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Hi guys, have been reading the forum for the last couple of days. After reading all the advice you guys have been giving out, I thought this might be the place to help me.

I plan on proposing to my GF this year and I have found a setting its a 3 ring with the 2 outside ones coming up to the diamond and the middle one going under the diamond and all the rings are attached and have diamonds on it. Very beautiful, as soon as I saw her try it I knew it was the one.

Now the hard part, the jeweller I went to that has this setting is selling the setting for a good price but the diamond is crap compared to what I found online on sites like BGD, White Flash, James Allen and Blue Nile. The diamond she was "willing" to give it to me was a Princess Cut Color - I, Clarity - SI2, .53 Carat, no idea on the cut and she didn''t have a certificate, said if I wanted one I''d have to pay for it. The diamond did look nice but the cost of it was $3,000.00 CAD and she said she could drop it to $2000.00 CAD for me.

I still felt like this was a rip off as now I have learned that I def want a GIA or a AGS certificate with my diamond. Now I am ready to buy a diamond online and take it to them to put it in to that setting, but wanted to ask you guys a couple of questions. Is it perfectly okay to buy a diamond online? I am from Canada but can get it shipped to a family member in U.S and then get them to send it to me so to save on Customs, is that a better idea?, Will the jeweller mind if I didn''t get the diamond from them and only asked that they put the diamond in the setting? The setting already came with a princess cut 0.75 Ct but I was wondering would any princess cut go in to the setting like getting it fitted in or would certain girldle or size not go in there?

The diamond I found was from White flash is .73 Carat - Price 1,700 USD
Table - 69%
Depth - 72%
Cut - Very good
Clarity - SI2
Color - F

Some other stuff is missing...I can get it if you need it. Thank you for the help.
 
I can answer some of this;

Jewellery stores may not set stones or sell you a setting if you didn''t buy the diamond from them. It''s best to ask ahead of time.

I''d pay the import duty, there are usually severe fines if you are caught by customs.

Someone brighter than me will be along to comment on the diamond - but reserving it and posting a link for ease would be a good idea. The necessary stats and photos should be on the WF site, colour and clarity aren''t all that matter.

Good luck!
 
Pay the custom, even if you come and pick it up yourself, as it is illegal to do otherwise. Also, if your relatives are sending it by mail, they will need to declare the value of the parcel for it to be insured anyway and the custom will see that.

There are many Canadians on PS that buy from the US online.

Some jeweler will not set stones that they did not sell so you will have to ask the vendor of the setting.

Depends on the setting what size stone it will fit, usually it is given as the dimensions of the stone or carat weight.

Only AGS grades the cut performance of princess, but if a vendor can provide ASET image, that will allow one to determine the cut performance of the stone.
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=education-performance
 
Date: 2/12/2010 10:42:01 AM
Author:hussein03
Hi guys, have been reading the forum for the last couple of days. After reading all the advice you guys have been giving out, I thought this might be the place to help me.

I plan on proposing to my GF this year and I have found a setting its a 3 ring with the 2 outside ones coming up to the diamond and the middle one going under the diamond and all the rings are attached and have diamonds on it. Very beautiful, as soon as I saw her try it I knew it was the one.

Now the hard part, the jeweller I went to that has this setting is selling the setting for a good price but the diamond is crap compared to what I found online on sites like BGD, White Flash, James Allen and Blue Nile. The diamond she was 'willing' to give it to me was a Princess Cut Color - I, Clarity - SI2, .53 Carat, no idea on the cut and she didn't have a certificate, said if I wanted one I'd have to pay for it. The diamond did look nice but the cost of it was $3,000.00 CAD and she said she could drop it to $2000.00 CAD for me.

I still felt like this was a rip off as now I have learned that I def want a GIA or a AGS certificate with my diamond. Now I am ready to buy a diamond online and take it to them to put it in to that setting, but wanted to ask you guys a couple of questions. Is it perfectly okay to buy a diamond online? I am from Canada but can get it shipped to a family member in U.S and then get them to send it to me so to save on Customs, is that a better idea?, Will the jeweller mind if I didn't get the diamond from them and only asked that they put the diamond in the setting? The setting already came with a princess cut 0.75 Ct but I was wondering would any princess cut go in to the setting like getting it fitted in or would certain girldle or size not go in there?

The diamond I found was from White flash is .73 Carat - Price 1,700 USD
Table - 69%
Depth - 72%
Cut - Very good
Clarity - SI2
Color - F

Some other stuff is missing...I can get it if you need it. Thank you for the help.
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Hi Hussein and welcome!

Firstly I would not try to bypass paying customs charges, it is illegal and there are serious consequences if you try to do so and are caught.

With the diamond you are interested in, can you post the images please such as the Idealscope, ASET and photograph from Whiteflash if it is one of their inventory diamonds? You don't have to post the actual link in case the stone gets poached but the images would help us to help you.

As to buying online, it is perfectly fine to purchase this way if you work with a trusted vendor, many of us have done so with excellent results and would do so again in a heartbeat! If you work with one of the PS vendors you will be in very safe and capable hands!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Date: 2/12/2010 12:13:19 PM
Author: hussein03
Hey guys thanks for your responses. here is the link from Whiteflash website.

http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/princess-cut-diamond-2246946.htm

My budget is around $1,500 - $2,000 CAD for the diamond. It needs to be a princess cut, very good cut, G-I, VS1-SI1 about a .60-.75 Carat.
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Thanks Hussein! This is what is called a virtual stone, it isn't one of WF's inventory so they would need to call it in for evaluation.

We can take a look to see whats out there that might suit you.

Here is a beautiful diamond, $100 over budget but could be an excellent choice if eyeclean ( check with GOG if interested) and that the grade making clouds aren't impacting performance ( I very much doubt there would be an issue but best to check).

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6955/

J colour gives a few more options

http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/whiteflash-aca-princess-cut-diamond-114414.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/whiteflash-aca-princess-cut-diamond-312235.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/aca_princess/whiteflash-aca-princess-cut-diamond-166520.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/princess-cut-diamond-336528.htm#
 
I am Canadian and have bought a bunch of times from the US. Yo udo not pay any import duties or fees when you buy from the US. All you pay is PST and GST, which you should pay in Canada anyways. So there is no monetary downside to buying from the US. Import it properly and don''t try to scam customes, and do not buy from a Canadian "jeweler" who offers to sell it to you tax free if you pay cash. You need to have everything done on the up and up in case anything goes wrong and you need to get a refund. Without proper documentation, you are not protected as a consumer. So spend the extra money to pay the taxes and do it right.

Cut is everything, and I would persoally buy an AGSO princess cut or one that is in house at a preferred vendor who provides all the images to make sure it is a great cut. You will be hard pressed to get above the .70ct mark and get a great cut, but I would rather see you go down in size than compromise cut quality.

As for the setting, you really need to have the person who sells you the diamond set the diamond. They wil ltake responsibility for damage to the loose diamond whereas your local jeweler will not, and with a princess cut this really matters. If you love the setting you saw, but it calibrated to fit the diamond you end up selecting, then send it to the diamond vendor to set. It will be much safaer that way.

I like this one, but it stretches your budget:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6955/
 
Date: 2/12/2010 12:23:35 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 2/12/2010 12:13:19 PM
Author: hussein03
Hey guys thanks for your responses. here is the link from Whiteflash website.

http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/princess-cut-diamond-2246946.htm

My budget is around $1,500 - $2,000 CAD for the diamond. It needs to be a princess cut, very good cut, G-I, VS1-SI1 about a .60-.75 Carat.
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Thanks Hussein! This is what is called a virtual stone, it isn''t one of WF''s inventory so they would need to call it in for evaluation.

We can take a look to see whats out there that might suit you.

Here is a beautiful diamond, $100 over budget but could be an excellent choice if eyeclean ( check with GOG if interested) and that the grade making clouds aren''t impacting performance ( I very much doubt there would be an issue but best to check).

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6955/
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haha... I didn''t read your post and suggested the same one
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Thanks guys, that is an excellent diamond. A little over my budget but a good one. Need to see about shipping and taxes and all that from that website.
 
Date: 2/12/2010 12:33:25 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 2/12/2010 12:23:35 PM
Author: Lorelei


Date: 2/12/2010 12:13:19 PM
Author: hussein03
Hey guys thanks for your responses. here is the link from Whiteflash website.

http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/princess-cut-diamond-2246946.htm

My budget is around $1,500 - $2,000 CAD for the diamond. It needs to be a princess cut, very good cut, G-I, VS1-SI1 about a .60-.75 Carat.
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Thanks Hussein! This is what is called a virtual stone, it isn''t one of WF''s inventory so they would need to call it in for evaluation.

We can take a look to see whats out there that might suit you.

Here is a beautiful diamond, $100 over budget but could be an excellent choice if eyeclean ( check with GOG if interested) and that the grade making clouds aren''t impacting performance ( I very much doubt there would be an issue but best to check).

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6955/
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haha... I didn''t read your post and suggested the same one
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Date: 2/12/2010 12:34:35 PM
Author: hussein03
Thanks guys, that is an excellent diamond. A little over my budget but a good one. Need to see about shipping and taxes and all that from that website.
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I edited my post above Hussein and added a few more diamonds of J colour, take a look and see what you think.
 
Here is the thing, she really loves the setting and so do I. We think its perfect so I am going to call them up today and ask them about setting the diamond in to the setting and if they say no, can I buy the setting and send it to this company goodoldgold/Whiteflash and get it fitted?

Thanks************you guys are good.
 
Lorelei those are some excellent choices, do you think J is really low in color or because of the optimal cut it won''t matter? I see that most of you guys prefer a superior cut over a higher color and clarity.
 
Hussein, do you have a picture of the setting or know who made it? Because it''s possible one of the PS vendors has either that setting or something similar. That way you could get the stone and setting all in one place and get a completed ring shipped to you.
 
That''s not a bad idea, I do have a picture of the setting from the Jewellers book. This Jeweller isn''t from a mall or anything, its in a small town just outside of London, ON. They are really nice and really professional, I will try and get you a picture but I just want to make sure I am not breaking their rules but taking their setting and going to somebody else.

I really like the people I just don''t like their diamond. As I said they were offering me a 0.53 carat Princess Cut, I, SI2 and no idea on the cut nor any certification for $2000 and the Setting for $900 and everything with taxes all in for $3,300 CAD. The diamond did look nice but I knew for $2000 I could def get a bigger diamond I don''t mind if it is a little smaller or a bit under 0.70 even just want it to be a nice one and if I can get it shipped and taxes in for less than $2000 that would be fantastic.

Just wanted to thank you guys once again.
 
Date: 2/12/2010 1:25:10 PM
Author: hussein03
That''s not a bad idea, I do have a picture of the setting from the Jewellers book.
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Was it from a catalogue? If so, might have been a stock setting. If it was from their own special catalogue---especially if you know they''re designers---that might be different.
 
Thank you Lorelei, I am going to do some more search on Whiteflash and look for some more diamonds on there. Those are a bit out of my range as the price increases after you include the taxes and exchange rate and all that.

So just wanted to ask you guys another thing, getting a J with super ideal cut is okay and that it doesn''t have to be a G with a very good cut?
 
Really, the cut is what makes the diamond do what a diamond should do -- sparkle and shine and flash lights at you
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So I would rather have a well cut J over a lesser G. But princess cuts show more color than RBs and if the setting has diamonds you might see some contrast between the J diamond and the setting. You may need to go smaller to stay in budget and maximize cut.
 
Date: 2/12/2010 12:40:53 PM
Author: hussein03
Lorelei those are some excellent choices, do you think J is really low in color or because of the optimal cut it won't matter? I see that most of you guys prefer a superior cut over a higher color and clarity.
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Hussein, a J colour is perfectly fine and still white to me with a top cut Princess - such as the ones I posted.


Ditto Dreamer below.


Date: 2/13/2010 12:31:09 AM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
Really, the cut is what makes the diamond do what a diamond should do -- sparkle and shine and flash lights at you
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So I would rather have a well cut J over a lesser G. But princess cuts show more color than RBs and if the setting has diamonds you might see some contrast between the J diamond and the setting. You may need to go smaller to stay in budget and maximize cut.
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Hi guys, thanks for all your help with the diamond. This is the setting I was looking at, if anybody knows of any place on the web that has this or would be willing to create it please let me know

Thank you for all your guy''s help.

Let me know what you think. Sorry its not too clear, I''ll get a better one tomorrow.

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I am fairly certain that is a stock setting. My mother in law has that ring I think! With a round though. Pick a place to buy the diamond, then when you have selected it show them the picture. If they cannot get the setting, then order it in the correct mm measurements from the place you have seen it, and then send it to the vendor to set!
 
I am sorry dreamer, I don''t know what you mean. Do you mean order it to the correct mm measurements of the diamond from the Jeweller?

I am thinking of sending this picture to Whiteflash as they have the diamond and would like to see if they have this setting in stock.

Thank you.
 
Date: 2/17/2010 12:14:43 AM
Author: hussein03
I am sorry dreamer, I don''t know what you mean. Do you mean order it to the correct mm measurements of the diamond from the Jeweller?

I am thinking of sending this picture to Whiteflash as they have the diamond and would like to see if they have this setting in stock.

Thank you.
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Sorry, stock settings are manufactured by a few casting companies and any vendor can order them. I suspect the setting you like is such a stock setting, meaning that WF or a similar vendor should be able to find it for you. If it is not a stock setting and they instead make it custom it will cost a *lot* more. A setting like that would be over $2k I would guess, if made custom.

Settings come calibrated to fit certain sized diamonds. You can buy a setting calibrated to fit a diamond with dimensions like the one you buy -- say 6mm square or something like that. So potentially you could order the setting from the vendor who has it, ready to fit a diamond of certain measurements, and then send it to WF to set. But they may not agree to that, you will need to ask them. I suspect that the setting comes from a major casting company though, so maybe WF can track it down for you.
 
I think you might be right...it might be a stock setting as the price for tha setting was $850 CAD...I hope WF can find it for me, if they can''t then I will just have to order the diamond directly from WF and go the jeweller to get it fitted.

Thanks Dreamer and Lorelei.
 
Date: 2/17/2010 12:41:06 AM
Author: hussein03
Well here it is...I just found it.

http://www.annedale.com/bridal/nice-ice/prod_500.html

That''s the link and the stock number is WB5596E.

Do you guys think WF would be able to do it? I can''t wait till tomorrow to find out.
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That is the stock number for that particular vendor. but since you have seen it at a couple of places, it means it is a mass produced item. Hoepfully WF can find it for you!

The major setting producers are:

www.stuller.com
www.adwar.com
www.uniquesettings.com

These companies cast the metal and then the vendor, like WF, would set the diamonds. Other companies will sell rings with the diamonds already set. Anyways, I really hope they can find it for you!
 
Date: 2/17/2010 12:57:26 AM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 2/17/2010 12:41:06 AM
Author: hussein03
Well here it is...I just found it.

http://www.annedale.com/bridal/nice-ice/prod_500.html

That''s the link and the stock number is WB5596E.

Do you guys think WF would be able to do it? I can''t wait till tomorrow to find out.
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That is the stock number for that particular vendor. but since you have seen it at a couple of places, it means it is a mass produced item. Hoepfully WF can find it for you!

The major setting producers are:

www.stuller.com
www.adwar.com
www.uniquesettings.com

These companies cast the metal and then the vendor, like WF, would set the diamonds. Other companies will sell rings with the diamonds already set. Anyways, I really hope they can find it for you!
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Ditto, they might be able to if you ask them.
 
Hey guys...just heard back from WF and they said they were not able to find the manufacturer of the ring but they could make it but I figured it would be expensive for me to do that. So I might just order the diamond from them and get it set in at the jeweller.

Lets see what the jeweller says once he gets back from his vacation.
 
Date: 2/17/2010 12:15:48 PM
Author: hussein03
Hey guys...just heard back from WF and they said they were not able to find the manufacturer of the ring but they could make it but I figured it would be expensive for me to do that. So I might just order the diamond from them and get it set in at the jeweller.

Lets see what the jeweller says once he gets back from his vacation.
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You could do that or it might be possible to arrange with them to set the diamond in the setting for you if you sent it to them, if you ask them they would be able to tell you if this is feasible.
 
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