Limping basset hound :-(

[iheartscience]

Date: 2/5/2010 6:50:37 PM
Author: RockHugger

Date: 2/5/2010 6:45:19 PM

Author: whitby_2773

yep. cause those happy puppy wishes will heal an injured disc, spine, nerve, tendon or joint every time...

rockhugger - if you dont want to go to the vet when your pet is injured - i cant force you. but at least CALL the vet. at least acknowledge that the vet knows more about sick animals than you do and use their expertise as a resource - on your PET'S behalf. surely that doesn't compromise your beliefs in any way - one phone call with an expert? surely you don't believe your massage course qualifies you to treat sick animals as a general rule? i think of all the times my pets have been ill - massage would have helped them, i'd say, 0% of the time.

i wanted also to comment on your post where you mentioned that your dog had a habit of involuntary urination when hurt or afraid or etc. my feeling is that your dog has learnt to be afraid of something/s in your environment and is living in an ongoing state of tension and overt submission. i'm not sure if you believe your massage experience extends to treating animal behavior problems, but my belief is that you have an animal behavior problem right here. i love my dogs - they're family to me - and if saw one of my dogs so unhappy in this manner, i'd take him to a specialist, because it would be CLEAR that something in MY environment had caused the problem. so obviously what i'd been doing, which i had thought was an acceptable way to treat this animal, WASN'T.

i'd encourage you to do the same.

I am sure you didnt read above where I said I did call the vet. Please read those posts.

As for the urination, he has been doing this sence I bought him as a puppy at 8 weeks old, and it has actually gotten better as he aged. I brought that up to the vet when he was a puppy, and he said its very common and happenes when they are excited or stressed.

Why does a simple dog post have to turn into attacks and arguments. Do all posts on pricescope do this? I have been reading for a while and it is a concerning trend.

Yep, pretty much all of the posts on Pricescope tend to do this when an OP makes ridiculous claims and is completely dismissive to every response. The same thing tends to happen when the OP likes to play the victim.

But I bet most of your future posts will be ignored so you probably won't have to worry too much about attacks or arguments.

 

[whitby_2773]

rockhugger,

if you've been reading *my* posts for a while, then you'd know i'm the last person to attack a poster and am generally supportive of whatever a reasonable adult wants to do. if i cant be even *that* supportive, i tend to just shut up. given that i'm a child psychologist who has dealt with many kids with autism, various threads on child vaccination which i have NOT commented on more or less LEAP to mind as examples...

but dogs are different. they have no-one to speak on their behalf except their owners. or in this case, all the posters who encouraged you to take your dog to the vet. when you call a vet, you need to tell them accurately what the situation is. you said in your initial post that your dog was in a lot of pain. i dont know a vet on the planet who wouldn't say 'bring your dog in' if you told them that. the fact that you called the vet AFTER you deemed the pain to have begun to subside says to me that the vet never knew the full and immediate situation. no animal should be left in lots of pain and no vet would support that.

so yes, i read the post where you said you had called the vet. but if you read MY post you'll see i'm talking more generally at this point, as a change of behavior on your part going forward because in regards to physical injury and in regards to behavioral problems, the issue remains the same; you need to accept your own limitations and call in help more often and sooner.

rockhugger - i'm not going to post to this thread again, so feel free to have at it. this is my opinion and i wish your dog a speedy recovery.

but just to comment on the AC vinegar treatment...

i'm sure your vet did say to continue with it 'if you wished'. i'm sure if you'd said you were going to stand on your head while whistling dixie your vet would have said *that* was ok too, so long as it didn't hurt the animal. vets aren't monsters and in my experience take a 'live and let live' approach to their many and varied pet owners.

doesn't make it a cure for something which may have been (and may still be) nothing to do with a muscle or to which a traumatized muscle is only secondary.

i wish you and your household well.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 2/5/2010 5:41:36 PM
Author: RockHugger
HH, why do you post on my threads just to harrass me. Seriously. Its getting old.


ANYWAY, his limp is much better today. I think he is going to be just fine. Thats to everyone who gave me happy puppy wishes!

RH, I'm sorry if you feel attacked, if you re-read my posts directed at you in the Lancet thread you'd see that I've actually said some very kind things to you. My comment about the danger of your child being involved while you're treating the dog was a legitimate concern. Regardless of how loving our pets are most of the time you can never be sure of how they're going to react when put in pain. It can be a quick instinctive reaction that you don't see coming until it's too late and the damage is done.

ETA: I can't stand it anymore, the word is SINCE, not sence.

 

[waterlilly]

You posted that your dog's leg "hurt a ton" but YOU don't like to go to Dr.'s. How about you STOP BEING SO SELFISH and live YOUR life the way YOU want to and leave the innocent, helpless creatures out of your warped little world?

Not taking a pet to the vet when you know it is injured is ABUSE. Plain and simple.

Yes, HH is following your demented posts and responding JUST to harass you - not because you fully deserve the responses you are getting. No, not that.

Sorry, but most people on here are actually responsible, caring, rational adults and if you ask a question that has such a blaring and obvious answer - yet respond with posts brushing all those answers off with no good reason, don't expect anyone to respond favorably.

I might be starting to understand why you don't like going to Dr.'s...seems like you have a phobia of intelligent advice.

It's all making since to me now.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

I suspect the line about me was sarcastic...I hope so anyway!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/5/2010 6:50:37 PM
Author: RockHugger

I am sure you didnt read above where I said I did call the vet. Please read those posts.

As for the urination, he has been doing this sence I bought him as a puppy at 8 weeks old, and it has actually gotten better as he aged. I brought that up to the vet when he was a puppy, and he said its very common and happenes when they are excited or stressed.

Why does a simple dog post have to turn into attacks and arguments. Do all posts on pricescope do this? I have been reading for a while and it is a concerning trend.

You don''t read enough Pricescope then, if you really don''t know the answer. But yes, posts to you seem to turn that way because sane people can only handle so much. Colored stones, dogs, or whatever, you ask questions and then ignore, so what do you expect?

If you don''t like it, perhaps JustMommies is a more welcoming place for you? No one said you had to stay.

 

[junebug17]

The bottom line is a lot of people were turned off by the fact that you let your dog limp around in great pain for a few days. Very few agreed with your wait and see attitude, and you only called the vet after you were guilted into it. I think that's why most people who responded are annoyed with you. You should have brought your dog in for an x-ray. What did you expect anyone here to say? We are not vets, what advice could we possibly have given you on treating an injured dog? And fwiw, I think you made a mistake by examining/touching your dog. You have no training in treating animals. You could have hurt him even more. Or he could have attacked you or your child out of fear and pain. I hope your dog improves and feels better soon, because he's basically on his own. And if you're not able to deal with people's opinions, then don't ask for them.

 

[RockHugger]

I really do feel sorry for those of you with such anger in your hearts. I have read MANY posts and its the same thing time after time where people pick apart what is said, just to find a reason to attack. Time after time after time. Maybe I am from a different culture or upbringing, but I just dont understand the whole cut throat mentality. I know I could never live life taking offence to every little thing, and feeling the need to bring someone down. It would be absolutely exausting to the soul.
All in all, every nasty thing said to me makes me so thankful I am who I am, and for what I believe in. Seriously, thank you for reminding me of that (and I am not saying that sarcastically) and reminding me of how lucky I am to have a sence of peace in my life!

Good luck to you guys. May you be free from your anger someday and find peace.

And thank you to those who offered your kind thoughts w/o mean spirited comments. I apprecieate it!

 

[junebug17]

Date: 2/5/2010 11:21:50 PM
Author: RockHugger
I really do feel sorry for those of you with such anger in your hearts. I have read MANY posts and its the same thing time after time where people pick apart what is said, just to find a reason to attack. Time after time after time. Maybe I am from a different culture or upbringing, but I just dont understand the whole cut throat mentality. I know I could never live life taking offence to every little thing, and feeling the need to bring someone down. It would be absolutely exausting to the soul.

All in all, every nasty thing said to me makes me so thankful I am who I am, and for what I believe in. Seriously, thank you for reminding me of that (and I am not saying that sarcastically) and reminding me of how lucky I am to have a sence of peace in my life!


Good luck to you guys. May you be free from your anger someday and find peace.


And thank you to those who offered your kind thoughts w/o mean spirited comments. I apprecieate it!

Rockhugger, did you read my post? Can you get that some of us were upset by the fact you let your dog suffer for a few days, without knowing what was wrong, that he could have been seriously injured and you wouldn''t know it? The responses are based on what you wrote. If all you are looking for are kind thoughts, then don''t write posts asking for opinions. What is cut throat about any of the posts? The advice given was to take the dog to the vet, which you didn''t want to do.

 

[Brown.Eyed.Girl]

Annnnd "denial" is NOT just a river in Egypt. I''m glad you''re comfortable with being who you are - you do realize that the person you are, as far as WE on PS see it, is someone who has stood by while her dog is in pain, because SHE doesn''t feel comfortable going to a doctor? The person you are is someone who berates others for being close-minded, but apparently doesn''t seem to realize that she herself is just as close-minded to hearing other views?

I sincerely wish and hope your dog is ok and that he gets better soon. I very much hope that the days that you''ve just waited, not taking him to the vet despite his obvious pain, haven''t done anything to exacerbate any kind of injury he has. And honestly, I hope he never injures himself seriously enough to warrant going to a vet in the future, because it really seems like he''s completely SOL then.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 2/5/2010 11:32:07 PM
Author: Brown.Eyed.Girl
Annnnd 'denial' is NOT just a river in Egypt. I'm glad you're comfortable with being who you are - you do realize that the person you are, as far as WE on PS see it, is someone who has stood by while her dog is in pain, because SHE doesn't feel comfortable going to a doctor? The person you are is someone who berates others for being close-minded, but apparently doesn't seem to realize that she herself is just as close-minded to hearing other views?

I sincerely wish and hope your dog is ok and that he gets better soon. I very much hope that the days that you've just waited, not taking him to the vet despite his obvious pain, haven't done anything to exacerbate any kind of injury he has. And honestly, I hope he never injures himself seriously enough to warrant going to a vet in the future, because it really seems like he's completely SOL then.

Seriously.

And weren't you so annoyed by PSers that you were going to leave in December?

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/well-no-more-ebay-stones.131665/page-2

In all my years here, I believe I've never said anything directly about one's character (vs something she is doing) but I'll say it: I seriously think you are the most delusional person I have ever encountered on this forum. Your lack of responsibility for your dog, for society as well as your flabbergasting level of victim mentality is awesome.

You obviously know nothing about this forum and its good members. We can move on from disagreements about what makes a good colored stone. We probably get past differences in hot button topics about parenting. But when you leave an ANIMAL IN PAIN?

 

[monarch64]

Date: 2/5/2010 11:21:50 PM
Author: RockHugger
I really do feel sorry for those of you with such anger in your hearts. I have read MANY posts and its the same thing time after time where people pick apart what is said, just to find a reason to attack. Time after time after time. Maybe I am from a different culture or upbringing, but I just dont understand the whole cut throat mentality. I know I could never live life taking offence to every little thing, and feeling the need to bring someone down. It would be absolutely exausting to the soul.
All in all, every nasty thing said to me makes me so thankful I am who I am, and for what I believe in. Seriously, thank you for reminding me of that (and I am not saying that sarcastically) and reminding me of how lucky I am to have a sence of peace in my life!

Good luck to you guys. May you be free from your anger someday and find peace.

And thank you to those who offered your kind thoughts w/o mean spirited comments. I apprecieate it!

RH, I feel sorry for your dog. I have refrained from replying to this thread because others have already stated my thoughts. But my god, to let an animal lie there an suffer as you have is, I''m sorry, a crime. Not right.

 

[monarch64]

*shakes off* Can we find a way to bring this thread back to something positive? I really am worried about the basset hound and wonder if we can''t all find a positive in this? Common denominator? I hate to hear about an animal suffering, I hate to see a poster feeling attacked and I''d hate for the thread to get locked or trashed because we can''t agree.

 

[CNOS128]

Date: 2/6/2010 12:29:08 AM
Author: monarch64
*shakes off* Can we find a way to bring this thread back to something positive? I really am worried about the basset hound and wonder if we can''t all find a positive in this? Common denominator? I hate to hear about an animal suffering, I hate to see a poster feeling attacked and I''d hate for the thread to get locked or trashed because we can''t agree.

I think the positive here is that there are so many compassionate people on this forum that they are fighting as hard as they can, in any way they can, to try to show their compassion for this poor basset hound and try to get him to a vet. I don''t think their words come from spite or anger, but rather from frustration and a sense of powerlessness. Most of the posters in this forum care very deeply for both human and animal life, and never want to see any individual experience pain. And frankly, I think it''s wonderful that so many care so much about a dog they''ve never met, that they will bother to engage in such unpleasant discussions, in furtherance of getting help for this poor dog!

 

[monarch64]

Date: 2/6/2010 12:34:43 AM
Author: TheBigT

Date: 2/6/2010 12:29:08 AM
Author: monarch64
*shakes off* Can we find a way to bring this thread back to something positive? I really am worried about the basset hound and wonder if we can''t all find a positive in this? Common denominator? I hate to hear about an animal suffering, I hate to see a poster feeling attacked and I''d hate for the thread to get locked or trashed because we can''t agree.

I think the positive here is that there are so many compassionate people on this forum that they are fighting as hard as they can, in any way they can, to try to show their compassion for this poor basset hound and try to get him to a vet. I don''t think their words come from spite or anger, but rather from frustration and a sense of powerlessness. Most of the posters in this forum care very deeply for both human and animal life, and never want to see any individual experience pain. And frankly, I think it''s wonderful that so many care so much about a dog they''ve never met, that they will bother to engage in such unpleasant discussions, in furtherance of getting help for this poor dog!

*sigh of relief* Thank you, and ditto.

 

[doodle]

rockhugger, considering that you have a hound, I''m a bit surprised that your vet didn''t mention anything about a luxating patella. It''s a common condition among hounds and short-legged dogs where the groove in the knee joint is too shallow so the kneecap jumps out of place. When it does this, the dog''s leg usually comes off the ground and the animal limps, and the knee can''t right itself again until the quadriceps muscle relaxes and lengthens. For dogs with the condition, sometimes it''s as simple as "Dog runs. OUCH! Limp limp. Okay, I''m cool now." and sometimes, it can last for days. Being as you mentioned your dog is a bit high-strung what with the peeing and all, if he had the condition, I''m thinking it''d take him longer to relax the muscle and let his leg recover. Should something happen again with the limb, I seriously hope you''ll reconsider seeking a vet''s counsel. If it IS a luxating patella, depending on the severity, the vet would either tell you to monitor playtime so he''s less likely to stress it, or your dog may need a trochlear modification to deepen the groove in the femur because a severe problem with this affliction will only get increasingly painful for your pet as he ages, to the extent of being crippled if untreated. Only a vet and an x-ray could tell you for certain. Trying to feel the joint would be useless as you can''t detect the grooves in a femur, and if trying to assess it after it has luxated, all you would feel is the swollen quad muscle. Hope your basset is feeling much better, and in the future, please take your pup to a vet! I have doctor hatred issues myself what with the expense and the over-medicating and some of the other problems I see within healthcare, but medicating myself is easy. I KNOW what hurts, ya know? Your dog is totally different, and since he''s smaller, it doesn''t take nearly as much time for a minor problem to turn into major heartache.

 

[CasaBlanca]

Wow, doodle, what an informative specific post! I am impressed with all those technical words you used specific to the breed and the op''s inquiry.

A human doctor just deals with one species...but a vet has to know all species...and then break it down to breed/genetics. Sounds like you are may be in the practice of DVM?

This ps is a wellspring of information coming from alot of caring wise people.

Great contribution!

I applaud you Doodle!