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Finally a diamond safari with no worry about light performance. :lol:
 
Wantooplay|1380864172|3531940 said:
Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the replies; I had no clue that black diamonds were looked down upon. I guess that's why they are so cheap LOL.

So I guess I have to figure something else out.

For the person that was asking if she asked for a black diamond, or if I was just taking stab at it: She asked for it. Says she loves them, they are unique, and no one else has them. She's always been one to go against the norm and trend.

That being said, I would rather buy her a candy sucker ring before I put something trashy/cheap on her hand. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need to find a different color to go with.
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There is no reason whatever why you shouldn't give your GF the black diamond ring she has asked you for. If you were thinking of getting your GF a black diamond as a surprise, not knowing how she would feel about it, we'd probably suggest that you re-think your strategy. But your GF knows she wants a black diamond, so why not get her what she wants? The fact that a black diamond would cost less than a comparably sized colorless stone merely means that you can get her a bigger stone, and that you have more to spend on a spectacular setting. It's all good!
 
VRBeauty|1380872112|3531978 said:
Wantooplay|1380864172|3531940 said:
Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the replies; I had no clue that black diamonds were looked down upon. I guess that's why they are so cheap LOL.

So I guess I have to figure something else out.

For the person that was asking if she asked for a black diamond, or if I was just taking stab at it: She asked for it. Says she loves them, they are unique, and no one else has them. She's always been one to go against the norm and trend.

That being said, I would rather buy her a candy sucker ring before I put something trashy/cheap on her hand. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need to find a different color to go with.
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There is no reason whatever why you shouldn't give your GF the black diamond ring she has asked you for. If you were thinking of getting your GF a black diamond as a surprise, not knowing how she would feel about it, we'd probably suggest that you re-think your strategy. But your GF knows she wants a black diamond, so why not get her what she wants? The fact that a black diamond would cost less than a comparably sized colorless stone merely means that you can get her a bigger stone, and that you have more to spend on a spectacular setting. It's all good!
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+1.

It sounds like she thinks for herself as opposed to going with the crowd.
If she has a thick skin and is very self-confident she will not be bothered by negative comments.
If you feel she will be bothered then perhaps pick another color.
FCDs are very different from the common white diamond.
I think only Yellows have made inroads as engagement diamonds.

If you decide to get a Fancy colored diamond price varies with color.
$50K will get you a Fancy Red diamond of only around 0.15 carat, but will get you a 4 ct Fancy Yellow or a 3 ct Fancy Intense Yellow.
Shopping FCDs is complex so take your time and learn much.
Do searches for FCD threads here on Rocky Talk and also on Pricescope's Colored Stones forum.

Here is a list of the hues in a VERY approximate ascending order of price for the pure unmodified hues.
If you search around the Internet you'll find many lists with different orders, but generally the hue positions here are consistent plus or minus one or two positions.
FCDs are rare so data is scarce, especially on pure hues near the bottom of the list.

Black
Brown - aka champagne, cognac, chocolate
Yellow
Gray
Chameleon - dark greens with modifying hues. They change hue with light and temperature
Purple
Pink
Blue
Orange
Violet
Green
Red

FCD price comparisons are difficult since each GIA color grade include hues that range a great deal, from less to more attractive.

Secondary modifying hues can increase or decrease the price compared with a stone of one pure hue.
Generally a modifier at the top of the list lowers the price and a modifier near the bottom of the list increases the price.
 
kenny|1380873540|3531980 said:
VRBeauty|1380872112|3531978 said:
Wantooplay|1380864172|3531940 said:
Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the replies; I had no clue that black diamonds were looked down upon. I guess that's why they are so cheap LOL.

So I guess I have to figure something else out.

For the person that was asking if she asked for a black diamond, or if I was just taking stab at it: She asked for it. Says she loves them, they are unique, and no one else has them. She's always been one to go against the norm and trend.

That being said, I would rather buy her a candy sucker ring before I put something trashy/cheap on her hand. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need to find a different color to go with.
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There is no reason whatever why you shouldn't give your GF the black diamond ring she has asked you for. If you were thinking of getting your GF a black diamond as a surprise, not knowing how she would feel about it, we'd probably suggest that you re-think your strategy. But your GF knows she wants a black diamond, so why not get her what she wants? The fact that a black diamond would cost less than a comparably sized colorless stone merely means that you can get her a bigger stone, and that you have more to spend on a spectacular setting. It's all good!
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+1.

It sounds like she thinks for herself as opposed to going with the crowd.
If she has a thick skin and is very self-confident she will not be bothered by negative comments.
If you feel she will be bothered then perhaps pick another color.
FCDs are very different from the common white diamond.
I think only Yellows have made inroads as engagement diamonds.

If you decide to get a Fancy colored diamond $50K will only get you a Fancy Red diamond of around 0.15 carat, but will get you a huge Yellow diamond.
Shopping FCDs is complex so take your time and learn much.
Do searches here on Rocky Talk and also on Pricescope's Colored Stones forum for FCD threads.

Here is a list of the hues in a VERY approximate ascending order of price for the pure unmodified hues.
If you search around the Internet you'll find many lists with different orders, but generally the hue positions are pretty much in there.
FCDs are rare so data is scarce, especially on the hues near the bottom of the list.

Black
Brown
Yellow
Gray
Chameleon - dark greens with modifying hues that change hue with light and temperature
Purple
Pink
Blue
Orange
Violet
Green
Red

Secondary modifying hues can increase or decrease the price compared with a stone of one pure hue.
Generally a modifier at the top of the list lowers the price and a modifier near the bottom of the list increases the price.
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Uh. This one gets a "no" from me.

Most women do think for themselves and have the capacity to decide what they do and do not like - whether it be the norm or not.

Negative comments. I don't know how often this will happen in your circle but I truly hope this will not be an issue. If she truly loves the ring, she won't care what others think/say, as most women realise that all people are different and have different likes/dislikes.

As for the OP deciding whether his partner will be bothered or not. Only she can truly do this, no?!

I still stick with getting your partner what she wants. If she loves it, she'll rock it and nothing will burst her bubble (especially mean-spirited/rude/jealous/tactless/inconsiderate....need I go on.....people that have the gall to make negative comments) :appl:
 
kenny|1380871918|3531976 said:
Finally a diamond safari with no worry about light performance. :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol: That totally cracked me up. I don't think I have ever searched for a stone without looking at the performance. Still there are masses of badly cut black diamonds out there as well!!!! Make sure you go with a decent looking one. I'm also going to take a wild stab here and say that a girl that is into black coloured diamonds probably will not be that into getting a pink one. A yellow or a green or a blue maybe but I am not so sure about pink....

A rose cut or a decent round cut black diamond in either a really well done white halo or one with something totally out there like French Cut sizes would look amazing, or you could do a three stone, so imagine a largish black diamond in the centre and two round or pear shaped diamonds on either side.... the possibilities don't have to look cheap at all!!!!! I saw an amazing ring on ebay a while ago with a large white stone in a black metal and black diamond halo - it really looked unique and amazing as well.... Here is another one that isn't as nice but you can see the idea;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5eCYqDzVM4
 
Here are just some ideas:

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/...ssanite-center-stone-eternity-collection.html

http://www.weddingchicks.com/2011/10/06/black-diamond-engagement-rings/

http://www.ice.com/gemstone-ring-pr...CWE&siteID=KQCdTVtmCWE-EotW1j89rjPBqZz0CD7XiA

I think rose or yellow gold makes them look more luxurious but I don't know if she likes rose/yellow. I totally "get" where she's coming from. I wear a dark bloodstone and all sorts of weird jewellery because I'm not a huge fan of pastels.

I like the idea of blue or green. I am considering a brown one as well which looks lovely. The grey is fab too.

Mark Broumand makes beautiful pieces and he has a few rings (under right hand rings) where he uses black diamonds.

http://www.markbroumand.com/right-hand-diamond-rings-custom/?page=3

His detailing is exceptional and I suspect he could make something quite beautiful and feminine but still rock and roll.
 
I forgot to add there are a few genuine art deco rings with black halos as well and they are AMAZING pieces like this one;

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Mark Broumand is a great suggestion he is a really decent vendor as well!!!!
 
arkieb1|1380877262|3531987 said:
I forgot to add there are a few genuine art deco rings with black halos as well and they are AMAZING pieces like this one;

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Mark Broumand is a great suggestion he is a really decent vendor as well!!!!
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That is a total stunner!!!

I could see an MB piece with a white diamond in the middle and a black halo and pave shank. Or, how about a black diamond in the centre with an awesome MB engraved cup (given that light return is a bit of a non-issue) in high polish white gold. White halo and black and white pave shank. Nice. I also like his black diamond and yellow if she likes something with a little colour. If you look in his pendants he has quite a few large black diamonds. They look quite pretty.
 
I'm by no means an expert but here is what I'd suggest. If you are open enough to have discussed engagement rings, then sit down and tell her you are educating yourself and ask if she knew there were all sorts of colors of diamonds, not just white and black. I'd suggest looking because some of those other colors are out of the box too. If she knew as much about diamonds as you did before coming here, this may be an eye opening experience for her. You don't need to be judgmental about the black stones, just show her options. Maybe a grey stone is really what she wanted but didn't know existed. If after that conversation, she still wants black, then get the woman what she wants.

For band color, I'm not sure she asked for black or not. I'd be brutally honest. If the experts here are right that she'd have to have it plated every 6 months, that may not be attractive to her. To me that means every 6 months the ring will look a little sketchy and then will be gone while plated. I'd say no thanks, but maybe she's open to that.

If you end up with a black stone, then maybe FCD as the two side stones? That could eat up your budget and look really unique. Sides of darker blue or purple would stick with the dark theme but add some sparkle without adding white.

Just saying, don't assume she knows this stuff, you didn't.
 
If she wants black I'd definitely get her that!!! I think a black Ering would be absolutely amazing if done right. I love Leon Megé's work with coloured stones and think he would come up with an absolutely fabulous design for a black diamond, especially with your fantastic budget :love: I would def consider contacting him.
Here are some rings I have been admiring of his, not black but think would look fab with black stone.


I also think these styles would look great with black


But I also agree with Trudii, see is black what she really wants. Good luck in your decision, really looking forward to what you come up with

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Wantooplay|1380864172|3531940 said:
Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the replies; I had no clue that black diamonds were looked down upon. I guess that's why they are so cheap LOL.

So I guess I have to figure something else out.

For the person that was asking if she asked for a black diamond, or if I was just taking stab at it: She asked for it. Says she loves them, they are unique, and no one else has them. She's always been one to go against the norm and trend.

That being said, I would rather buy her a candy sucker ring before I put something trashy/cheap on her hand. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need to find a different color to go with.

Can anyone show photos of really nice unique engagement rings? I want it to be classy, but also something that is different than the normal Tiffany's ring that every woman has.

I like the square and princess cut diamonds, I also like the 3 square ones, or even 1 diamond stone + small diamonds on the band. I'm open to anything, just trying to figure out where and what to get her.

I've gone to a few stores and nothing has really appealed much to me.
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DONT! get dont get down on black diamonds just because a few people here dont think they are good e rings. WE dont know you. What do you care if WE think.

With that said, will some people look down on a black diamond ring? maybe. So if YOU care about that, it s worth considering.

Honestly there are a MILLION ways to get a unique engagement ring that people dont usually see.

A ruby would be a stunner, A lots of color sapphire... other colored stones you dont see often, like grey, that many have mentioned....

the world has a MILLION possibilities, and NON of them have to look like a "boring tiffany diamond"...

I agree if she isnt much into jewelry and all she knows its "white or black" diamonds, get her involved. have her look at green diamonds, or pad sapphires, or ALEXANDRITE! really the possibilities are endless (though sense youre asking for ideas of unique engagement rings, I think an alexandrite would be the most amazingly unique envy inducing ring ever!)

http://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/engagement-rings/312ct-alexandrite-diamond-platinum-ring/id-j_95807/ ( i feel like you could find a better color change, but you get the idea)


but again, get her what she wants, and if after getting AALLLL the info, she wants a black diamond, get her one
 
Why specifically black diamonds? There are other coloured diamonds that stand out as being different. They don't sparkle (it shows iridescence like a black pearl) and are not see-through which is another reason why black diamonds are not popular. Has she seen black diamonds in person? Is she open to other types of rarer and less commonly seen stones? There's alexandrite (colour changes from slightly bluish green to purplish red) and chrysoberyl (greenish yellow) which are hardly enough for 24/7 wear. Sapphires come in more than blue.

I only bring this up to make sure that she is aware that there are other options.
 
I remember reading a post years ago from a jeweller who was making his wife a black diamond ring. I remember
he said that good black diamonds were actually transparent, you can see into them and are really brown and not black.
I know nothing about colored diamonds but remember that sticking in my memory. Can't remember the jewellers name though. The diamond was a lot more expensive than a solid black diamond if I remember too.
 
Pyramid|1380921480|3532369 said:
he said that good black diamonds were actually transparent, you can see into them and are really brown and not black.
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Yeah, it probably depends on the particular black diamond, and how bright the light behind it is.
Many opaque things just need a brighter light to not be opaque.
 
I agree that the third posted by Scarlett would look marvelous with black or grey!
 
Ok, if I wear you, I'd ask Leon Mege to do his absolute worst (i.e., best and most expensive) with a fancy black or gray (not the onyxy looking stuff) diamond. Omg. That would be HOT.

OR

I'd find out if she's specifically into black diamond or just into different. If that latter... well, the options are endless.
 
Acinom|1380871094|3531973 said:
me&myboys|1380869863|3531966 said:
cygnet|1380867738|3531959 said:
Wantooplay|1380864172|3531940 said:
Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the replies; I had no clue that black diamonds were looked down upon. I guess that's why they are so cheap LOL.

So I guess I have to figure something else out.

For the person that was asking if she asked for a black diamond, or if I was just taking stab at it: She asked for it. Says she loves them, they are unique, and no one else has them. She's always been one to go against the norm and trend.

That being said, I would rather buy her a candy sucker ring before I put something trashy/cheap on her hand. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need to find a different color to go with.

Can anyone show photos of really nice unique engagement rings? I want it to be classy, but also something that is different than the normal Tiffany's ring that every woman has.

I like the square and princess cut diamonds, I also like the 3 square ones, or even 1 diamond stone + small diamonds on the band. I'm open to anything, just trying to figure out where and what to get her.

I've gone to a few stores and nothing has really appealed much to me.
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Black diamonds are not inherently trashy, ugly, or lesser than stones of another color. It's just that a nice black diamond isn't going to eat up much of your budget. If she wants a black diamond, I see no reason not to buy her one just because they aren't expensive enough.
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:appl: :appl: This!!!!!! :appl: :appl:

PSers generally "jump" at partners that knowingly go against their partners wishes. I do not see how this is any different!!!! If she loves black diamonds and has asked for one, I do not understand why you would not want to purchase the most beautiful you could find. Perhaps I'm missing something, I do not know :confused:

How much you spend isn't an indication of how much you love a person, right?!....well I hope most people believe this to be true.

I, personally :love: this:
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I completely agree. If she truly loves a black diamond, then buy her the most stunning ring you can find. And... Save some money to buy a beautiful Christmas or birthday present as well (a watch? Black diamond earrings?). You can also save the money for a future upgrade.

You can have a top jeweller like Steven Kirsch or Victor Canera make a handforged ring for her and it will be stunning!!! The fact that most people do not prefer a black diamond did not stop her from asking for one. On the contrary!!!
She is not a classic Tiffany type of girl, so don't even go there. What kind of style does she have. Modern or 'classic with a twist'?
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See, that's what I was going to say, only acinom said it better !
Maybe get a ring like that, perhaps with some gorgeous matching earrings
for the wedding, made by the same craftsman.
save the rest of the money, and somewhere down the road go for a
beautiful anniversary ring or an "upgrade" if she decides on something different in future....
The black diamond ring will ALWAYS be unique and different,
and look amazing as a RHR some day...
 
WOW I didn't even notice this had gotten onto the second page already !!!

This is one I like best of the "Black" examples....


then another from JBEG site, not exactly what you were going for, but I think it is a stunning ring...



And then, not black, but nevertheless my favorite ERings *(and photos) on this site.... gorgeous Sapphire.... :love:

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I think some of us were trying to steer him away from black diamonds because he was planning a budget of $50k. If he said his budget was $5-10k, then I would have gone along with the black diamond idea much more easily. If you think a black diamond is the only thing that will make her happy, then by all means go right ahead. Just buy her a nice watch or something as a wedding gift as someone else suggested.

I highly recommend Victor Canera and here are some non-traditional engagement rings that he has made. There are people who do prefer something other than a colorless diamond engagement ring.

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/engagement-rings/the-alexia-halo-trilogy

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/engagement-rings/fancy-yellow-in-halo-vintage-ring

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/engagement-rings/emerald-cut-sapphire-and-trapezoid-trilogy

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/engagement-rings/three-stone-cushion-and-trapezoid-trilogy

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/right-hand-rings/2ct-fancy-yellow-oval-halo-solitaire
 
Something that I think would be really fun and gorgeous would be to take one of these greyish diamonds and put it in a black diamond halo and plate the piece in black rhodium. Mmmm so pretty. I really like the 2.26 radiant in particular. Then you'd get the edginess of black diamonds, but the center stone wouldn't have to be opaque.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/brown/cushion-cut/3.01-carat-si2-clarity-sku-225124

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/brown/radiant-cut/2.26-carat-si1-clarity-sku-225691

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/brown/round-cut/2.03-carat-si2-clarity-sku-225792
 
Maybe because I own mostly cheap fashion jewelry but black diamonds always look cheap to me. Some people became interested in them as erings after the last Sex and the City movie I think?

The grey/smokey color with solid black halo sounds gorgeous and eye catching. Definitely unique! Visually the solid black color looks very heavy, so I would recommend a longer stone like an emerald or marquise shape if you go for that opacity.
 
CopperTop|1381035445|3532968 said:
Maybe because I own mostly cheap fashion jewelry but black diamonds always look cheap to me. Some people became interested in them as erings after the last Sex and the City movie I think?

The grey/smokey color with solid black halo sounds gorgeous and eye catching. Definitely unique! Visually the solid black color looks very heavy, so I would recommend a longer stone like an emerald or marquise shape if you go for that opacity.
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Oh how cool would a. Grey marquise diamond be with either a black halo and pave sides OE just a Blake lively style 3 row pave.


It would probably take a while to find a 45k dark grey marquise (like the IF pear posted). But if you could it would be a showstopper. And I DO think dark Frey with black pave counts as a black ring. And that way you get sparkle! And no one would say its trashy.
 
Niel said:
Oh how cool would a. Grey marquise diamond be with either a black halo and pave sides OE just a Blake lively style 3 row pave.


It would probably take a while to find a 45k dark grey marquise (like the IF pear posted). But if you could it would be a showstopper. And I DO think dark Frey with black pave counts as a black ring. And that way you get sparkle! And no one would say its trashy.
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I don't think it would be trashy either way. There's nothing trashy about black diamonds in the first place. I think some of these comments from PSers are more judgmental than comments this woman would get in real life about her ring. :nono:
 
Wow I did not say or mean trashy. Ouch!

I think this giant emerald shape with a gray halo would be a knockout! The contrasting opacity between solid and clear stones elevates the design in my eyes.

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Arkieb1 OMG that art deco bezel works with any halo!
 
CopperTop|1381074165|3533120 said:
Wow I did not say or mean trashy. Ouch!

I think this giant emerald shape with a gray halo would be a knockout! The contrasting opacity between solid and clear stones elevates the design in my eyes.

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Arkieb1 OMG that art deco bezel works with any halo!
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No! i dont think anyone meant you, theres just a few posts in the beginning that make it sound a little like people think that, then the OP wa concerned people would think that... the comment im sure wasnt directed at you
 
I agree that as per some other threads, people have really been a little derogatory here. It's so unnecessary. :(

I completely understand wanting something different. There are so many similar styles out there these days that changing the centre stone/colouring may be the only way to get something a little quirky. We don't all want Blake Lively's style. Now her husband on the other hand... ;)

I just found this:

http://www.mkhordipour.com/estate/rings/engagement-rings/3ct-antique-emerald-cut-diamond-ring.html

Admittedly, not a black diamond but a stunner of a ring like the one posted above. I would keel over if my husband brought this home. Then I'd berate him and make him take it back (maybe in a day or two) because we ain't got that to spend on a ring. But if we did.... something like this would be a stunning choice. :D It's rock and roll and cool and edgy but still feminine.
 
cygnet said:
Something that I think would be really fun and gorgeous would be to take one of these greyish diamonds and put it in a black diamond halo and plate the piece in black rhodium. Mmmm so pretty. I really like the 2.26 radiant in particular. Then you'd get the edginess of black diamonds, but the center stone wouldn't have to be opaque.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/brown/cushion-cut/3.01-carat-si2-clarity-sku-225124

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/brown/radiant-cut/2.26-carat-si1-clarity-sku-225691

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/brown/round-cut/2.03-carat-si2-clarity-sku-225792
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