that''s the problem with our welfare system,three generations on welfare.Date: 2/5/2009 6:09:16 PM
Author: elle_chris
Education, Storm. In NYC more than half the population on public assistance are young moms. When they come into the office and apply for funding, we should also have programs in place that teach them how to live with the money they receive. How do you give hundreds/thousands a month to a young person that''s never had much money and expect them to be responsible? That you really can''t afford to spend this money on keeping up with the joneses.
That you can feed a family of 6 a healthy meal on less than 30 bucks.
We have nothing in place now that teaches people life skills.
Most of the people (again this is in nyc) that are on Welfare today grew up being on it. Their moms, and grandmothers were on it. Their neighbors are on it. In their world, this is the norm. How do we break cycle after cycle of this?
Only education breaks these cycles.
If you''re going to put more money into the broken system, put it into that.
No easy answer. But I like your IdeasDate: 2/5/2009 8:13:29 PM
Author: luckystar112
There def needs to be something done about the multiple generations on welfare. Not sure how to fix it though....
Work/Voluteer and get more money?
Drop out of school/enter juvenile justice system and get less money?
Get cash incentives for each year your child stays in school? Perhaps with a 2 child limit per household?
IMO...one child limit til they get off of welfare.Date: 2/5/2009 8:13:29 PM
Author: luckystar112
There def needs to be something done about the multiple generations on welfare. Not sure how to fix it though....
Work/Voluteer and get more money?
Drop out of school/enter juvenile justice system and get less money?
Get cash incentives for each year your child stays in school? Perhaps with a 2 child limit per household?
testy already and its only page two! i have done a lot of reading on the topic and what''s more i used to be an eligibility worker......and i believe that claims of rampant abuse are false. yes, it exists, but i''m more concerned about the rampant fraud and abuse in our economic system a bit further up the ladder which is taking from us the taxpayers in the form of halliburton, blackwater, bofa, wall street, etc. welfare fraud is a pitance in comparison to white collar financial crime.Date: 2/5/2009 4:50:18 PM
Author: beebrisk
I would suggest Googling ''Food Stamp Abuse'', ''Food Stamp Fraud'' and ''Welfare Fraud'' to do your own research...I''m not in the mood to go link hunting at the moment. But actually, you don''t need to be an ''expert'' to know what''s going on. Just read the plethora of information out there.
Date: 2/5/2009 6:21:29 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 2/5/2009 6:09:16 PM
Author: elle_chris
Education, Storm. In NYC more than half the population on public assistance are young moms. When they come into the office and apply for funding, we should also have programs in place that teach them how to live with the money they receive. How do you give hundreds/thousands a month to a young person that''s never had much money and expect them to be responsible? That you really can''t afford to spend this money on keeping up with the joneses.Date: 2/5/2009 5:54:54 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 2/5/2009 5:33:23 PM
Author: Diamond Confused
As I said, I work in a place that caters to induviduals on welfare. I can assure you that most of them buy these things with their own money... I mean taxpayer money. I overhear their conversations all the time. They have no shame in admitting they are cheating the system.
Tell us how you would fix the system?
Complaining does not fix the problem just adds to it.
That you can feed a family of 6 a healthy meal on less than 30 bucks.
We have nothing in place now that teaches people life skills.
Most of the people (again this is in nyc) that are on Welfare today grew up being on it. Their moms, and grandmothers were on it. Their neighbors are on it. In their world, this is the norm. How do we break cycle after cycle of this?
Only education breaks these cycles.
If you''re going to put more money into the broken system, put it into that.
That is a good start.
Combined with time limits might help.
Nationwide the % that are on it long term are small, well below 90%.
My fix would be 6 months welfare which includes a mandatory health and mental health eval. Those that fail either are tracked into a long term program.
Everyone else moves on to a 1 year work and school program.
Require 30 hours a week school and work combined. If going for a degree it can be extended as long as they are in school and getting good grades.
Then a 1 year coverage for health care only.
Date: 2/5/2009 8:40:20 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
IMO...one child limit til they get off of welfare.Date: 2/5/2009 8:13:29 PM
Author: luckystar112
There def needs to be something done about the multiple generations on welfare. Not sure how to fix it though....
Work/Voluteer and get more money?
Drop out of school/enter juvenile justice system and get less money?
Get cash incentives for each year your child stays in school? Perhaps with a 2 child limit per household?
no way!! but just give me one good reason why should my taxes go to support a welfare recipient with 1/2 dozen kidsDate: 2/6/2009 10:06:55 AM
Author: swimmer
Date: 2/5/2009 8:40:20 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
IMO...one child limit til they get off of welfare.Date: 2/5/2009 8:13:29 PM
Author: luckystar112
There def needs to be something done about the multiple generations on welfare. Not sure how to fix it though....
Work/Voluteer and get more money?
Drop out of school/enter juvenile justice system and get less money?
Get cash incentives for each year your child stays in school? Perhaps with a 2 child limit per household?
Kind of like the PRC eh DancingFire? Are you secretly a commie?
on thee other hand if WM pay their employees $20 an hr then the consumer pays through their wallet.Date: 2/6/2009 8:32:25 PM
Author: swimmer
It is hard to both want the govt to ''hands off my $$$$$$$'' and yet want them to force sterilization (how to keep people from reproducing?) on poor people.
Working at WalMart full time still qualifies a single parent for welfare and many two parent homes as some stores are not allowed to ''fully employ'' people -not give enough hours or not pay for all hours worked. WalMart employees get more than $200 million in food stamps, WIC, etc. because they are paid so very very little. WalMart costs the entire US more than 1,250,000,000.00 a year because they do not pay decent wages and we as taxpayers have to subsidize. WalMart does not allow their workers to organize or unionize, what kind of minimum wage jobs are available in your community?
Date: 2/6/2009 10:42:30 PM
Author: packrat
Or just MAYBE, some people really shouldn't make 100 million dollars a year for being a CEO of a company, while paying their people minimum wage, and sending out a memo to their employees that there will be no raise this year b/c of slacking sales..meanwhile that person takes home a 4 million dollar bonus for the year.
Date: 2/8/2009 9:21:15 AM
Author: AGBF
Date: 2/6/2009 10:42:30 PM
Author: packrat
Or just MAYBE, some people really shouldn''t make 100 million dollars a year for being a CEO of a company, while paying their people minimum wage, and sending out a memo to their employees that there will be no raise this year b/c of slacking sales..meanwhile that person takes home a 4 million dollar bonus for the year.
packrat, I just saw this. I think we are both women. Does that matter to you? Will you marry me? (By the way, I am already married and encumbered by having a 16 year-old daughter with serious emotional problems. If I didn''t have that I would pursue you. At least if I were male and you were free and willing!)
Hugs,
Deb
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Date: 2/8/2009 9:31:17 AM
Author: AllieGator
Date: 2/8/2009 9:21:15 AM
Author: AGBF
Date: 2/6/2009 10:42:30 PM
Author: packrat
Or just MAYBE, some people really shouldn''t make 100 million dollars a year for being a CEO of a company, while paying their people minimum wage, and sending out a memo to their employees that there will be no raise this year b/c of slacking sales..meanwhile that person takes home a 4 million dollar bonus for the year.
packrat, I just saw this. I think we are both women. Does that matter to you? Will you marry me? (By the way, I am already married and encumbered by having a 16 year-old daughter with serious emotional problems. If I didn''t have that I would pursue you. At least if I were male and you were free and willing!)
Hugs,
Deb
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I agree with AGBF...you said what needed to be said! Go you!