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By Amy Harmon
Dec. 26, 2022Updated 2:01 p.m. ET

Bitsy Cherry had been bracing for the question ever since most of the members of a board game group that had started meeting online during the pandemic began attending in-person meetings a few months ago.

Like many of the dwindling group of Americans still taking precautions like masking indoors and limiting face-to-face interactions, Mx. Cherry, who uses gender-neutral courtesy titles and pronouns, had been fielding nudges to return to pre-Covid routines from all corners. Doctors’ offices that have dropped mask protocols encouraged Mx. Cherry to come in for a physical exam. Friends suggested repeatedly that gathering on the porch might be safe enough. And there was President Biden, who in remarks on CBS’s “60 Minutes” had declared the pandemic “over.”

But when the board-game organizer finally asked this month if Mx. Cherry was ready to go back to gathering on the Cornell University campus, Mx. Cherry fumbled for an answer. The online gaming group on Saturday afternoons had become a key social outlet for Mx. Cherry, who has remained largely confined at home with Nathanael Nerode, Mx. Cherry’s partner, since March 2020 because of an autoimmune disorder that raises the risk of a severe outcome from Covid.

“I found that one upsetting,’’ Mx. Cherry said in an interview. “I’ve been worried in the back of my mind the whole time: When are they going to decide they don’t want to do this anymore?’’

For many Americans still at pains to avoid infection with the coronavirus, this has become the loneliest moment since the pandemic began.

Exercise classes have largely suspended remote workouts. Families and employers have expected attendance at holiday events. The vulnerable and the risk-averse are finding themselves the rare mask-wearers on public transportation, in places of worship, and at offices and stores.

Even as Covid cases and hospitalizations have climbed across the nation over the last month, public officials are avoiding mask mandates — though officials in some cities, including New Yorkand Los Angeles, have recently recommended wearing masks in public places, citing a “tripledemic” that includes influenza and R.S.V., or respiratory syncytial virus.

It is hard to avoid the feeling of being judged as histrionic, some say, even when evidence suggests they are right to be cautious. And many say they face pressure, internal and external, to adjust to changing social norms around a virus that others are treating as a thing of the past.

“I feel now that I’m getting stares wearing the mask, and I’m not a paranoid person,’’ said Andrew Gold, 66, who was recently the only guest masking at a small housewarming party in his Upper West Side neighborhood in Manhattan. “The vibe I’m getting is: ‘Is this really necessary?’’’

More than 90 percent of Americans said they wore masks at least some of the time in December 2020, and 69 percent did so in December 2021, according to polls by Ipsos, a research firm. That number has this month dropped to 30 percent, with only 10 percent saying that they use masks at all times outside of their home.

The decline in mask wearing occurred after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention eased its mask recommendations this spring. The virologist Trevor Bedford, at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Institute in Seattle, has estimated that the risk of Covid is similar to that of the flu, with one death in 2,000 infections, about one tenth of what it was originally, with one death in 200 infections.

But data from England, and the decrease in publicly reported P.C.R. tests, suggests there is likely a tenfold increase in unreported Covid cases compared with a year ago, Dr. Bedford said. Because there are more Covid infections than flu infections each year, more Americans are likely to die from Covid even if the death rate is similar. Moreover, Dr. Bedford wrote on Twitter that the risk of long Covid, a constellation of symptoms that can plague people for months, places the “health burden of Covid substantially higher than influenza.’’

The risks fall most heavily on those who are immune-compromised, over age 65, or lack the resources to treat infections or take time off work. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll this month found that Americans making less than $40,000 per year were on average much more likely to express worries about getting seriously ill from Covid than those with higher incomes.

Hospitalizations have begun to level off recently, but cases are rising in some states, and the Northeast remains a troubling hot spot. Experts fear that holiday gatherings and lagging vaccination rates could lead to an increase in hospitalizations and cases in January. Covid-19 is still the nation’s third leading cause of death, killing about 400 people a day.

But avoiding infection comes with new trade-offs.

Alice Barton, 69, a retired doctor in Austin, Texas, who has severe asthma, for instance, has become accustomed to being the only person wearing a mask, even in doctors’ offices. And she has resisted entreaties by members of her prepandemic yoga class to return.

“People are constantly commenting about how I must just be scared, there must be something the matter with me,” Dr. Barton said. “It’s the most isolated I’ve ever been.”

Jennifer Rutherford, a clerical worker in Davis, Calif., has come to take it as a sign of subtle pressure when people tell her it is hard to hear her through her mask. Sometimes, she obliges by taking it off. But she remains the only member of her musical theater group to mask during rehearsals, because of her concerns about long Covid.

“Most people seem to be fine,’’ Ms. Rutherford said. “But then someone will say, ‘My lungs haven’t recovered.’ ‘I still have heart palpitations.’ ‘I’m really weak.’ I have no reason to believe I’m not going to be one of those people.’’

Public health experts emphasize the need for staying current with booster shots. But while many recommend masks indoors, they also say individual risk calculations should take into account that the virus is almost certainly here to stay and people need to ask: Do I want to mask, perhaps, for decades?

“It’s absolutely reasonable that people would differ in terms of what risks they think is worth it,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, director of the pandemic center at Brown University School of Public Health.

On social media, many of the Covid risk-averse have reported entreaties to attend holiday gatherings they fear would expose them to unacceptable health risks. Many declined to speak on the record, for fear of reprisal or ridicule from employers or social groups. Others say the shift in attitudes has sometimes made them question themselves.

“I feel like there’s been a reordering of the risk universe,’’ said Tanya Keith, 51, of Des Moines, a member of the Facebook group for parents still taking Covid precautions called “Still COVIDing: Parents Edition.” “Now it’s like, I’m one of the crazy people.”

Ms. Keith avoids restaurants and always wears a mask indoors. Her children mask at school. She has no health conditions that would put her at higher Covid risk, but she has had Covid once, suffered from lingering symptoms and has no time to be sick, she said.

The hardest part, Ms. Keith said, has been feeling out of step with the circle of liberal-leaning friends who once shared her own family’s Covid-safety protocols. Now, some of the people with whom she had commiserated over an Iowa law that prohibited schools from requiring masks are no longer routinely wearing masks themselves.

At a synagogue where masks were once required, Ms. Keith found herself and her family almost alone in wearing them for her daughter’s consecration ceremony. And though she allowed herself to be coaxed by a friend into going to a bar to watch a World Cup game, a social activity she especially missed this year, she said she felt incapable of enjoying the usual soccer camaraderie.

“I just felt like, ‘What are we doing here? Nothing has changed. Covid is still not ‘just a cold,’’’ Ms. Keith said.

For people like the friend, Steve Wilke-Shapiro, navigating the resistance of people with whom they were once in lock step is also a new challenge. Mr. Wilke-Shapiro, an architect, said he had become resigned to getting Covid, and that with vaccinations and booster shots, he would “do what I can to avoid it and still for the most part do the things I enjoy doing.’’

“I told her it would be fun, there would be people there she hadn’t seen in a while,’’ he recalled. But when she declined to return for the next game, he did not push back. “I try to read the room,’’ he said.

Sometimes family members and friends can get a little exasperated by the hyper concern. Rafael Oro, 64, a business analyst in Union, N.J., said he has chafed at his wife’s continuing caution. While he is ready to return to prepandemic routines, “we have yet to see a play,” he noted.

“If you have an underlying condition, of course, put it on,’’ Mr. Oro said. “But if you’re vaccinated, you’re boosted, are you really still afraid?’’
For Nathanael Nerode, 46, the partner of Mx. Cherry, the imperative now is to educate others about the risks that remain. When friends say they are not worried about Covid because they have already had it, Mx. Nerode, who also uses gender-neutral courtesy titles and pronouns, sends them a link to academic papers that suggest reinfection is relatively common and each infection adds to the risk of severe outcomes. When friends say they do not mind if they get Covid because it will be only a cold, Mx. Nerode sends a paper suggesting that even mild cases can result in cognitive impairment.

“I’m fairly blunt,’’ said Mx. Nerode, who is also a member of Mx. Cherry’s game group. “So when somebody’s like, ‘Oh, I’m inviting you to this event,’ my response is, ‘You’re crazy. That event is dangerous. Don’t come crying to me when you get sick.’”

That does not mean life has to shut down, the couple said. If everyone at the board game group would commit to wearing well-fitting, high-quality masks — they prefer elastomeric p100s — and the group invested in a HEPA filter, Mx. Cherry says the couple could safely attend. Mx. Nerode’s 90-year-old father, for instance, a math professor at Cornell, has taught all semester with the same equipment.

At the same time, Mx. Cherry worried that the other members of the game group would continue to meet online solely out of a sense of obligation.

“I didn’t want them to do that,’’ Mx. Cherry recalled.

But when the couple explained at the recent online meeting that neither of them felt comfortable meeting in person under the current conditions, the three other members did not press further for in-person sessions.

Instead, at the end of the afternoon session, they gave their usual sign-off.

“They said, ‘See you next Saturday,’ Mx. Cherry recalled. “So it seems like we will keep playing.’’
 
Clearly America has not gotten the message ... people vary.

If they did this article would not have been written, and all the hoopla and drama described in it would not have taken place.

There's nothing wrong with being the only one in the room wearing a mask.
Nothing!
And there's nothing wrong with not showing up to an optional event.
Nothing.

Everyone should be comfy, and free from ridicule, when doing what they want.
 
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althouht not in America im still wearing a mask
the only one at my work although not quite the only person in the firm
boss still supplying masks
about 3 or 4 customers a day still bother
not even the ladies next door at the chemist bother
 
COVID is still killing people, and I'm still old with medical conditions that put me at risk of 98.jpeg if I get it.
My DH and I, fully vaxed and boosted, still take ALL the precautions that we took when Covid was at its peak.

It's not over; Biden lied.
But once again ... Follow the Money.
People dying doesn't matter - Gotta keep that consumer-based economy running. :nono:

For work I go to none of their "mandatory" monthly meetings, conferences, or holiday parties.
None.

Nancy Regan taught me to just say NO. :wink2:
... and I'm still working. :dance:

I'm resigned and at peace with doing this for the rest of my life.
No worries.
Everyone else can do whatever they want.
Fortunately for over 60 years I've gotten a lot of practice doing my own thing, and not giving a Fk about social approval!
Increasing my odds of staying alive is worth the very small inconvenience.

If someone gives me side-eye for wearing a mask I'll flip them off.
 
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COVID is still killing people, and I'm still old with medical conditions that put me at risk of 98.jpeg if I get it.
My DH and I, fully vaxed and boosted, still take ALL precautions we did when Covid was at its peak.

It's not over; Biden lied.
But once again ... Follow the Money. :nono:

For work I go to none of their "mandatory" monthly meetings, conferences, or holiday parties.
None.

Nancy Regan taught me to just say NO. :wink2:
... and I'm still working. :dance:

I'm resigned and at peace with doing this for the rest of my life.
No worries.
Everyone else can do whatever they want.
Fortunately for over 60 years I've gotten a lot of practice doing my own thing, and not giving a Fk about social approval!
Increasing my odds of staying alive is worth the very small inconvenience.

If someone gives me side-eye for wearing a mask I'll flip them off.

have you had it yet Kenny ?
i got it for labour weekend (late October)
actually my entire work got it from my manerger's husband
i know we were all fortune to have only mild cases
naturaly i took it home to Gary

i have no desire to catch it again
 
We still mask indoors. We have underlying conditions and we're over 65. We have never caught Covid and hope not to get it!

It made a big difference for me when we began buying Airgami masks. I find them really comfortable. They don't fog my glasses or suck in when I inhale. They don't muffle my voice. I don't mind them. I actually get a lot of compliments on them. People ask what they are and take down the name of the website where I buy them. I don't get any push-back on my mask, from anyone.

I do wish we could eat at restaurants year round, but I have come to accept that for the foreseeable future, we will only be dining out during the summer and where there is outdoor seating. It's okay; I am a good cook and we save money eating at home. (That helps us pay for the pricey masks, haha).
 
We still mask indoors. We have underlying conditions and we're over 65. We have never caught Covid and hope not to get it!

It made a big difference for me when we began buying Airgami masks. I find them really comfortable. They don't fog my glasses or suck in when I inhale. They don't muffle my voice. I don't mind them. I actually get a lot of compliments on them. People ask what they are and take down the name of the website where I buy them. I don't get any push-back on my mask, from anyone.

I do wish we could eat at restaurants year round, but I have come to accept that for the foreseeable future, we will only be dining out during the summer and where there is outdoor seating. It's okay; I am a good cook and we save money eating at home. (That helps us pay for the pricey masks geometry dash unblocked, haha).

The area I live, we are also encouraged to wear masks indoors.
 
Clearly America has not gotten the message ... people vary.

If they did this article would not have been written, and all the hoopla and drama described in it would not have taken place.

There's nothing wrong with being the only one in the room wearing a mask.
Nothing!
And there's nothing wrong with not showing up to an optional event.
Nothing.

Everyone should be comfy, and free from ridicule, when doing what they want.

Exactly, you should be able to wear it without ridicule.

That being said, I don't think it works indoors as people think it does. You can test this, spray something smelly in a small room then enter with your mask on and you will see it gets through like the mask isn't there, but certainly stops people from "spitting" in your face as they talk.
 
Exactly, you should be able to wear it without ridicule.

That being said, I don't think it works indoors as people think it does. You can test this, spray something smelly in a small room then enter with your mask on and you will see it gets through like the mask isn't there, but certainly stops people from "spitting" in your face as they talk.

My experience has been, it depends on the mask.
Those 'surgical' masks do not block fragrances, but those do not seal to your face around the edges very well.
Air takes the path of least resistance, and that will be around the edges of a poorly sealed mask instead of through the filter material.
I don't think the filter material itself (of surgical masks) filters out much fragrance.

The N95 I use does block fragrances very effectively.
I've experienced this many times - I take it off and suddenly smell things that I could not smell at all with the N95 on.

But then I am careful to fit it to my nose so it seals extremely well.
I know it is fitted correctly when it is hard to breathe.
 
My experience has been, it depends on the mask.
Those 'surgical' masks do not block fragrances, but those do not seal to your face around the edges very well.
Air takes the path of least resistance, and that will be around the edges of a poorly sealed mask instead of through the filter material.
I don't think the filter material itself (of surgical masks) filters out much fragrance.

The N95 I use does block fragrances very effectively.
I've experienced this many times - I take it off and suddenly smell things that I could not smell at all with the N95 on.

But then I am careful to fit it to my nose so it seals extremely well.
I know it is fitted correctly when it is hard to breathe.

Correct!

It doesn't block everything, trust me, but I agree it's MUCH better than normal masks.
Still I would not wear it while swimming or walking by myself on an empty street. For me it has to make sense to do something, I will not do it out of fear.

It's good that you lasted so long without getting the virus, it really is, but if you get it, don't panic cause you'll instantly lower your immune system. Being careful without the panic and the fear is the way.

My fear is gone after having had it, it's such a relief (no long covid). If I could have avoided getting it, I would have done so but it wasn't possible.
 
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Clearly America has not gotten the message ... people vary.

If they did this article would not have been written, and all the hoopla and drama described in it would not have taken place.

There's nothing wrong with being the only one in the room wearing a mask.
Nothing!
And there's nothing wrong with not showing up to an optional event.
Nothing.

Everyone should be comfy, and free from ridicule, when doing what they want.

Agree completely with you Kenny.
I truly do not care what others think of me.
I do what I feel is necessary.
Period.

Most often my dh and I are the only ones wearing a mask at Costco, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods. I don't care what anyone thinks. Those are the only places we go indoors for the most part. We visited my parents just two weeks ago and we all did the rapid test before we took off our masks to visit. That was the very first time we took our masks off inside at someone else's home since we started wearing masks. It felt strange. But nice. However we won't be doing that often. And if we visit with anyone we test. It's not foolproof but it's what we can do to minimize our risks. And of course wear masks where there are people around.


The N95 I use does block fragrances very effectively.
I've experienced this many times - I take it off and suddenly smell things that I could not smell at all with the N95 on.

But then I am careful to fit it to my nose so it seals extremely well.
I know it is fitted correctly when it is hard to breathe.

Exactly. The naysayers might not be wearing their masks correctly. That would not surprise me for reasons I won't go into.
Wear your mask correctly and it greatly reduces your risk.
There is no perfect solution. No 100% guarantee.

Vaccines reduce your risk of severe Covid.
Wearing masks reduce your risk of getting severe Covid.
And if you have been vaccinated and wear masks your risks are that much further reduced.

It's the best we have and yes it works. Mask up and keep those vaccinates up to date.

Hope you find this chart helpful. I have posted it before but it bears repeating.
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Be well everyone.
 
Well, count my family among those still masking. I have various autoimmune conditions that tend to act a bit like long Covid. I have told my husband multiple times that I simply cannot put more health issues on my plate. I cannot. So we mask, and honestly, I don’t go many places.

I needed to take high dose steroids a little while ago prior to a surgery, so I’m technically immune suppressed. Not sure for how long.

What stinks is that despite our mask wearing, my husband caught Covid (through an N95, mind you), just in time for Christmas. He has been isolating and so far the rest of us are negative. But I can report a few things. One, there is now a Paxlovid shortage. It is really hard to get. Do not count on being able to have it prescribed to you, and if you do, on being able to fill it. Two, ”mild” has been bandied about so much that people do not know what it means. “Mild” medically means you are not hospitalized. He was quite sick before the Paxlovid kicked in. You do not want this virus.

Lastly, the five day isolation recommendation is BS. Still testing positive well after. If you are testing positive on a rapid test, you are contagious.
 
No underlying health conditions, but we still mask up in shops. I think we're the only people still masking in the supermarket.

My DH recently got covid, and fortunately wasn't particularly unwell, sore throat and raised temperature for 2 days and then fine, He's vaxed, boostered and was wearing a mask the whole time, so we've no idea how he got it, and despite being with him 24/7, I didn't get it.

We're not about to give up masks, and don't care what anyone else thinks.
 
Hi,
I have a nice story to tell about this. I am a person who is stuck in the house. Sometimes I want badly to just get out.
So, this thanksgiving I decided to try to go to the supermarket to get my on sale turkey. Each year I say I'm not cooking another turkey, but my resolve disappears when I see the price and think of all the different meals, and soup I can make. I really like turkey.
I double mask(surgical) and head for the first thing on my list. Oh, Oh, I can't push the cart and my wheelchair at the same time. I get out of breath. No one had masks on. A 40ish woman seeing my distress asked if she could help me. She offered to do my shopping for me. I accepted. As she was returning with my groceries, I saw her stop, look in her purse, and pull out a mask. She put it on before she came to face me. I could have hugged her. What a wonderful citizen she is. She really did make my day.

I won't do that again. Thank God (just an expression) for this lovely woman, who can think of others, even to mask up for them.

Annette
 
Hi,
I have a nice story to tell about this. I am a person who is stuck in the house. Sometimes I want badly to just get out.
So, this thanksgiving I decided to try to go to the supermarket to get my on sale turkey. Each year I say I'm not cooking another turkey, but my resolve disappears when I see the price and think of all the different meals, and soup I can make. I really like turkey.
I double mask(surgical) and head for the first thing on my list. Oh, Oh, I can't push the cart and my wheelchair at the same time. I get out of breath. No one had masks on. A 40ish woman seeing my distress asked if she could help me. She offered to do my shopping for me. I accepted. As she was returning with my groceries, I saw her stop, look in her purse, and pull out a mask. She put it on before she came to face me. I could have hugged her. What a wonderful citizen she is. She really did make my day.

I won't do that again. Thank God (just an expression) for this lovely woman, who can think of others, even to mask up for them.

Annette

I wish I had a nice story to tell about this. Unfortunately I have several not so nice ones.

My daughter has been harassed multiple times by teen boys telling her to take her mask off. Which really makes my skin crawl. Any time you have teen boys telling a teen girl to take *anything* off, we should all have red flags flying. NOT OK.

Next, I had an ugly encounter with a man in an elevator in Vegas. I was wearing a N95, waiting by the elevator bank with both of my hands full of heavy bags, so I did as I have done for years and pressed the button with my foot (I practice martial arts, or rather, did until the pandemic made it impossible for me to continue to do so safely). Got on the elevator and this guy also gets on. I had not noticed there was anyone in the elevator lobby with me, but evidently he had walked up behind me and saw me press the button with my foot. Since my hands were full I asked him to please press the button for my floor. He looks me up and down with a sneer, lingering on various body parts, then stops on my mask, and says, “Are you that afraid to touch things? No, I wanna see you press it with your foot.“

I stood there for a second, again, hands full of heavy bags, flabbergasted. Then said, “No, I’m not afraid to touch it. I’m a third degree black belt and I know how to kick things.“ And proceeded to accurately (and delicately) press the button for 30 or whatever with my foot, (it was a beautiful slow-mo roundhouse with the tip of my shoe, not that he would have appreciated it). Then I added, “Also, my hands are full.” Really should have called him a choice name, but did not.

Note, this has not happened to my son or my husband. Only my daughter and me.
 
I was so mad when my partner and I got covid back in August. We did just get back from visiting my family out of state, and with the timing of my symptoms I likely got it first and then gave it to my spouse. No one in my family caught it thankfully, which leads me to believe I most likely got it our last day there (if symptoms took 5 days to show), or through my stupidity in agreeing to go eat out at an indoor only restaurant with a friend the day after we got back (which would have been 3 days until symptoms).

Admittedly, since we had covid in August and our boosters at the end of October, I figure we have pretty good protection against it though December/into part of January, so we've gone out to eat indoors a few times with friends and family over the last few months. It doesn't feel quite right to be indoors without a mask, as I work in dentistry and never stopped wearing masks, and I wear my n95 for all grocery runs/chores, etc. as well. I'm fully aware I'm more likely to contract a virus eating and drinking around others than brushing past in the grocery store, and we are going back to our hermit ways in the new year. Cases for everything are going up, our immunity is waning, and I would like to avoid getting sick for a multitude of reasons.
 
Hi,
I have a nice story to tell about this. I am a person who is stuck in the house. Sometimes I want badly to just get out.
So, this thanksgiving I decided to try to go to the supermarket to get my on sale turkey. Each year I say I'm not cooking another turkey, but my resolve disappears when I see the price and think of all the different meals, and soup I can make. I really like turkey.
I double mask(surgical) and head for the first thing on my list. Oh, Oh, I can't push the cart and my wheelchair at the same time. I get out of breath. No one had masks on. A 40ish woman seeing my distress asked if she could help me. She offered to do my shopping for me. I accepted. As she was returning with my groceries, I saw her stop, look in her purse, and pull out a mask. She put it on before she came to face me. I could have hugged her. What a wonderful citizen she is. She really did make my day.

I won't do that again. Thank God (just an expression) for this lovely woman, who can think of others, even to mask up for them.

Annette

Huggs to you, believe it there are others like her!
 
Nobody in my part of CT seems to care if you wear one or not, if you wear one you won’t be harassed, nobody cares.
 
Hi,
I have a nice story to tell about this. I am a person who is stuck in the house. Sometimes I want badly to just get out.
So, this thanksgiving I decided to try to go to the supermarket to get my on sale turkey. Each year I say I'm not cooking another turkey, but my resolve disappears when I see the price and think of all the different meals, and soup I can make. I really like turkey.
I double mask(surgical) and head for the first thing on my list. Oh, Oh, I can't push the cart and my wheelchair at the same time. I get out of breath. No one had masks on. A 40ish woman seeing my distress asked if she could help me. She offered to do my shopping for me. I accepted. As she was returning with my groceries, I saw her stop, look in her purse, and pull out a mask. She put it on before she came to face me. I could have hugged her. What a wonderful citizen she is. She really did make my day.

I won't do that again. Thank God (just an expression) for this lovely woman, who can think of others, even to mask up for them.

Annette

Annette, thank you for sharing. I am very glad you received help from a considerate and thoughtful person.

We, too, have experienced this. We rarely go to stores except to grocery shop and we are almost the only ones ever wearing masks. But one day we went into a shoppe just to browse for a few minutes and as soon as we walked in the owner (and only other person in the store) took out a mask and put it on since we were wearing ours. So thoughtful. And we also experienced this when we went shopping for trees. We went into the main office and the woman there seeing we were wearing masks promptly got a mask and put it on. Again I was very touched by their thoughtful behavior.

Not all people suck :)

And we don't never have experienced any push back or criticism when wearing our masks indoors. But we are usually the only ones wearing our masks.
 
I believe in masking and our family STILL wears N95s in public spaces (planes, medical facilities, airports, elevators, public bathrooms, malls etc.)

We are totally tolerated on the West Coast. In the Northeast (the State south of NYC) when we visited last summer, we were basically harassed. For example several times, people getting on elevators with us coughed loudly on us, or if we walked by them, they coughed on us. It was really disheartening and I felt embarrassed. It was also that trip where my husband caught COVID from a family member, both unmasked in the car…

My concern is that Americans aren’t tolerant of each other, why would anyone really care enough to be abusive? I really felt anxiety around people who were hostile to masking. In contrast the relaxed attitude of my current hometown felt like a relief from judgement.

I’m pro freedom BTW, including that I also believe people should make their own decisions about treatments and Vaccines. Masking works according to the data…

PS I wear a cotton mask or neck tube which I pull up and down in the car to drive and to hike! For sunscreen and for dust control it comes in handy. Why do other people care?
 
I live outside the US (Canada) and wear a mask indoors for grocery shopping, etc. I notice that plenty of staff still wear masks, and other shoppers do, too. I've never been harassed for wearing one, and if someone's given me side-eye or stink-eye, they've wasted their effort(s) 'cause I've missed it. :bigsmile:

My DH got COVID (he's on immune suppressant meds due to AI issues) recently, and we have no idea how/where! I managed to resist for a few days, then tested positive. Due to his AI issues, he was prescribed Paxlovid which was amazing—his recovery time was shorter than mine. Well, he tested negative a few days before I did. Being a relatively healthy creature, I didn't qualify for it.

Is the Paxlovid shortage due to a lot more people getting COVID?
 
I wish I had a nice story to tell about this. Unfortunately I have several not so nice ones.

My daughter has been harassed multiple times by teen boys telling her to take her mask off. Which really makes my skin crawl. Any time you have teen boys telling a teen girl to take *anything* off, we should all have red flags flying. NOT OK.

Next, I had an ugly encounter with a man in an elevator in Vegas. I was wearing a N95, waiting by the elevator bank with both of my hands full of heavy bags, so I did as I have done for years and pressed the button with my foot (I practice martial arts, or rather, did until the pandemic made it impossible for me to continue to do so safely). Got on the elevator and this guy also gets on. I had not noticed there was anyone in the elevator lobby with me, but evidently he had walked up behind me and saw me press the button with my foot. Since my hands were full I asked him to please press the button for my floor. He looks me up and down with a sneer, lingering on various body parts, then stops on my mask, and says, “Are you that afraid to touch things? No, I wanna see you press it with your foot.“

I stood there for a second, again, hands full of heavy bags, flabbergasted. Then said, “No, I’m not afraid to touch it. I’m a third degree black belt and I know how to kick things.“ And proceeded to accurately (and delicately) press the button for 30 or whatever with my foot, (it was a beautiful slow-mo roundhouse with the tip of my shoe, not that he would have appreciated it). Then I added, “Also, my hands are full.” Really should have called him a choice name, but did not.

Note, this has not happened to my son or my husband. Only my daughter and me.

Hi,
I hope you will forgive me, but this is the best story ever. You are really something. That guy will go home to tell his fellow friends and family what he saw in Vegas. You put on a private show for him. Using your feet to push buttons on the elevator and to chose a floor button is incredulous. I want to retell the story. He was a jerk, I agree, but you came thru with flying colors. My hats off to you.

Annette
 
Hi,
I hope you will forgive me, but this is the best story ever. You are really something. That guy will go home to tell his fellow friends and family what he saw in Vegas. You put on a private show for him. Using your feet to push buttons on the elevator and to chose a floor button is incredulous. I want to retell the story. He was a jerk, I agree, but you came thru with flying colors. My hats off to you.

Annette

Thanks. It didn’t seem like much at the time. We used to do that kind of thing all the time in training so it was no big deal. Ask any tae kwon do practitioner and you will find that we go through our houses and do things like open doors (lever doorknobs) and press light switches with our feet, at least when we are actively training. I don’t nearly as much anymore, but if my hands are full, well….although, come to think of it, I routinely shut kitchen cabinets that way.

I actually doubt that guy will be telling the story to anyone. How do you say that a woman got in an elevator with her hands full, politely asked you to push a button, and that you refused and mocked her? I suppose if he left that part out….
 
I live outside the US (Canada) and wear a mask indoors for grocery shopping, etc. I notice that plenty of staff still wear masks, and other shoppers do, too. I've never been harassed for wearing one, and if someone's given me side-eye or stink-eye, they've wasted their effort(s) 'cause I've missed it. :bigsmile:

My DH got COVID (he's on immune suppressant meds due to AI issues) recently, and we have no idea how/where! I managed to resist for a few days, then tested positive. Due to his AI issues, he was prescribed Paxlovid which was amazing—his recovery time was shorter than mine. Well, he tested negative a few days before I did. Being a relatively healthy creature, I didn't qualify for it.

Is the Paxlovid shortage due to a lot more people getting COVID?

I honestly do not know what is behind the shortage. I asked my physician about getting it in case I tested positive over Christmas, and she told me no, that I had to test positive first, and that there was a shortage.

People have been saying that the situation in China will affect the pharmaceutical supply chain, so I wonder if that’s it, or if it’s too soon for that to be a factor.
 
I'm in a state with a larger senior population and they don't even seem to be masking up. I rarely see masks. I don't know why anyone
would care enough to bother with someone else wearing a mask. Nobody knows what they are dealing with even if it's nothing and
they just choose to mask up. I would never judge someone else for masking up (or not).

My Dad is immunocompromised and 84 years old. He'll probably be wearing masks and pretty much staying home for the rest of his
days. It's really unfortunate. I was hoping he could spend his later years traveling and doing fun stuff. :(2
 
Nobody in my part of CT seems to care if you wear one or not, if you wear one you won’t be harassed, nobody cares.

Same here in MA. I always wear one indoors when running errands. I'm not the only one, but definitely in the minority. No one says anything and I haven't caught any nasty looks that I've noticed. They are talking about putting a mask mandate on in the public schools in the city for the two weeks post holidays. Some argue against it saying people are out an about all over anyway so what good will it do? Well, I guess it could help protect those few who are no out and about everywhere unmasked. I would think that is the motivation.
 
Well, count my family among those still masking. I have various autoimmune conditions that tend to act a bit like long Covid. I have told my husband multiple times that I simply cannot put more health issues on my plate. I cannot. So we mask, and honestly, I don’t go many places.

I needed to take high dose steroids a little while ago prior to a surgery, so I’m technically immune suppressed. Not sure for how long.

What stinks is that despite our mask wearing, my husband caught Covid (through an N95, mind you), just in time for Christmas. He has been isolating and so far the rest of us are negative. But I can report a few things. One, there is now a Paxlovid shortage. It is really hard to get. Do not count on being able to have it prescribed to you, and if you do, on being able to fill it. Two, ”mild” has been bandied about so much that people do not know what it means. “Mild” medically means you are not hospitalized. He was quite sick before the Paxlovid kicked in. You do not want this virus.

Lastly, the five day isolation recommendation is BS. Still testing positive well after. If you are testing positive on a rapid test, you are contagious.

oh dear
i hope he is over it soon
you havnt caught it then ? (fingers crossed)
 
i know the basic surgical masks kept us safe at work from customers germs
also the fact we have a counter between us and the great unwashed
and ventalation with a back and a front door open or at least being opened everytime someone came in

our customers come in to buy lunch and just pop in and go again
we wash our hands often and santatize religously every time we touch money
that kept us safe for the longest time

until one of us got it
then we were F...ed
 
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