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My experience with Toronto appraisers

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For those of you who are in Toronto and in need of an appraisal, I thought I'd share my experience with the appraisers in the city.

I brought the loose diamond to 2 appraisers, EGL-Canada (55 Queen St. East, Suite 500) and GemScan (27 Queen St. East, Suite 406).

EGL-Canada
- Price: $70 for appraisal that includes plot diagram; payable cash, debit, credit
- Report format: Laminated 8.5 x 11" trifold plus an appraisal summary (laminated 3 x 5") that included a photograph of the diamond
- Scheduling, etc.: If you drop off the diamond in the morning, the appraisal will be ready by closing time. They were very accommodating, and though I dropped off the stone late at 2:30, they were still able to complete the job within 2 hours. No option to watch while waiting, and I did not get to meet the appraiser.

GemScan
- Price: $70 for appraisal, additional $30 for plot diagram, additional $20 for light/brilliance analysis; payable only cash or cheque
- Report format: Non-laminated 5 x 7" bifold
- Scheduling, etc.: by appointment (3 time options), you are welcome to wait during the assessment (30-40minutes) and can watch (from a fair distance though) from the waiting room through a glass window. The appraiser spoke to me before and after, and answered questions.

Interestingly, though EGL's reputation (even the USA group) is to sometimes/often upgrade the clarity, they did the opposite in my case.
Having examined the stone myself, and referring to the plot diagrams (which are identical between both labs), I would definitely classify it as a VS2, so I'm not too sure what the rationale was for the SI-1 grading...

EGL-Canada
- Measurement: 7.66 x 7.63 x 4.72mm
- Depth: 61.7%
- Cutlet: none
- Cut grade: Ideal
- Color grade: F
- Clarity: SI1
- Fluorescence: Faint
- Polish: Excellent
- Symmetry: Excellent
- Replacement value: $35,075

GemScan
- Measurement: 7.67 x 7.63 x 4.75mm
- Depth: not explicitly stated
- Cutlet: very small
- Cut grade: Ideal
- Color grade: F
- Clarity: VS2
- Fluorescence: No mention
- Symmetry: Very good
- Replacement value: $33,000

Also, though I specifically asked for the "suggested insurance coverage" to reflect the fair market value rather than the inflated retail price, both said they have methods to calculate this number, and would not deviate from this. The appraiser at GemScam did however say that if the diamond had been purchased at Tiffany's or Birk's, for example, that he may have written $45,000 instead, so that if the stone needed to be replaced, the replacement value would allow for re-purchasing at those same institutions. So I suppose it is still worth specifying to the lab/appraiser that you do not want them to appraise the stone's value at the inflated retail price, if possible.

All in all, I'm not sure I can recommend one lab over the other.

To summarize, the most notable differences, were:
- EGL is less more inexpensive, at $70 instead of $100 for GemScan
- EGL gave a slightly more detailed (and official-looking) report
- EGL downgraded the stone's clarity by 1 point
- GemScan allows you to "wait and watch"
 
Great post!

I Personally use GemLab at 21 dundas as they charge $20 to jewelers or $30 to the public for a basic appraisal. All work is done right on front of you, and Shant the owner does very accurate work.

I also send clients to Harold Weinstein, a bit more expensive at 70-80 but they are ICGA's one of few in Canada.

I find gemscan to be hit or miss depending on whether the owners are the ones doing the appraisal.
 
thediamondshopper|1380945712|3532566 said:
Great post!

I Personally use GemLab at 21 dundas as they charge $20 to jewelers or $30 to the public for a basic appraisal. All work is done right on front of you, and Shant the owner does very accurate work.

I also send clients to Harold Weinstein, a bit more expensive at 70-80 but they are ICGA's one of few in Canada.

I find gemscan to be hit or miss depending on whether the owners are the ones doing the appraisal.

Do you know who the owners are? The man who did my appraisal was John G.
 
Thanks for this post, I need to get another appraisal of Lady J done... I might go to one of these places during lunch.
 
two_little_birds|1380987207|3532707 said:
Thanks for this post, I need to get another appraisal of Lady J done... I might go to one of these places during lunch.

After you get Lady J appraised, could you kindly you share the experience on this thread, whether you go somewhere else or at one of these 2 labs? I would love to get a database going for GTA appraisers. Thanks!

p.s. if I need to go to another lab, the next I'll try is likely Harold Weinstein
 
I have said this a lot and use EGL-Canada. The EGL-Canada certificate in my mind is worth more than a GemScan one. They are typically bang on clarity when compared to GIA. You can speak to the EGL-Canada appraiser if you ask - I have spoken to him and he gave me tips on fixing some chips.
 
CharmyPoo|1380990376|3532743 said:
I have said this a lot and use EGL-Canada. The EGL-Canada certificate in my mind is worth more than a GemScan one. They are typically bang on clarity when compared to GIA. You can speak to the EGL-Canada appraiser if you ask - I have spoken to him and he gave me tips on fixing some chips.

Hi CharmyPoo! Thanks for chiming in.

Here are the inclusion plots from EGL (first pic) and GemScan (second pic), which are near identical (except for the small external scratch noted by EGL). As stated above, EGL rated this a SI1 while GemScan rated this a VS2. What is your honest opinion on this discrepancy?

Thanks for your input!

egl_plot_diagram.jpg

gemscan_plot_diagram.png
 
Both plots are accurate which to me is good proof that Gemscan is not as strict. The same applies to color as well - it's the same diamond but people call it different grades.
 
Thanks so much for this thread - I need to get some pieces appraised so now I will have an idea of where to go!!
 
canadagirl|1381087959|3533233 said:
Thanks so much for this thread - I need to get some pieces appraised so now I will have an idea of where to go!!

I'm glad you found it helpful! Please come back and post your feedback/experience with your chosen appraiser.
 
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