MA court sets new precedent on who keeps an engagement ring

[Calliecake]

@kenny, I guess I wasn’t clear. You and I are in complete agreement that the engagement was over when she didn’t support him during his cancer diagnosis.

 

[marymm]

perhaps he found purpose in pursuing what he believed the fair outcome; IMO the woman seems the spiteful one, a real taker

 

[Lookinagain]

There is a faction that wants to end no-fault divorce, and something like this could be used as part of the argument toward that, but I agree that in this case it was likely just spite.

I've never heard of any faction trying to end no fault so that's interesting. The fact that most jurisdictions allow no fault divorce was one of the reasons that the court found that they should overturn the existing MA law which relied on fault. The SJC said fault was too difficult to adjudicate and therefore fault shouldn't be part of the equation. So I think actually, this case cannot be used, at least in MA, toward an argument to end no-fault.
If anyone wants to read the opinion I've attached a copy

 

[kenny]

@kenny, I guess I wasn’t clear. You and I are in complete agreement that the engagement was over when she didn’t support him during his cancer diagnosis.

No worries.
We're good.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Overturning no fault divorce is another attempt to turn back the clock on women’s rights. It will decrease access to divorce and keep more women in bad marriages.

 

[Calliecake]

No worries.
We're good.

Thank you for this Kenny. It’s been a rough week.

 

[kenny]

Thank you for this Kenny. It’s been a rough week.

Awww.
Chocolate, Kisses, and Hugs for you.

 

[missy]

Overturning no fault divorce is another attempt to turn back the clock on women’s rights. It will decrease access to divorce and keep more women in bad marriages.

100%

Threats to No-Fault Divorce and its Implications for Violence Against Women - National Organization for Women

Republicans have renewed their efforts to attack civil rights and American liberties, and now they are eyeing no-fault divorce. Conservatives have begun engaging in concerning rhetoric around no-fault divorce, arguing that it is unconstitutional or against the Christian conception of marriage...

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[Lookinagain]

maybe they should make it a little harder to get married, instead of taking away the ability to get a divorce without suffering abuse, adultery, etc. There is still one state that allows females to get married at 15 with parental consent and another that allows at 15 with parental consent, regardless of gender.

 

[AdaBeta27]

Generally, the bride's family or even the bride herself was the one ponying up all of the deposits and paying the bills for the wedding and bridal gown, etc. So if the prospective groom broke the engagement off, the woman got to keep the e-ring to help offset the money lost on the wedding preparations. So, does she now get to sue him to get back money she lost on those? Or is she "at fault" and thus deemed s.o.l.?
Cancer is a serious thing. And older dating / marriage is a much weirder game than if you'd met in your 20s or 30s. These are two people of retirement age. They don't have decades left to work to try to recoup big losses. A teacher probably isn't made of money. Being legally on the hook for a spouse's cancer treatments is daunting. Tending a dying spouse is emotionally and physically exhausting. Who was going to have his legal power of attorney? Did he have children poised to shove New Wife aside if he became terminally ill? Was he leaving anything to her in his will, or was it all going to his children? How much were any children from either's marriage(s) meddling in the relationship? Many questions! So much about trying to marry at that age is just too complicated to make it worthwhile. I respectfully suggest that perhaps rather than being a gold digger, the woman took a long look at the situation and decided she didn't want to rush into marriage after circumstances changed. I was in what I considered a great relationship, except I just wanted to keep living separately and I didn't want to marry. The man broke up with me, because he insisted on marriage and conversion to his religion, which, frankly, I thought were ridiculous demands given his situation. I am unwilling to make those kinds of monumental changes at my age. He still hasn't found anyone to marry, nearly 20 years later. He goes around telling everyone that it's so tragic how he never met a new love of his life after his first wife left him back in the '90s. pfft! He probably met a half dozen women who would have been a good life partner, but all bailed out after getting his my-way-or-the- highway treatment.

 

[Madam Bijoux]

This is one of the most sensible decisions ever.

 

[monarch64]

maybe they should make it a little harder to get married, instead of taking away the ability to get a divorce without suffering abuse, adultery, etc. There is still one state that allows females to get married at 15 with parental consent and another that allows at 15 with parental consent, regardless of gender.

My state has similarly ridiculous laws. Males have to wait til 18, period. Females? Can marry with possession of a court order at 15. Now whyyyyy would that be? Hmmm. Statutory R-word? Even more sinister cases? So messed up, I cannot wait until my daughter goes away to college, travels, and never looks back.

FAQs • What are the age requirements to marry in Indiana?

www.miamicountyin.gov

 

[Calliecake]

@monarch64, OMG 15!!!! That’s crazy.