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CurlySue

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OK, ladies... I need your wisdom. I apologize in advance for the length of this.

Backstory - one of my closest friends is getting married this fall. I''ve known her for over 15 years. She''s an incredible woman - brilliant, beautiful, fit, witty, spunky... I just love her to pieces and admire her in many ways. She got engaged this past winter to a man she dated for over 7 years (and lived with for 6 of them). She is in her early 30s, he is almost 40. Their relationship has been VERY rocky, primarily b/c of how long it took for them to get engaged (technically, that was the symptom and not the cause of the issues, but you get the idea). Throughout their rocky periods, I learned A LOT about the "dark side" of their relationship. There were periods of time when she admitted she was losing her self-esteem, she threatened to leave (but never did), etc. My perception of their relationship is that there have been more lows than highs.

Anyway - they got engaged. She was happy. Wedding planning ensued. Etc., etc.

She hasn''t been sharing a ton of wedding details via email (which is our primary mode of communication these days), so I decided to call her to catch up and see how things were going. I asked her if she was excited.

She said, "Not really... I mean, real life has been sort of getting in the way. You know, relationship stress and stuff like that." Then she shares a story about how her FI has been reacting to some aspects of the planning (which ANGERED me greatly but I said nothing)... and then she says, "I promised myself I wasn''t going to do this. I said I wasn''t going to talk about how things weren''t going well between us, because people wouldn''t be excited about the wedding."

Ugh.

I didn''t really know how to respond - on one hand, she opened the door to talk about what was going on, but on the other hand, I could genuinely sense she wanted to avoid it. So I let it go. I rationalized it away for her, because it seemed right in the moment - I said I understood how all the planning can get stressful and I was sure that''s all it is. The conversation went on and that was that.

But - I am just distraught at what I heard in her voice and the way she responded. There was no joy. I could hear the stress in her voice. I know this girl. I think there is something much deeper going on, and I''m worried about her.

I''m thinking I should reach back out to her to let her know I''m here if she wants to talk more about what''s going on with them.

But my fear in calling back is that, well, we have rehashed all of their past issues a zillion times over the past seven years. I''m fairly confident she knows what she''s signing up for, and I''m not sure that us talking more about their issues is going to do much good, other than giving her a place to vent. And I don''t want to make her feel bad - she herself said she still wanted people to be excited about the wedding. I feel like if I reach out to her, she''ll be embarrassed and will regret saying anything to me in our other phone call.

So my question is this...

If you were her - would you want me to call back to see if she wanted to talk about what''s going on? Or would you want me to let it go?
 
wow. that is tough for your friend.
you say that she (and you?) do not want to rehash old history. Then, don''t. Continue to allow her to divuldge the details, and let her know, that no matter what, you still support her 100%, and that you will be a strong and sturdy ear/shoulder for her.

it''ll be rough, especially becuase that *will* take away the excitement of watching your friend plan the wedding. but it sounds like she just really needs a ear to listen (to her).
 
Wow, first of all I''m so sorry you have to be in this sort of situation. It''s so difficult to watch a friend suffer.

Honestly, I have been her before. I had a past relationship that I thought would turn into a fairy tale. But it was not as great as I thought it was. I often wanted to express my feelings about the relationship but was always afraid that I would appear foolish or that I would cast my bf in a bad light. When my friends told me I should stand up for myself, or that my bf was a jerk- I was embarassed that I told them about our problems. I wanted us to be the perfect couple and we were looking less & less like it the more I spoke about our problems. So I just decided to shut up and when I did let something slip, I just sugar coated it & excused it away as soon as possible. Anything to save face. No matter what my friends said, I wasn''t going to listen to them.... I wasn''t ready to listen to them. I thought the highs of our relatiionship outweighed the lows. I was in denial. And until I was able to face the facts myself, I continued to sugar coat everything & put on a happy face.

I suggest you let her know that she can always talk to you & you won''t judge her. That you''ll be a place for her to vent & if she does want advice, you''ll give it to her but you won''t force it on her. When she finally comes out of the trance, she''ll need to lean on someone who won''t criticize her.

Goodluck sweetheart!
 
Date: 6/9/2009 6:15:25 PM
Author: rialaine
I suggest you let her know that she can always talk to you & you won''t judge her. That you''ll be a place for her to vent & if she does want advice, you''ll give it to her but you won''t force it on her. When she finally comes out of the trance, she''ll need to lean on someone who won''t criticize her.

great advice
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and tell her you''ll always be excited for her wedding because you''ll love seeing her happy, so you''re completely safe to vent to so she doesn''t have to worry about accidentally exploding on anyone else. then just be inexplicably happy for the wedding, if nothing else there''s always pixi sticks for pseudo-bounciness
 
Thanks for the input, ladies. I am going to send her a note today - not really mention anything about her FI/their relationship - but just let her know I''m here for her if she needs to talk about anything/everything as she goes through the stressful planning time. We''ll see if she responds. I think if she really wants to let it all out, she will.

Rialine - special thanks for sharing your experience. My sense is that she feels a lot like you felt in your prior relationship.

I just want her to be happy and to feel like she has made the choices that are right for her and what she wants in life.
 
I think a lot of us either was a friend like that or had a friend like that, and as hard as it is you can''t make someone see that they can find a happier relationship, or make someone stand up for themselves. As others have said I would just be there to listen if she wants to talk but I wouldn''t force it.
 
You''re welcome. Best wishes to you & your friend!
 
Wow, this is tough.
Honestly, it sounds like your friend might be in an abusive relationship. It's a common trend for women in these situations not to get out of it, because their partner has made them believe that they do not deserve better.
So if I were her, I would probably want you to leave it.
But if I were you... I would try to help her. Try to get her to share what has been happening. Then speak to a counsellor to find out how you should proceed. If there is any way you can get her out of this situation, do it.
The statistics of women being killed by their partner eventually are high, and scary. An emotionally abusive partner often becomes physically abusive.
This might sound over the top, but unfortunately it's reality.

Good luck!
 
You only have to love your friends, not their choices.

So, love and support your friend. If she ends up getting divorced, or breaking off the engagement, you can support her in that too.
 
A person will never hear what they don''t want to hear- as much as you''d like to tell her that you think that he is not the best choice for her right now, she''ll most likely end up resenting you for it, or feeling less comfortable in confiding in you in the future. I think the fact that you sent a note telling her that you''d be there if she needed anything was a great way to go- especially since it seems like you made it sound just about the stresses of wedding planning. Be there, offer support, and just be the good friend you are
 
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