Looking for a jeweler to replicate this Ritani Ring
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My jeweler is looking into making me an endless love style pendant for my old .54 pear shaped stone. We''re still waiting for a price from him as well as trying to decide if we want diamonds or sapphires around the edge. I''ll post a picture if we decide to go that route. He didn''t seem to think it would be hard to make.
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Hi Richard:
I just received the ring you did for me (the bezel/pave) with plain shank for Christmas and I just want to say THANK YOU!!! I absolutely adore it, have referred several people who have stopped me to ask about my ring to you (local and out of state!). Though my diamond is fairly small it is absolutely on fire in this setting and I think that, contrary to the warnings some gave me, that it really makes the stone look much larger than the solitaire setting it was in. I love the antique milgrain look and several people have already asked me if it is antique WHICH I LOVE to tell them it is BRAND NEW!!! Thanks again, you made my new year! Liz
I just received the ring you did for me (the bezel/pave) with plain shank for Christmas and I just want to say THANK YOU!!! I absolutely adore it, have referred several people who have stopped me to ask about my ring to you (local and out of state!). Though my diamond is fairly small it is absolutely on fire in this setting and I think that, contrary to the warnings some gave me, that it really makes the stone look much larger than the solitaire setting it was in. I love the antique milgrain look and several people have already asked me if it is antique WHICH I LOVE to tell them it is BRAND NEW!!! Thanks again, you made my new year! Liz
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slojave,
There are a number of stock castings available that look very much like this. Here''s a link to one casting house that sells rough castings:
http://www.adwar.com/products/catalog18/page1082/index.html
These castings are rough and have not been worked on at all. Any jeweler can buy from these folks, finish the casting and set the stones. The costs to do this are quite a bit less than having a piece custom made.
There are a number of stock castings available that look very much like this. Here''s a link to one casting house that sells rough castings:
http://www.adwar.com/products/catalog18/page1082/index.html
These castings are rough and have not been worked on at all. Any jeweler can buy from these folks, finish the casting and set the stones. The costs to do this are quite a bit less than having a piece custom made.
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Has anyone checked out these yummy Ritani style settings at DCD?
http://www.dirtcheapdiamonds.com/engagement-detail.cfm?did=E1
http://www.dirtcheapdiamonds.com/engagement-detail.cfm?did=E1
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Blueroses,
For some reason when I tried to get the entire page to come up with all of the settings, I just got the engagement ring main page. You have to do a drop down box under settings and then click on the Meno rings icon to see all of them. They are absolutely gorgeous and they have a style for every shape diamond.
For some reason when I tried to get the entire page to come up with all of the settings, I just got the engagement ring main page. You have to do a drop down box under settings and then click on the Meno rings icon to see all of them. They are absolutely gorgeous and they have a style for every shape diamond.
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Hi,
It is not cool to "replicate", or "imitate" designs. If you want to make a certain design, I think it will be better to buy the real thing, or buy another design altogether. If the budget is too high for you, then perhaps you might want to re-assess your design requirements or downgrade them.
In case you are not clear on the moral/legal issues of copying another design, please check out this discussion at https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/poll-is-it-ethical-do-you-feel-comfortable-having-a-jeweler-recreate-a-ring-you-like-but-cant-aff.17408/.
See CaptAubrey post: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/poll-is-it-ethical-do-you-feel-comfortable-having-a-jeweler-recreate-a-ring-you-like-but-cant-aff.17408/page-2
it''s not ethical to steal someone else''s ideas no matter how you rationalize it.
everyone has a price tag on their ethics. for some, it''s the $18 they save on a pirated cd; for others it''s the $2000 they save on a setting. but at least be honest enough to admit what you''re doing. that money you''ve saved is money you''ve stolen from the person who owns the idea.
that said, most jewelry is not protected by copyright because you need a certain level of originality to qualify for copyright protection. it has to be a distinctive and original design--the average diamond setting isn''t going to be enough. but it''s also incorrect to say that it''s not protected unless registered. if it qualifies for copyright protection, the protection exists at the moment of creation. and if you commission a close copy, you and the jeweler are guilty of infringement.
Stephen Tan
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It is not cool to "replicate", or "imitate" designs. If you want to make a certain design, I think it will be better to buy the real thing, or buy another design altogether. If the budget is too high for you, then perhaps you might want to re-assess your design requirements or downgrade them.
In case you are not clear on the moral/legal issues of copying another design, please check out this discussion at https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/poll-is-it-ethical-do-you-feel-comfortable-having-a-jeweler-recreate-a-ring-you-like-but-cant-aff.17408/.
See CaptAubrey post: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/poll-is-it-ethical-do-you-feel-comfortable-having-a-jeweler-recreate-a-ring-you-like-but-cant-aff.17408/page-2
it''s not ethical to steal someone else''s ideas no matter how you rationalize it.
everyone has a price tag on their ethics. for some, it''s the $18 they save on a pirated cd; for others it''s the $2000 they save on a setting. but at least be honest enough to admit what you''re doing. that money you''ve saved is money you''ve stolen from the person who owns the idea.
that said, most jewelry is not protected by copyright because you need a certain level of originality to qualify for copyright protection. it has to be a distinctive and original design--the average diamond setting isn''t going to be enough. but it''s also incorrect to say that it''s not protected unless registered. if it qualifies for copyright protection, the protection exists at the moment of creation. and if you commission a close copy, you and the jeweler are guilty of infringement.
Stephen Tan
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I agree with getting the real thing. i have a ritani endless love 3 stone that i ADORE. i did look at less expensive versions and there really was no comparison. the detail of the ritani is incredible and the cut of their stones is excellent. i receive so many compliments on the setting and the brilliance of the diamonds everyday.
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I really disagree with this "get the real thing idea!"
Who is to say what the real thing is, it's not like ritani's halo endless love setting is a new idea. People have been making settings like this since the 30s, at least. You can't copyright or patent an idea that has been around that long. You could patent a technique, forinstance a new way of setting diamonds, but it's hard to do this.
It's very hard to have a "new" idea.
Let people be, and find a setting that suits them financially as well as aesthetically. It's not like it's going to hurt these high end designers like Michael B. and Ritani; there will always be people who are going to want the designer name. There is plenty of work to go around, in the High end and Low end of the market. Plus, we do need to support our local artisans!
Legally, if you make just some minor changes to a design you're not infringing on a "copyright or patent", because it's different! So many people want minor adjustments, to customize it, no setting is one size fits all. (For instance Treysar's amazing ring vs. Ritani's Endless love.)
Just my .02
Who is to say what the real thing is, it's not like ritani's halo endless love setting is a new idea. People have been making settings like this since the 30s, at least. You can't copyright or patent an idea that has been around that long. You could patent a technique, forinstance a new way of setting diamonds, but it's hard to do this.
It's very hard to have a "new" idea.
Let people be, and find a setting that suits them financially as well as aesthetically. It's not like it's going to hurt these high end designers like Michael B. and Ritani; there will always be people who are going to want the designer name. There is plenty of work to go around, in the High end and Low end of the market. Plus, we do need to support our local artisans!
Legally, if you make just some minor changes to a design you're not infringing on a "copyright or patent", because it's different! So many people want minor adjustments, to customize it, no setting is one size fits all. (For instance Treysar's amazing ring vs. Ritani's Endless love.)
Just my .02
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Oh this is nonsense. Reassessing one''s design requirements? Downgrade?
If slojave wants a replica made of the Ritani ring than all power to him/her!!! Hope you post your ring when it''s done
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i was waiting for starfire to say something...never speaks up unless it's about replicatiing a ring...blah blah...get over it!!
geez, like Campbell said, this design, as well as others, have been around for awhile. if someone wants to "replicate" or whatever you want to call it, a ring, like MC said, more power to them!
hls2: your ring is beautiful!
hls2: your ring is beautiful!
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kberly I just noticed your awesome avatar with the bunny eating the diamond. VERY COOL!
replicating designs that are truly unique is pretty hard...i would imagine it would be very difficult to replicate mark morrell's perfect little heart shaped prongs or the unique lines of his smooth pieces, you can spot his creations vs others...same with leon mege etc.
however, as others have noted, there are more common designs that not any one designer has the right to claim or copyright...aka bezel shaped pave or even the eternity ring styles...they have been around for so long, some even turn of the century--and there is no real claim to who created that style first.
designers can always make more common or popular designs unique by adding those touches ala mark or leon and that is always why some people will pay for the name and/or that design brand and small touches, while others who do have tight budgets may opt for something just as beautiful in a different way or with less of that fine detail.
to me every ring and design is unique, even if one starts off with 'i'd like to replicate this ring'...the best part about going custom is that you can modify all the things that irritate you with one particular design, and truly make it your own in the end. to this day i have only ever seen one ring set that was truly like mine, and the head was different...so it looked like an entirely different piece. again...unique.
replicating designs that are truly unique is pretty hard...i would imagine it would be very difficult to replicate mark morrell's perfect little heart shaped prongs or the unique lines of his smooth pieces, you can spot his creations vs others...same with leon mege etc.
however, as others have noted, there are more common designs that not any one designer has the right to claim or copyright...aka bezel shaped pave or even the eternity ring styles...they have been around for so long, some even turn of the century--and there is no real claim to who created that style first.
designers can always make more common or popular designs unique by adding those touches ala mark or leon and that is always why some people will pay for the name and/or that design brand and small touches, while others who do have tight budgets may opt for something just as beautiful in a different way or with less of that fine detail.
to me every ring and design is unique, even if one starts off with 'i'd like to replicate this ring'...the best part about going custom is that you can modify all the things that irritate you with one particular design, and truly make it your own in the end. to this day i have only ever seen one ring set that was truly like mine, and the head was different...so it looked like an entirely different piece. again...unique.
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Date: 2/19/2005 1:38:11 AM
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i was waiting for starfire to say something...never speaks up unless it's about replicatiing a ring...blah blah...get over it!!geez, like Campbell said, this design, as well as others, have been around for awhile. if someone wants to 'replicate' or whatever you want to call it, a ring, like MC said, more power to them!
hls2: your ring is beautiful!
I realized that there are 2 different types of consumers in pricescope; those in search of information about diamonds and who appreciate beauty and design and intellectual property, and those who don't appreciate the hard work associated with coming up with unique designs and who freeload and steal ideas on the cheap (in the name of saving money).
I guess you have already made your stand on which type you are, and I respect that... (No need to get all fired up, I am just inferring based on your previous response)
You either live by some principles, or you choose to live without them. It is your choice, and your sense of self-esteem. Either way, it doesn't bother me.
I am not anal about making a ring, which is inspired by a certain design. This means that you may wish to custom-make a ring, making alterations from an existing design. That's fine.
But making a flat-out imitation of an existing ring, unless it is a hugely common design like a 4- or 6- prong basic ring, is just not cool.
Clearly, you have only searched pricescope for my comments about "replicating rings". As I recall, I contributed comments on other issues, but I suppose your gratuitous comment served no purpose other than to fill bandwidth.
If you are too cheap to appreciate good design and to pay for it, that's too bad. There is no need to rationalize it and put a positive spin on what it really is. There *are* people who do appreciate good design, and who do not mind paying a reasonable amount of money for the original.
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lol that's why Mark Morrell is making my ring right now
last time i checked he was a CUSTOM maker of jewelry, I gave him my ideas that I liked from HIS work to make MY OWN ring.... and I wouldn't call him cheap.
you don't know what type of pricescoper i am, so why don't you just keep your mouth shut? or stop typing in this case
and mara thanks so much for the compliment on the avatar! john from whiteflash made it for me
you don't know what type of pricescoper i am, so why don't you just keep your mouth shut? or stop typing in this case
and mara thanks so much for the compliment on the avatar! john from whiteflash made it for me
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Last I checked, it wasn't me who made mindless comments about never speaking up unless blah blah. Maybe if you do not make unsolicited comments about others, you might invite fewer comments about yourself that you don't like. That way, you can also avoid sticking your foot in your mouth.Date: 2/19/2005 92:58 AM
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lol that's why Mark Morrell is making my ring right nowlast time i checked he was a CUSTOM maker of jewelry, I gave him my ideas that I liked from HIS work to make MY OWN ring.... and I wouldn't call him cheap.
you don't know what type of pricescoper i am, so why don't you just keep your mouth shut? or stop typing in this case
and mara thanks so much for the compliment on the avatar! john from whiteflash made it for me
Frankly, I cannot locate my interest about what type of pricescoper you are, even if I used an electron microscope.
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