need some help grading a diamond color and value

[EA21]

its worth 200$ even if it's an I or J ,you know this...
try look for an EGL I or j 0.79ct under 400-500$
good luck.

Please educate yourself.

i am trying. and i knowit's not a good diamond,but everything is Relative,and everything has a price. 200$ consider that no one is lying to me... is a very very good price.

 

[chrono]

A PS search brought up a 0.71 GIA J I2 for well under $400. This stone is likely to be whiter and cleaner than a equally graded EGL stone. I am sorry but it isn't really a deal at all.

 

[EA21]

A PS search brought up a 0.71 GIA J I2 for well under $400. This stone is likely to be whiter and cleaner than a equally graded EGL stone. I am sorry but it isn't really a deal at all.

0.71 is not 0.79
but i whould like to see a link please.

 

[chrono]

You can find it yourself using the search function at the top of the page. I cannot do this via smart phone. A GIA diamond carries FAR more weight and value than an EGL memo. That aside, do you know cut is what makes a diamond pretty, not the colour or clarity? I fail to understand why you would want such an included stone.

It is not the same one. It is listed as $370. I am sorry to say that you are the petty one, refusing to face the facts that are right in front of you. 0.71 is not 0.79, just the same way EGL is not GIA. Since you insist on bring correct and refuse to educate yourself, there is no further reason for me to reply to this thread.

 

[EA21]

oh i found it. 444$ J 0.71ct I2. and you can't even see the stone/color.8
i paid 203$.. come on. stop being petty.
and you can't get a very good cut or an overol decent diamond (0.70-80ct) in thoes prices any way... GIA or not.

***It is listed as $370

when you click the link it change to 444$.
but never mind.

 

[Dancing Fire]

oh i found it. 444$ J 0.71ct I2. and you can't even see the stone/color.
i paid 203$.. come on. stop being petty.

i feel sorry for ya...

 

[EA21]

oh i found it. 444$ J 0.71ct I2. and you can't even see the stone/color.
i paid 203$.. come on. stop being petty.

i feel sorry for ya...

yee, me too sometimes.
''

oh,the ego...

 

[denverappraiser]

I actually don't have a great problem with the grading on the white one. At I3 clarity, the difference between D-K color is remarkably little and GIA would charge $78 plus shipping to grade it. That's a major hit on a $200 stone where the grading results don't really make much difference in the price.

They describe the EGL service as a 'certificate of authenticity'. This is interesting to me. The various EGL's offer a lot of different services but I don't recall seeing this one. Perhaps it's something new that they're doing in India or just something I've missed over on my half of the world . When your stone arrives I would love it if you could post a copy of this document.

 

[EA21]

I actually don't have a great problem with the grading on the white one. At I3 clarity, the difference between D-K color is remarkably little and GIA would charge $78 plus shipping to grade it. That's a major hit on a $200 stone where the grading results don't really make much difference in the price.

They describe the EGL service as a 'certificate of authenticity'. This is interesting to me. The various EGL's offer a lot of different services but I don't recall seeing this one. Perhaps it's something new that they're doing in India or just something I've missed over on my half of the world . When your stone arrives I would love it if you could post a copy of this document.

no problem,i will post a copy,when the diamond arive.

 

[EA21]

I actually don't have a great problem with the grading on the white one. At I3 clarity, the difference between D-K color is remarkably little and GIA would charge $78 plus shipping to grade it. That's a major hit on a $200 stone where the grading results don't really make much difference in the price.

They describe the EGL service as a 'certificate of authenticity'. This is interesting to me. The various EGL's offer a lot of different services but I don't recall seeing this one. Perhaps it's something new that they're doing in India or just something I've missed over on my half of the world . When your stone arrives I would love it if you could post a copy of this document.

hi. didn't forget you.. here it is.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/j7xgzp.jpg

http://oi48.tinypic.com/15ojdae.jpg

 

[CharmyPoo]

Just send the diamonds to a professional appraiser and be done with it if you really want to know the specs and value.

For me, these diamonds are not expensive and no huge loss either way. The question is why you bought these diamonds - are you looking to resell and make a buck? If so, it will be harder because people won't usually buy a I2 diamond or a colored diamond of unknown quality if you are looking at high prices. I won an auction for a greenish-yellow stone for a better price but in the end "too good to be true" is just that with many of the oversea gem dealers.

Selling on ebay again? I don't see how a private seller can get more money than well established ebay vendors.

 

[Christina...]

If you read the warranty card is states that the Ct weight is based on the information provided by the seller. EGL did not verify this nor did they verify whether or not the stone had been treated in anyway. Treatments are not limited to color treatments either.

 

[diamonds-are-friends]

here's a caveat. if the vendor can make potentially ALOT more money by getting it graded at GIA or respectable labs, why didn't they do so?

These vendors are not newbies nor are they dumb.

 

[EA21]

If you read the warranty card is states that the Ct weight is based on the information provided by the seller. EGL did not verify this nor did they verify whether or not the stone had been treated in anyway. Treatments are not limited to color treatments either.

Christina- the weight is correct. don't need to be a gemologist in order to check this.
and as for Treatments.... you think it's I2 clarity after it was treated?? what it was before? is it worth to "treat" such stones? (and don't even consider the cutting that is a a "fair"-"good" cut in the best case its not such a good starting point i think)
i think it is what it is.

here's a caveat. if the vendor can make potentially ALOT more money by getting it graded at GIA or respectable labs, why didn't they do so?

These vendors are not newbies nor are they dumb.

i think it cost like a 100$ to grade a diamond with GIA... and you need to wait a lot of time until they grade it for you. maybe sometimes it's not worth it.

 

[CopperTop]

How about some more pictures of the stone?

 

[EA21]

How about some more pictures of the stone?

here you go. (the thick white line you see in the middle,is from my camera,and so is the date that is uncorrect so don't mind it it. the camera is minolta Z3 with optical zoom x12)

http://oi45.tinypic.com/xc2nb4.jpg

http://oi50.tinypic.com/4vfwbl.jpg

http://oi45.tinypic.com/vymrgl.jpg

and here are some photos of the green one-

http://oi45.tinypic.com/35in6uh.jpg

http://oi50.tinypic.com/15xwqjl.jpg

http://oi50.tinypic.com/abtr8n.jpg

 

[Lula]

I'm not a fan of the white one. But the green one is interesting. I like the color of it in the second photo. Have you checked to see if it has fluorescence (under a UV light)?

 

[EA21]

I'm not a fan of the white one. But the green one is interesting. I like the color of it in the second photo. Have you checked to see if it has fluorescence (under a UV light)?

not yet. i don't have one. the color of the green in the 2 picture,is more accurate i think (in a room with regular loman light) the color of the other pictures are show how it look like in a more white light

 

[John P]

Thanks for the discussion, and for posting the documents.

I’m always interested to see what’s developing across the Pacific. As such, my comments don’t relate directly to your situation, but they may be interesting to some readers.

RE this document:


Here's how I read the T&C:

EGL not responsible for discrepancies...EGL liability limited to document fee...EGL not responsible for dissimilarities or differences of other exams...EGL not responsible for technical/mechanical defects of the instruments used...The weights and measurements given are approximate...The clarity grade is as mounting permits and is average for all stones in piece...The color grade is an average of all stones in piece...Metal color will affect diamond color...The carat weight is what the customer said, and has not been verified...The piece has not been verified or tested for any treatment.

My Summary: This is (example) a 1.00 ct F VS1 natural untreated diamond...or not.

Some history: This document is used in India, where the BIS got involved in policing diamond standards a few years ago.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2008-05-19/india-business/27761422

Perhaps not coincidentally, EGL International was accused by the JAA of inflated grading that same year. I presume the T&C are designed to protect the lab if (example) an Indian customer buys a high-value diamond - sold using such data - takes it to another lab, gets dramatically different results and tries to come after EGL for reparations.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-israel-says-falsely-accused-by-jaa.94241/?

The market for diamonds over 0.50ct in India and China is young so many people like to have Western lab documents, simply because they perceive the West as more experienced in diamonds. That perception has created great opportunity for the GIA and IGI; labs considered quite reputable in loose-diamond grading. Their schools and labs in Taiwan, HK, India and now mainland China have established them pretty solidly in the industry there.

EGL has had more difficulty gaining a foothold with the BIS developments in India, and the NGTC (China’s national lab) exercising notable watchdog power in China. However, in 2011 EGL reached an agreement with the NGTC whereupon Chinese dealers can now request a duplicate EGL “companion-report” for any diamond the NGTC grades. This permits dealers to have both an in-country NGTC report as well as the "Western" EGL report showing the same grading info for a diamond. It's promoted as a way to build client confidence, even though I believe no one from EGL ever sees the diamond. I imagine this EGL document used in India may be similar in methodology.