Looking for a jeweler to replicate this Ritani Ring

[KBerly]

you make me laugh...

and that''s about all the time and energy i am wasting on you

 

[starfire]

Date: 2/19/2005 10:10

0 AM
Author: KBerly
you make me laugh...

and that's about all the time and energy i am wasting on you

Funny how people always say that when they have run out of useful things to say, not that what you said was constructive or useful in the first place.

But I will not deny you your scramble for a graceful exit from this conversation, since you obviously are oblivious that your rude comment started the ball rolling.

Next time you have the itch to type an unsolicited comment about someone, try biting down on your finger. Always works.

In any case, I am pleased to have made your day. Don't choke now... Wouldn't want that on my conscience.

Stephen

 

[MichelleCarmen]

If you are too cheap to appreciate good design and to pay for it, that's too bad. There is no need to rationalize it and put a positive spin on what it really is. There *are* people who do appreciate good design, and who do not mind paying a reasonable amount of money for the original.

This is grand especially coming from someone TOO CHEAP to order a copy of a video on diamonds FROM the discovery channel. Isn't it illegal to copy shows from tv? It thought these programs were copyrighted???

http://www.diamondtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?jpi=178013

 

[FireGoddess]

Date: 2/19/2005 2:38:10 PM
Author: MichelleCarmen

If you are too cheap to appreciate good design and to pay for it, that's too bad. There is no need to rationalize it and put a positive spin on what it really is. There *are* people who do appreciate good design, and who do not mind paying a reasonable amount of money for the original.

This is grand especially coming from someone TOO CHEAP to order a copy of a video on diamonds FROM the discovery channel. Isn't it illegal to copy shows from tv? It thought these programs were copyrighted???

http://www.diamondtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?jpi=178013

hehehehe...'nuff said!!

Edit: On second thought, no, it's not. Regarding the initial argument, most people DO incorporate their own design elements or alterations when "replicating" the look of a ring, which make the new ring NOT an exact replica. I am not about to judge people who may not have the means or even want to spend a huge premium because of a designer's name to get a particular ring. I can understand the moral dilemma however. All I can say is, most people who I've heard say, "I want to replicate the look of this ring" end up modifying the design to fit their own tastes.

 

[MelissaSue]

yes.. why is it ethical for desingers to mark up their jewelery and have people pay 3x the worth of something for a name brand.. if its not ethical to recreate their designs.. maybe its THEM that needs to rethink their ethics.. give me a break

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 2/19/2005 2:42:30 PM
Author: FireGoddess


hehehehe...''nuff said!!

Edit: On second thought, no, it''s not

Copyright infringement or not, there still is the MORAL issue! Who can argue that it''s not okay to copy one thing but is okay to copy another. For, what, $29.95 or whatever you can purchase a copy of a video or you can be cheap and have someone else copy it?

I just think Starfire is a bit judgemental. But, just a bit.

 

[onedrop]

I guess my feeling is along the lines of Feydakin''s. I can see all sides of the issue. And maybe I feel it a bit more deeply because I work in the intellectual property field. I guess if it were me, I would consider trying to get the real thing only because I have heard of situations where people wanted jewelers to create a piece similar to the "name brand" and weren''t happy with the results. If the branded setting was completely out of reach financially I would then considered getting something similar made. And that way I could incorporate my touches into the setting. My $.01.

And just to throw in my remaining $.01, the DCD designs are gorgeous! As is the one done by Campbell and Company.

 

[starfire]

Date: 2/19/2005 2:38:10 PM
Author: MichelleCarmen

If you are too cheap to appreciate good design and to pay for it, that's too bad. There is no need to rationalize it and put a positive spin on what it really is. There *are* people who do appreciate good design, and who do not mind paying a reasonable amount of money for the original.

This is grand especially coming from someone TOO CHEAP to order a copy of a video on diamonds FROM the discovery channel. Isn't it illegal to copy shows from tv? It thought these programs were copyrighted???

http://www.diamondtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?jpi=178013

You are scraping the bottom so loudly that I can hear you from here.

Let me fill you in on the facts.

a. I live in Singapore, and I am unable to order from discovery channel online (for some reason).
b. It is permissable to duplicate TV programs for private viewing, but not for mass broadcast. This is a common provision within copyright law.

So I would advise you to get facts before repeating the mistake that Kberly made; namely foot-in-mouth.

Sorry if my comments don't display much patience. It is rather tiring when discussing issues with people who who do not want to get confused with facts, and who make spurious comments before checking facts. One is never sure if one is discussing with adults, or 12-year-olds, in such cases.

Stephen

 

[starfire]

Date: 2/19/2005 3:15

1 PM
Author: Feydakin
I can''t believe I missed this thread, I love these types of arguments, but instead of my usual rant, I''m going to argue all sides at once

Copying a design in Intellectual property theft, regardless of how much the mark up is and whether it''s fair..
Copying a design because the manufacturer has low quality is the only way to get that design made well..
Artists spend a significant amount of time and skill creating new looks and should be allowed to profit from that..
Not all artists are willing to modify their designs to fit your diamonds..

etc etc etc..

Oh, it''s fair use to record a program for your own use, you just can''t sell it or distribute it to a mass audience..

Thanks Feydakin, you put the points accross more clearly than I managed to. It''s good to know that there are people who have similar points of view.

Regards,
Stephen

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Sorry if my comments don't display much patience. It is rather tiring when discussing issues with people who who do not want to get confused with facts, and who make spurious comments before checking facts. One is never sure if one is discussing with adults, or 12-year-olds, in such cases.

Stephen

Truthfully the facts don't really matter all that much to me as much as I'm humored that you're getting so huffed up! lol Do I even care about the copyright issue? Nope.

Have a grumpy evening.

 

[starfire]

Date: 2/19/2005 10:28:51 PM
Author: MichelleCarmen

Sorry if my comments don't display much patience.  It is rather tiring when discussing issues with people who who do not want to get confused with facts, and who make spurious comments before checking facts.  One is never sure if one is discussing with adults, or 12-year-olds, in such cases.

Stephen

Truthfully the facts don't really matter all that much to me as much as I'm humored that you're getting so huffed up! lol Do I even care about the copyright issue? Nope.

Have a grumpy evening.

The image of me being "huffed up" is interesting. But don't flatter yourself. It is very easy to shoot cheap intellectually-light shots when you do not know your facts, the discussion context or copyright law. I find discussion more productive when the opponent does not have the intellectual weight of a helium balloon.

A more intelligent person would have felt embarrassed saying that facts don't really matter, but clearly you do not suffer from that.

While this has been highly entertaining, it is going nowhere. Have a nice weekend.

Stephen

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 2/20/2005 2:26:58 AM
Author: starfire

Date: 2/19/2005 10:28:51 PM

Author: MichelleCarmen

Sorry if my comments don''t display much patience. It is rather tiring when discussing issues with people who who do not want to get confused with facts, and who make spurious comments before checking facts. One is never sure if one is discussing with adults, or 12-year-olds, in such cases.


Stephen

Truthfully the facts don''t really matter all that much to me as much as I''m humored that you''re getting so huffed up! lol Do I even care about the copyright issue? Nope.

Have a grumpy evening.

The image of me being ''huffed up'' is interesting. But don''t flatter yourself. It is very easy to shoot cheap intellectually-light shots when you do not know your facts, the discussion context or copyright law. I find discussion more productive when the opponent does not have the intellectual weight of a helium balloon.


A more intelligent person would have felt embarrassed saying that facts don''t really matter, but clearly you do not suffer from that.


While this has been highly entertaining, it is going nowhere. Have a nice weekend.


Stephen

Starfire that was uncalled for and you owe her an apology.
You have proved one thing beyond a shadow of a doubt and that is that your a jerk.