '60's.
What has been going on is much different and worse, from the standpoint of antisemitism.

I agree that diverse viewpoints are essential to well rounded education.

Some of this is definitely true. For example, the people who interrupted the professors class on the history of Israel. Completely unacceptable and I’m glad those students were expelled! That is not what’s going on with this particular person I’m referencing though. And if it weren’t for the judge, holding up the deportation, he would’ve had no due process. This isn’t a situation where somebody was arrested and accused of a crime and will have their day in court. They would’ve deported him if they had been successful.

 

[missy]

Truth, the first casualty of war.
I have not read substantive reports about exactly what the guy did, or did not do.
If indeed, he violated the law, I'll bet many people who are upset would re-think it.
Are there reputable reports of the lawbreaking?

I wasn't there.....but based on reputable sources, the demonstrations went beyond allowable freedom of speech.
Peaceful protests would not prevent students from going to class- or harrass specific groups.
I was alive in the '60's.
What has been going on is much different and worse, from the standpoint of antisemitism.

Jewish students in many cases were barred from classes due to the violence. They said they couldn’t adequately protect them.

A Jewish professor (Shai Davidai) was banned from campus for speaking the truth.

Barnard/Columbia is my Alma mater. I have many connections there still. Khalil is not innocent.

And the Jewish students were not being protected.

Believe me or not David.
This is the truth

 

[ShinyPink]

So many of our freedoms are being stripped away. Period. It's should not be a case of selectively deciding what to enforce. Don't ever tell me that certain people are above the law, nor that the Constitution and laws do not apply to everyone. I'm tired of it. I'm extremely pissed and fed-up with the excuses for violating our rights.

Stop with the "all _____" are bad people. We are in this mess because of this thinking. It became a big "F you" with our freedoms and the best interests of the world being sacrificed because of a certain region's centuries-long conflict. I have zero tolerance anymore for those upset about vaccines, women's rights, etc. because they chose to put us in this disaster.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Barnard/Columbia is my Alma mater. I have many connections there still. Khalil is not innocent.

I'm not saying he is. But can we at least agree that a standard of " a lot of people are saying" is not an acceptable legal position? We still need to have charges filed and a trial. We'd need those things if there is to be a rule of law.
None of this defends any of the bad actions you mentioned. Nor do I doubt they happened.

 

[missy]

I'm not saying he is. But can we at least agree that a standard of " a lot of people are saying" is not an acceptable legal position? We still need to have charges filed and a trial. We'd need those things if there is to be a rule of law.
None of this defends any of the bad actions you mentioned. Nor do I doubt they happened.

I never use the argument “a lot of people are saying”. Definitely an unacceptable position

 

[Mreader]

Khalil is not innocent.


[/QUOTE]

Innocent until proven guilty - Which is not happening right now. Which hopefully will happen depending on what goes on in court and this latest judge.

 

[Slickk]

I can’t believe what I’m seeing and reading about this guy…

He is a 31 year old “student” who miraculously came to America, got married and his green card in less than three years. He distributed pamphlets that praised Hamas and what happened on 10/7. He organizes protests/riots/takeovers on our campuses and in NYC. It’s not about his freedom of speech. It’s his actions. And actions have consequences.
If he despises western civilization/America (which he has himself written, see below), isn’t it ironic that he has Nineteen $1000/hr attorneys working for him to stay here?
This is his group’s message, since deleted. I don’t know about you all, but I don’t think he belongs here harboring such hatred for us. But, then again, I live <50 miles from Ground Zero.

 

[Mreader]

I can’t believe what I’m seeing and reading about this guy…

He is a 31 year old “student” who miraculously came to America, got married and his green card in less than three years. He distributed pamphlets that praised Hamas and what happened on 10/7. He organizes protests/riots/takeovers on our campuses and in NYC. It’s not about his freedom of speech. It’s his actions. And actions have consequences.
If he despises western civilization/America (which he has himself written, see below), isn’t it ironic that he has Nineteen $1000/hr attorneys working for him to stay here?
This is his group’s message, since deleted. I don’t know about you all, but I don’t think he belongs here harboring such hatred for us. But, then again, I live <50 miles from Ground Zero.

Not sure why you put student in a quotation marks because he is a student and was supposed to graduate. He has denied being a part of CUAD. But again, what happened was unprecedented and illegal. If they think he committed a crime, charge him with a crime and let it play out in the courts.