My start to a new jade obsession

[Bluegemz]

You might start by looking to think about which qualities you want. A jade bangle will always be the most expensive because it's hard to get a piece big enough and fracture free enough for a bangle. Each quality adds value and price, exponentially. So, if you want color, but can put up with a few harmless stone lines, then this is a way to find what you want at a good price. Basic qualities are; color, transitions, composition, translucence, grain, texture, and stone lines ( and things like fissures and cracks) btw, some fissures are healed, partially healed, or unhealed, so not all compromise strength. It depends on where they are located too.

 

[Burmesedaze]

Stracci, what collection! Love the sentiment behind those too, especially that your father gifted one of them. I love nephrite jade and jadeite jade, but nephrite has a unique beauty all its own, which is very soft and glowing. I'm like you, I love big rings! In my jade collection, I have mostly a lot of bangles, but I have 3 jade rings, 2 of which are nephrite rings, and they are both huge. Here they are...first is a custom made snake ring around a piece of California Vonsen's blue jade, and the second is a funky vintage grape ring from the 60's-70's.people always smile at my grape ring. I think it has a fun, less serious look that puts people in a good mood, probably because they remember the 70's! This was a time when jewelry was playful and decorative, even in fine jewelry.

How about 2 bunches of grape jadeite earrings to go with the ring? I'd so love a pair for earrings!

 

[Bluegemz]

Another good seller... Jade by Nikolai. Her mother has been in the business forever. They can also get what ever you want. They are in Hawaii but ship anywhere.

I believe that People in Asia have a much easier time getting jade because it's all around. In the West, except for in international cities, one truly has to search for it. So patience patience!!! When ordering online, make sure there is a return policy in case you have an unforeseen issue with the item. Jadeite can be hard to photograph and can look different in various lights. The pictures online usually represent the very best that a piece will look.

 

[Bluegemz]

How about 2 bunches of grape jadeite earrings to go with the ring? I'd so love a pair for earrings!

I would love to find more of these jade balls, but cannot find the color anywhere! I've tried to do just that, make earrings. The jade I find is always darker green. I might have to just commission someone to cut some. You are right, they would be fantastic and delightful earrings.

 

[Bluegemz]

One more seller for now...JYBEAUTYAT on etsy. I have not purchased from them personally, but I know of people who have.

 

[valeria101]

people always smile at my grape ring

I am smiling too !

The concept & the colour reminds me of a series of grape brooches - never not a hit since Olive started them: this one WWW is a relatively small, simple & early one which shows very well what endears these to me - the sculpted twigs detailed enough to stand for botanical models (ref. WWW & another)

[Digressing: Thank you for all the references on jade ... ]

 

[Bluegemz]

I am smiling too !

The concept & the colour reminds me of a series of grape brooches - never not a hit since Olive started them: this one WWW is a relatively small, simple & early one which shows very well what endears these to me - the sculpted twigs detailed enough to stand for botanical models (ref. WWW & another)

[Digressing: Thank you for all the references on jade ... ]

Ah Valeria, those are increadibly romantic and beautiful! Such lyrical forms in the branches!

 

[Bluegemz]

It's also helpful to understand the jadeite market. Boulders are auctioned off by government auctions, I believe 2 times a year. Chinese buyers take risks with these boulders, as only small windows are cut so that one can see into the boulder, beyond the crust. They have to guess what the inside is like. Fortunes are made and broken in this gamble. Then they get processed in Chinese factories, such as jadefinejewelry.

The YouTube videos such as one called 'Myanmar jade & gems Emporium Auction 2016 by Heaven's StoneZ. One sees the different inherent qualities in the boulders, which I described. Videos by Fredericko Barlocher are also quite good. Also on YouTube, there is a great video about Chinese white mountain jade, mined in the Himalayas. A very moving film! It's called, ' Jade Hunters Of China.' This is about beautiful, white nephrite jade. This is really a must see.

 

[valeria101]

I have lost track of these things for too long !

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Digressing

Your mention of Barlocher reminds me of an obscure hint I keep hearig: that (natural) pearls & jade(s) go together - not sure I get it. Then again, their intractable aesthetics share in the same madness: so much easier to decide on a personal choice, even for meº - so impossible to classify, for what I know (tradeoff not unexpected !) ...


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º I love the bluish-greens that you also love !
And something else: a sort of jadeite packing bundles of large crystals, as if intrinsically faceted: if these were pearls, the pattern would be called 'flame' ! - a rather disorderly, checkerboard-ey kind. A pair of pink bangles of such jadeite are responsible for setting me off [also unsual for size - they could have been anklets]. I was once told that my beloved textured jadeite is the skin off those bounders - however, nobody is giving such away ...

 

[Bluegemz]

I have lost track of these things for too long !

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Digressing

Your mention of Barlocher reminds me of an obscure hint I keep hearig: that (natural) pearls & jade(s) go together - not sure I get it. Then again, their intractable aesthetics share in the same madness: so much easier to decide on a personal choice, even for meº - so impossible to classify, for what I know (tradeoff not unexpected !) ...


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º I love the bluish-greens that you also love !
And something else: a sort of jadeite packing bundles of large crystals, as if intrinsically faceted: if these were pearls, the pattern would be called 'flame' ! - a rather disorderly, checkerboard-ey kind. A pair of pink bangles of such jadeite are responsible for setting me off [also unsual for size - they could have been anklets]. I was once told that my beloved textured jadeite is the skin off those bounders - however, nobody is giving such away ...

Yes I've heard that too about jadeite and natural pearls. I can imagine it well with very luminous, water jade. Or, a clasp of strong colored jade, like a lavender with jade with Kasumi fresh water pearls.
I love that flame pattern, and love also the crusts of the boulders, as there is so much character. Love the way these carved bangles integrate colors from the skin of the boulder...

 

[freezing_in_MO]

Many, many thanks for your kind reply. You are well-informed and generous with your knowledge. May jewelry karma bring you more beautiful pieces!

I'm truly pleased that you're getting inspired. That bangle is 100k, but could privately be negotiated down to about half of that.

i would start by looking at the range in types of jade at jadefinejewelry. Everything listed is overpriced and needs to be negotiated, so they may not be the best if you don't like negotiating. They are a huge producer of jade and can help you find things. They have only sold A grade, to my knowledge, and I've had acquaintances who have purchased and then sent things to be tested at the GIA. Results are always A grade, untreated. They have a lot of inventory not listed, and sell bangles that are into the millions, so they can get anything you want.

Other sellers are ultimatejadeite, Desiretreasure (also negotiate for about half) and there are numerous other sellers I could list off. Maybe start by looking at jadefinejewelry for ideas in what's out there. Remember that the prices will seem daunting, but they will work with you. There are some other places I will post when I remember the names.

Also, you could buy secondary market which might save you money and you can find older jade types that are snatched up super fast on the new market by jade buyers. One sometimes has a better chance of getting uniquely beautiful things this way. For example, I bought my antique carved bangle from a woman who's father was in the jade business for many years. I love that it's old. One needs to be careful going this route because you need to have some knowledge, and trust the seller's. Often people don't really know what they are selling. I saw a green agate bangle selling for 2k because the seller thought it was jade...that kind of thing.

Alohamemorabilia on etsy and ruby lane has vintage jadeite. They know their jade and are careful to sell untreated. Check out thier Facebook pictures! I hope this is a start.

Oh, there is a seller on eBay by the name of Piccolinagems, who has a few bangles and pendants. She is selling secondary market, but high quality, A grade. She might be able to help direct you also.

There are many fake certificates out there. Just because it says 'verified' doesn't mean that it is. Jadeite market is rife with trickery, truly. Watch out for terms like 'AAA' ...there is no such thing, only A grade. Common sense helps here. You are not going to find a translucent, lavender bangle with fine grain and strong color for just a few hundred dollars. ..on any cerificate, look for a lab number of the item. You should be able to pull up the lab, enter the is number, and pull up a picture of the jade piece.with all of the details..there's a lot more to it than that, but feel free to ask questions as you go along!

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[valeria101]

Yes I've heard that too about jadeite and natural pearls. ...
I love that flame pattern, and love also the crusts of the boulders

Those are - beautiful !

This is the kind of texture I had in mind: WWW ; seems reasonablty respected in bright colors.

 

[Bluegemz]

Many, many thanks for your kind reply. You are well-informed and generous with your knowledge. May jewelry karma bring you more beautiful pieces!


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It's truly my pleasure!

 

[Bluegemz]

Those are - beautiful !

This is the kind of texture I had in mind: WWW ; seems reasonablty respected in bright colors.

Beautiful! I now know exactly what you're describing!

 

[normanintheskywithsapphires]

Aaaah! How many beautiful things to discover in this part of the collector world....

 

[Arkteia]

jade obsession is contagious

A ring gold, jade, diamonds and tourmaline

 

[Bluegemz]

That's a really interesting color combination. Very, very unusual! The colors remind me of what the interior colors of a palace room might look like. Very rich combination!

 

[Arkteia]

That's a really interesting color combination. Very, very unusual! The colors remind me of what the interior colors of a palace room might look like. Very rich combination!

Bluegemz, you are absolutely right, late baroque colors...

 

[Arkteia]

I remember the book that probably was the start of my gems obsession, "Tales about colored stones" by Alexander Fersman, a Russian book that I read at the age of 8. (Fersman lived in the Soviet Union in tough XX century and if I am not mistaken, he was the expert on what treasures of the Diamond Fund should be sold abroad by the Bolsheviks to raise money for their economic projects). I still remember the five "real gem stones" he mentioned, diamond, sapphire, ruby, emerald and noble spinel. And then he mentioned "jadeite" along the same lines. And I could not understand what it was, although nephrite was abound in the Soviet Union. (There is some cross-usage of these two terms, if I am not mistaken, at least what they called nephrite could be jade, and vise versa).

 

[Sagebrush]

Fersman wrote several books in German and Russian (including Der Diamont, Eine Study..., 1911 which Sinkankas calls the best study of diamond morphology) including the one you mention on the Diamond Fund. That one is exceptionally rare and very expensive. I did a great deal of research on jade between the publication of the 1st and 2nd editions of my book. The best education I got was at the Hong Kong show from a group of dealers collectively referred to as "Jade Row". If you want to compare the qualities of jade, that is the place to do it.

The basics of connoisseurship can be summed up by what Ng & Root the authors of Jade For You 1984, call the 3Cs and Two Ts. (Color, cut, clarity, transparency and texture) or what I call the 4Cs of connoisseurship; (color, cut, clarity and crystal.) There are other subtleties but that is a good start.

 

[Neil 1231]

In Chinese we call Jadeite to Fei Cui, Fei mean red and Cui mean green .
There are three original born colour in Fei Cui
White,green,purple
But also Fei Cui have side born colour
yellow,red,black,base oil,base gray

 

[Neil 1231]

Fersman wrote several books in German and Russian (including Der Diamont, Eine Study..., 1911 which Sinkankas calls the best study of diamond morphology) including the one you mention on the Diamond Fund. That one is exceptionally rare and very expensive. I did a great deal of research on jade between the publication of the 1st and 2nd editions of my book. The best education I got was at the Hong Kong show from a group of dealers collectively referred to as "Jade Row". If you want to compare the qualities of jade, that is the place to do it.

The basics of connoisseurship can be summed up by what Ng & Root the authors of Jade For You 1984, call the 3Cs and Two Ts. (Color, cut, clarity, transparency and texture) or what I call the 4Cs of connoisseurship; (color, cut, clarity and crystal.) There are other subtleties but that is a good start.

You a right, but the most important is transparency and texture, in Chinese we call base quality, there are four important key point in jade quality,first transparency and texture,second colour,third carving

 

[valeria101]

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There are three original born colour ... But also ... side born colour

Is there a colour theory behind these terms ? ("born" color)

[History of science is a weakness ... ]

 

[valeria101]

You are right [re. color, cut, clarity, crystal], but the most important is transparency and texture

Perhaps irrelevantly

- "crystal" & "texture" do come together in a technical context: please find a definition of "crystallographic texture" on this page WWW.

I do not know if any jade has particularly interesting texture, in this sense.

 

[Neil 1231]

Is there a colour theory behind these terms ? ("born" color)

[History of science is a weakness ... ]

Yes it's , but all is write in Chinese
`Born´ means The naturally colour
`Side born´ means can have different colors when impurities are present.
Im already use the most easy way to explain
Sorry my bad English

 

[Neil 1231]

Perhaps irrelevantly

- "crystal" & "texture" do come together in a technical context: please find a definition of "crystallographic texture" on this page WWW.

I do not know if any jade has particularly interesting texture, in this sense.

Perhaps irrelevantly

- "crystal" & "texture" do come together in a technical context: please find a definition of "crystallographic texture" on this page WWW.

I do not know if any jade has particularly interesting texture, in this sense.

Perhaps irrelevantly

- "crystal" & "texture" do come together in a technical context: please find a definition of "crystallographic texture" on this page WWW.

I do not know if any jade has particularly interesting texture, in this sense.

In jade less crystal means the transparency is good but it doesn't mean the texture is good

I know Jade is a difficult thing to understand

 

[Burmesedaze]

The jade mine owners here always tell me that for jade, it's about the jade speaking to you. So different strokes (and jade) for different folks. Some may value colour over the translucency and vice versa. The amazing variety of colours, types of jade, shape, texture, translucency and carvings is boundless. This also means that pricing is very subjective, which is why the jade traders love the game.

So if all else is too mind boggling, just go with the heart. And budget.

 

[Neil 1231]

The jade mine owners here always tell me that for jade, it's about the jade speaking to you. So different strokes (and jade) for different folks. Some may value colour over the translucency and vice versa. The amazing variety of colours, types of jade, shape, texture, translucency and carvings is boundless. This also means that pricing is very subjective, which is why the jade traders love the game.

So if all else is too mind boggling, just go with the heart. And budget.

Haha you a right , like my father said "if you like it , it is jade , if you don't it just a stone"

 

[Burmesedaze]

Haha you a right , like my father said "if you like it , it is jade , if you don't it just a stone"

Like, how much is something worth or valued? As much as anyone is willing to offer no more than that!

 

[Neil 1231]

Let me sure one of my favorite collection