Need help for princess cut

[littlecircle]

Hello!

Very new to diamond, but trying to learn how to get a perfect princess cut within budget. Currently I have my eyes on four, all Whiteflash's ACA, around 1ct, arranged below from big to small. (That is way too many options for me!)

I'd be grateful for any input!! Thank you!

NO.1
I VS2


DIAMOND PERFORMANCE

Cut	Ideal
Light Performance	Ideal
Polish	Ideal
Symmetry	Ideal
Fluorescence	Negligible
Eye-Clean	Yes
Culet	Pointed

DIAMOND SPECIFICATIONS

Depth %	74.3
Table %	69.8
Crown Angle	40.5
Star %	0.0
Pavilion Angle	40.2
Crown %	12.1
Lower Girdle %	0.0

NO.2
I SI1

DIAMOND PERFORMANCE

Cut	Ideal
Light Performance	Ideal
Polish	Ideal
Symmetry	Ideal
Fluorescence	Negligible
Eye-Clean	Yes
Culet	Pointed

DIAMOND SPECIFICATIONS

Depth %	74.3
Table %	71.0
Crown Angle	42.5
Star %	0.0
Pavilion Angle	40.3
Crown %	11.7
Lower Girdle %	0.0

NO.3
H VS2

DIAMOND PERFORMANCE

Cut	Ideal
Light Performance	Ideal
Polish	Ideal
Symmetry	Ideal
Fluorescence	Negligible
Eye-Clean	Yes
Culet	Pointed

DIAMOND SPECIFICATIONS

Depth %	74.4
Table %	71.2
Crown Angle	39.2
Star %	0.0
Pavilion Angle	40.5
Crown %	10.5
Lower Girdle %	0.0

NO.4
I VS1

DIAMOND PERFORMANCE

Cut	Ideal
Light Performance	Ideal
Polish	Ideal
Symmetry	Ideal
Fluorescence	Negligible
Eye-Clean	Yes
Culet	Pointed

DIAMOND SPECIFICATIONS

Depth %	76.9
Table %	58.9
Crown Angle	34.7
Star %	0.0
Pavilion Angle	40.5
Crown %	13.0

 

[flyingpig]

#4. Easy choice

 

[littlecircle]

#4. Easy choice

I am really impressed by the symmetric ASET image, but then I am not sure if that means anything LOL.

 

[mrs-b]

I like the H VS2. I think it will be noticeably whiter and the spread is as good as the others, despite it being .99ct. Its stats are great, as are all ACA stones, so to me, this is a no-brainer.

I gather you've bought the I VS1 as I can't see it on the WF website. Would have liked to have seen the dimensions of all these stones, as well as the cut specs.

 

[flyingpig]

I am really impressed by the symmetric ASET image, but then I am not sure if that means anything LOL.

#4. 58% Table and 13% Crown Height. Compare the diamonds in the videos.

 

[littlecircle]

Thank you!
Here is the side-by-side of the last two:

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I like the H VS2. I think it will be noticeably whiter and the spread is as good as the others, despite it being .99ct. Its stats are great, as are all ACA stones, so to me, this is a no-brainer.

I gather you've bought the I VS1 as I can't see it on the WF website. Would have liked to have seen the dimensions of all these stones, as well as the cut specs.

 

[mrs-b]

Thanks for that, @littlecircle -

So - yes. I definitely prefer the H VS2. I think the faceting pattern is better and cleaner - more balanced looking. I like that it's a tad larger in both ctw and spread, and I VERY much prefer its whiteness. Keep in mind, due to the tight faceting in the corners of a princess cut diamond, any tint will be more noticeable face up than it would be in a round cut diamond. So color is an issue.

At .993ct, I'd happily call that "a 1 ct stone". But at .965ct, I'd call the I VS1 an "almost 1 ct stone". To a woman, believe me, one of those sounds better than the other! It's also a few bucks cheaper.

So - again - being whiter, larger, higher ctw, prettier AND cheaper...the H VS2 is a no brainer for me.

 

[littlecircle]

Thanks for that, @littlecircle -

So - yes. I definitely prefer the H VS2. I think the faceting pattern is better and cleaner - more balanced looking. I like that it's a tad larger in both ctw and spread, and I VERY much prefer its whiteness. Keep in mind, due to the tight faceting in the corners of a princess cut diamond, any tint will be more noticeable face up than it would be in a round cut diamond. So color is an issue.

At .993ct, I'd happily call that "a 1 ct stone". But at .965ct, I'd call the I VS1 an "almost 1 ct stone". To a woman, believe me, one of those sounds better than the other! It's also a few bucks cheaper.

So - again - being whiter, larger, higher ctw, prettier AND cheaper...the H VS2 is a no brainer for me.

thank you! That's very important input. The SA told me the .965 would sparkle more, but yea the .993 is whiter. I also noticed the .993 has some feather, cloud, and crystal on report, while .965 has like one feather shown at the corner.

It is a real debate!

 

[flyingpig]

My biggest issue with princess cut diamonds in general are the large table and flat crown. It just looks one dimensional and the glare off the large table bothers viewing experience.
That is why I like the #4 with smaller table. And it definitely sparkles more.

 

[littlecircle]

My biggest issue with princess cut diamonds in general are the large table and flat crown. It just looks one dimensional and the glare off the large table bothers viewing experience.
That is why I like the #4 with smaller table. And it definitely sparkles more.

I noticed that small table too! It is "scary" to choose princess, hope it turns out well.

 

[mrs-b]

I noticed that small table too! It is "scary" to choose princess, hope it turns out well.

Have you already bought the I VS1? If so - comments at this point aren't really of help.

I prefer a small table on a round. But princess cuts in general have large tables, so to my eye, it makes no difference. I've owned many princess cuts, and a larger table has never made a difference to my eye, whereas color definitely does.

@flyingpig - I'm not sure what you mean re glare from the table. I've seen that effect in photos - but it's true of *any* size table. Never seen this in real life in any distinguishable manner, regardless of table size.

But - again - @littlecircle - have you already bought the stone? Because - if so, I'm not sure why we're having the conversation.

I definitely stand behind "cheaper, whiter, larger and prettier" tho! The faceting on the H VS2 is far prettier, to my eye ,and that's a difference you *will* see. But again - taste is relative and some people, for instance, prefer a tint to their diamonds. So it depends on what your girl likes.

 

[littlecircle]

Have you already bought the I VS1? If so - comments at this point aren't really of help.

I prefer a small table on a round. But princess cuts in general have large tables, so to my eye, it makes no difference. I've owned many princess cuts, and a larger table has never made a difference to my eye, whereas color definitely does.

@flyingpig - I'm not sure what you mean re glare from the table. I've seen that effect in photos - but it's true of *any* size table. Never seen this in real life in any distinguishable manner, regardless of table size.

But - again - @littlecircle - have you already bought the stone? Because - if so, I'm not sure why we're having the conversation.

I definitely stand behind "cheaper, whiter, larger and prettier" tho! The faceting on the H VS2 is far prettier, to my eye ,and that's a difference you *will* see. But again - taste is relative and some people, for instance, prefer a tint to their diamonds. So it depends on what your girl likes.

Thank you very much for your input! It is reserved but we still have time to change our mind. The discussion has been very helpful! I have also just noticed the .965 one is a bit deeper - been seeing different "ideal" depth ranges, but I guess it at least means a further cut on the area on the top. Probably not significant considering the size.

 

[tyty333]

Ask WF for side-by-side pictures of the ones you are interested in...say the last 2 H colored stones and the first bigger "I" colored stone. Ask for
the side view also so you can see any color difference.

 

[flyingpig]

@flyingpig - I'm not sure what you mean re glare from the table. I've seen that effect in photos - but it's true of *any* size table. Never seen this in real life in any distinguishable manner, regardless of table size.

Yes. You get glare regardless of table size. You can get glare from any facet. Having that said, the visual effect of glare off of a small table and a bigger table is different, which you can see in the videos here.
For the I VS1, the glare is very short-short lived and covers smaller area. For the H VS2, it is longer lasting. I do notice this IRL among diamonds of different table sizes.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

i love princess cuts so im learning from your thread
looking forward to seeing the finished ring

 

[littlecircle]

i love princess cuts so im learning from your thread
looking forward to seeing the finished ring

Welcome!
I went through the old posts, and there are many great info (and pictures)!

 

[flyingpig]

I am not pressuring or pushing you to get the I VS1. I like the H too, and respect and agree with what @mrs-b wrote. It has lovely facetting
Here is just a fun fact.

Bluenile lists 12,552 princess cut diamonds
There are 40 D/IF and 4 D/FL princess cut diamonds. The carat weight ranges from 0.23c to 5.02c.
There are 9 princess cut diamonds with table less than 59%. All 9 are Astor Ideal Branded. Only 1 has carat weight greater than 1.0c.

That 0.9c I VS1 is as rare as D/FL.
Princess cut diamonds are simply not cut in this way with small table.

 

[stonehunter20]

you can ask whiteflash to do side by side comp for these stones and even ask them to take videos of those stones under different lighting conditions to help you make a decision.

 

[littlecircle]

I am not pressuring or pushing you to get the I VS1. I like the H too, and respect and agree with what @mrs-b wrote. It has lovely facetting
Here is just a fun fact.

Bluenile lists 12,552 princess cut diamonds
There are 40 D/IF and 4 D/FL princess cut diamonds. The carat weight ranges from 0.23c to 5.02c.
There are 9 princess cut diamonds with table less than 59%. All 9 are Astor Ideal Branded. Only 1 has carat weight greater than 1.0c.

That 0.9c I VS1 is as rare as D/FL.
Princess cut diamonds are simply not cut in this way with small table.

That's very interesting! I came across this article that mentions a school that prefers small tables:

Princess Cut Diamond Buying Guide

Are you looking for a princess cut diamond ring? This buying guide for princess cut diamonds includes recommendations for color, cut quality and clarity.

www.diamonds.pro

So hard to choose but also lucky to have found two good ones!

 

[littlecircle]

Ask WF for side-by-side pictures of the ones you are interested in...say the last 2 H colored stones and the first bigger "I" colored stone. Ask for
the side view also so you can see any color difference.

Great advice, thank you.

 

[Matthews1127]

I’m with @mrs-b on this one.
She took the words right out of my mouth.
My second choice is the other most popular 0.9IVS1. I do love small tables, but HVS2 has beautiful facet patterns, and it faces up larger. I’m all about spread.
Not to mention, the H will be whiter than the I.

 

[littlecircle]

Thank you all very much.
I've asked to see more videos. Apparently they do not provide light-changing side-by-side videos. Only individual ones in different lighting, or side-by-side but not turning at the same time.
I believe it will be a great choice either way.

 

[kb1gra]

my preference is for the H. I much prefer the faceting.

Large table on a princess doesn't bother me. In general, I resist attempts to make other cuts look "more like" a round.

 

[diamondhoarder]

I voted No 3 for the whiter look and more appealing facet pattern.

 

[bright&shiny]

My ER is a princess of hearts (hearts and arrows square - which was an unexpected selection as I went in looking for an asscher or princess. The other two just didn't stand up to the POH. Everyone has different taste. I definitely prefer the smaller table stone, but you have to love it - so what ever strikes your fancy is the right stone for you.