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As summer vacation begins, 17 girls at Gloucester High School are expecting babies—more than four times the number of pregnancies the 1,200-student school had last year. Some adults dismissed the statistic as a blip. Others blamed hit movies like Juno and Knocked Up for glamorizing young unwed mothers. But principal Joseph Sullivan knows at least part of the reason there''s been such a spike in teen pregnancies in this Massachusetts fishing town. School officials started looking into the matter as early as October after an unusual number of girls began filing into the school clinic to find out if they were pregnant. By May, several students had returned multiple times to get pregnancy tests, and on hearing the results, "some girls seemed more upset when they weren''t pregnant than when they were," Sullivan says. All it took was a few simple questions before nearly half the expecting students, none older than 16, confessed to making a pact to get pregnant and raise their babies together. Then the story got worse. "We found out one of the fathers is a 24-year-old homeless guy," the principal says, shaking his head.

The question of what to do next has divided this fiercely Catholic enclave. Even with national data showing a 3% rise in teen pregnancies in 2006—the first increase in 15 years—Gloucester isn''t sure it wants to provide easier access to birth control. In any case, many residents worry that the problem goes much deeper. The past decade has been difficult for this mostly white, mostly blue-collar city (pop. 30,000). In Gloucester, perched on scenic Cape Ann, the economy has always depended on a strong fishing industry. But in recent years, such jobs have all but disappeared overseas, and with them much of the community''s wherewithal. "Families are broken," says school superintendent Christopher Farmer. "Many of our young people are growing up directionless."

The girls who made the pregnancy pact—some of whom, according to Sullivan, reacted to the news that they were expecting with high fives and plans for baby showers—declined to be interviewed. So did their parents. But Amanda Ireland, who graduated from Gloucester High on June 8, thinks she knows why these girls wanted to get pregnant. Ireland, 18, gave birth her freshman year and says some of her now pregnant schoolmates regularly approached her in the hall, remarking how lucky she was to have a baby. "They''re so excited to finally have someone to love them unconditionally," Ireland says. "I try to explain it''s hard to feel loved when an infant is screaming to be fed at 3 a.m."


The high school has done perhaps too good a job of embracing young mothers. Sex-ed classes end freshman year at Gloucester, where teen parents are encouraged to take their children to a free on-site day-care center. Strollers mingle seamlessly in school hallways among cheerleaders and junior ROTC. "We''re proud to help the mothers stay in school," says Sue Todd, CEO of Pathways for Children, which runs the day-care center.


But by May, after nurse practitioner Kim Daly had administered some 150 pregnancy tests at Gloucester High''s student clinic, she and the clinic''s medical director, Dr. Brian Orr, a local pediatrician, began to advocate prescribing contraceptives regardless of parental consent, a practice at about 15 public high schools in Massachusetts. Currently Gloucester teens must travel about 20 miles (30 km) to reach the nearest women''s health clinic; younger girls have to get a ride or take the train and walk. But the notion of a school handing out birth control pills has met with hostility. Says Mayor Carolyn Kirk: "Dr. Orr and Ms. Daly have no right to decide this for our children." The pair resigned in protest on May 30.


Gloucester''s elected school committee plans to vote later this summer on whether to provide contraceptives. But that won''t do much to solve the issue of teens wanting to get pregnant. Says rising junior Kacia Lowe, who is a classmate of the pactmakers'': "No one''s offered them a better option." And better options may be a tall order in a city so uncertain of its future. —with reporting by Kimberley McLeod/New York

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1815845,00.html?cnn=yes
 
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Making a pact to raise children together. Why not make a promise to go to the same college or the same career? And where were the parents in all of this? Maybe its just me but my mom knew where I was 24/7.

My 16-year-old cousin is pregnant. The day I found out, I cried for hours. My aunt couldn''t control the daughter and she ended up getting pregnant (doesn''t know who the father is but has an idea
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) The whole thing is just sad.

I have to say that in my family, no one went to college. I was the first, on both sides, to go to college (let alone graduate school) and my brother''s followed. And guess what...all of my cousins had children at a young age (all had first at 18-19).

I wish these girls the best. It will NOT be cool anymore when they realized what they got themselves into.
 
I really don''t know what to say...WOW! No one at my HS was pregnant while I was there (not that I know of and I went to a small HS) but I know some girls my age were pregnant at public schools then. I think it''s a very sad trend of babies raising babies and find it disturbing that many of them seem to have done it on purpose! I don''t think the answer is just to give them birth control, although that is probably PART of the answer. After all, how many girls under 16 will be able to use birth control 100% effectively? I think some serious education needs to be dropped on these girls from all angles and sources, telling them that it is not "cool" to be 16 and pregnant! I am 25 and couldn''t imagine being ready for a baby!
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While I don''t think the pregnant girls should be banished from school, maybe the school is unknowingly encouraging it by making things so easy for them.
 
Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.

One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say "well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13" and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.
 
Date: 6/19/2008 3:37:44 PM
Author: KCCutie
Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.

One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.
Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.
 
You don''t necessarily need to be married to be a great parent, but being old enough to drive a CAR might help!

It''s so sad that these girls have no idea what they''ve gotten themselves into. The older I get, the more scared I get about whether or not I could handle a baby. I''m 25 and I still feel too immature to start having kids.

Maybe something good will come of this, and some of these girls will give up their babies to families who would love to have a baby, yet can''t.

Seems like you need a depo shot just to enter HS nowadays! Educate these girls, my goodness!!! And don''t forget to love them!
 
Wow...

I am actually from this area (Cape Ann) and what they say is true as far as the town goes. Twenty years ago, Gloucester was thriving...dating back to the early 1800's. Now, with the fishing industry the way it is (these oceans particularly, so overfished in the last 30 years) there is not much left for many of these people to fall back on. It is depressing. It reminds me of a ghost town in many ways.

I don't know much about Gloucester High b/c I lived in Manchester and went to private school, but this still saddens me. 16 with a baby...wow. Its a shame but it's nothing new. Why more schools don't advocate the importance of safe sex, loud and clear, is beyond me.
 
This doesn''t remotely shock me. This type of stuff has been happening for a long while in inner city neighborhoods. There are a variety of reasons: the girls want someone to love them unconditionally (you would be surprised at how often this is the reason), the girls think their boyfriends will love them more and stay with them, the parents aren''t paying enough attention, and/or the girls aren''t properly educated about sex.

When I was in middle school I knew two girls (both age 13) that were pregnant. By the time I got to high school, it was normal. I''m convinced that being forced to help with my 3 younger brothers is what put me off from having children (I''m about to get married and still don''t plan on kids for another 2 years).
 
Date: 6/19/2008 3:45:24 PM
Author: ladypirate

Date: 6/19/2008 3:37:44 PM
Author: KCCutie
Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.

One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.
Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.
Not that this is how I would choose, but I worked with a girl that had 3 kids before getting married. That was how she and her SO wanted to do it, and it was what worked for them. Keeping in mind, this was their plan... she had her first one at 19, so maybe that one wasn''t planned, but I know the other two were. They got married last fall.
 
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I can't believe the parents are still opposed to teens being given access to birth control without parental consent. The teens are obviously ALREADY consenting to activities that necessitate it. That's not to say I condone what the teens are doing in the first place, but I think it's a moot point if they are going to do it regardless.

Then again, it sounds like there's a deeper issue here stemming from more than just the lack of BCP availability.


Edited to add: I'm surprised by how many people I know who had children out of wedlock and quite young. I'm 24 and some girls I grew up with have as many as three children already.
 
Date: 6/19/2008 4:17:48 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/19/2008 3:45:24 PM
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Date: 6/19/2008 3:37:44 PM
Author: KCCutie
Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.

One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.
Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.
Not that this is how I would choose, but I worked with a girl that had 3 kids before getting married. That was how she and her SO wanted to do it, and it was what worked for them. Keeping in mind, this was their plan... she had her first one at 19, so maybe that one wasn''t planned, but I know the other two were. They got married last fall.
Yeah--I more meant people who are older and have just chosen to go this route. Rereading it I realized it could sound like I think it was a good idea for these girls to do this! No, no, no and no. I''m a big believer in living a little before you are tied down with children--you have the rest of your life for that!
 
Date: 6/19/2008 4:35:44 PM
Author: ladypirate

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Date: 6/19/2008 3:37:44 PM
Author: KCCutie
Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.

One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.
Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.
Not that this is how I would choose, but I worked with a girl that had 3 kids before getting married. That was how she and her SO wanted to do it, and it was what worked for them. Keeping in mind, this was their plan... she had her first one at 19, so maybe that one wasn''t planned, but I know the other two were. They got married last fall.
Yeah--I more meant people who are older and have just chosen to go this route. Rereading it I realized it could sound like I think it was a good idea for these girls to do this! No, no, no and no. I''m a big believer in living a little before you are tied down with children--you have the rest of your life for that!
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Date: 6/19/2008 4:38:40 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 6/19/2008 4:35:44 PM
Author: ladypirate


Date: 6/19/2008 4:17:48 PM
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Date: 6/19/2008 3:37:44 PM
Author: KCCutie
Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.

One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.
Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.
Not that this is how I would choose, but I worked with a girl that had 3 kids before getting married. That was how she and her SO wanted to do it, and it was what worked for them. Keeping in mind, this was their plan... she had her first one at 19, so maybe that one wasn''t planned, but I know the other two were. They got married last fall.
Yeah--I more meant people who are older and have just chosen to go this route. Rereading it I realized it could sound like I think it was a good idea for these girls to do this! No, no, no and no. I''m a big believer in living a little before you are tied down with children--you have the rest of your life for that!
LP: I never assumed you did!!
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OK, good! I''m always afraid that people will take things I say in ways I don''t mean them, so I just wanted to clarify.
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It''s not just the US.

The part of London where I am an elected representative has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe.

We are spending a huge amount of £££ and have put a big team in place to go into schools and run serious sex-ed classes. Above all with the boys. Once you explain to a 15 year-old boy that they will be liable for supporting that kid for the next 18 years and that means a minimum of 15% of their income, they start to wise up.

Contraception is free in the UK and your parents are never informed no matter what your age. We even run specialist teenage drop-in centres for contraceptives and GUM clinics. However our very over-generous welfare system makes it rather easy for them.

The local Catholic girls school refused to let our teams in to teach sex-ed. Right up till the latest figures showed that that school had the highest rate of any in the area!

We''ve also found out that 3 guys are responsible for over 50% of all the pregnancies.

It''s so sad and so often they do seem to get pg in groups. I was still playing with barbie at some of their ages...
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LOL Pandora



I was TOTALLY playing with Barbies until about 14. Hell, I''d play with them now if I still had them!
 
Date: 6/19/2008 4:41:05 PM
Author: ladypirate
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Date: 6/19/2008 3:37:44 PM

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Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.


One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.

Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.

Not that this is how I would choose, but I worked with a girl that had 3 kids before getting married. That was how she and her SO wanted to do it, and it was what worked for them. Keeping in mind, this was their plan... she had her first one at 19, so maybe that one wasn''t planned, but I know the other two were. They got married last fall.

Yeah--I more meant people who are older and have just chosen to go this route. Rereading it I realized it could sound like I think it was a good idea for these girls to do this! No, no, no and no. I''m a big believer in living a little before you are tied down with children--you have the rest of your life for that!

LP: I never assumed you did!!
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OK, good! I''m always afraid that people will take things I say in ways I don''t mean them, so I just wanted to clarify.
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Oh goodness I mean it like that either! I meant that these girls are so young and probably aren''t even in serious relationships and their plan is to raise the babies alone at 16....that''s probably way more than they bargained for.

I have nothing against couples who decide to have children and not get married...ever. That''s their choice it''s just so hard to raise a child alone and at 16 I don''t think they are at all prepared. If it''s an accident well accidents happen but doing it on purpose at 16....WOW!
 
Date: 6/19/2008 5:55:36 PM
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Yes, where are their parents. Maybe my parents didn''t know where I was 24/7 but the taught me well enough that I knew it was a bad idea.



One of my cousins got pregnant at 13 (yes 13!) she was from a broken home and her parents had lots of problems so we all knew something like this would happen in that family. To this day when my parents don''t like my choices I say ''well at least didn''t get knocked up at 13'' and my parents realize how lucky they are to have 4 children who all graduated college have great jobs and know having children out of wedlock isn''t the way to go.


Not everyone who has children out of wedlock is irresponsible--some people choose to go this route. Not saying it''s the choice I''d make, but I certainly don''t judge anyone who has done that.


Not that this is how I would choose, but I worked with a girl that had 3 kids before getting married. That was how she and her SO wanted to do it, and it was what worked for them. Keeping in mind, this was their plan... she had her first one at 19, so maybe that one wasn''t planned, but I know the other two were. They got married last fall.


Yeah--I more meant people who are older and have just chosen to go this route. Rereading it I realized it could sound like I think it was a good idea for these girls to do this! No, no, no and no. I''m a big believer in living a little before you are tied down with children--you have the rest of your life for that!


LP: I never assumed you did!!
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OK, good! I''m always afraid that people will take things I say in ways I don''t mean them, so I just wanted to clarify.
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Oh goodness I mean it like that either! I meant that these girls are so young and probably aren''t even in serious relationships and their plan is to raise the babies alone at 16....that''s probably way more than they bargained for.


I have nothing against couples who decide to have children and not get married...ever. That''s their choice it''s just so hard to raise a child alone and at 16 I don''t think they are at all prepared. If it''s an accident well accidents happen but doing it on purpose at 16....WOW!

LOL--silly internet and the misunderstandings that can arise!
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Glad we got it all sorted--and it turns out we agree completely!
 
And they decided to remove the sex ed classes in Qc. I''m PISSED OFF.
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They say it should be the parents'' job... It should, but too many parents don''t do it!!! I don''t know a lot of girls who had children before 20, but I know many who had abortions. Which is also sad... Abortion shouldn''t be used as a form of birth control.
 

I blame the sex ed in this country. It is abstinence only, short and too late. This is not the way they do it in Western Europe for the most part. The sex ed is largely comprehensive, it starts younger (as I understand it, some schools in the Netherlands start at 5) and it continues. Not coincidentally, Europe has lower teen pregnancy rates, lower accidentally pregnancy rates and lower abortion rates, even in countries where the laws are as lenient about it as in the US.


I know we worry about parental rights, but as long as we are paying welfare for these girls, I think we have a right to say it needs to change.


I think it is also when girls are raised to believe that child rearing is their purpose in life, so why delay it? It wasn’t like they planned on getting an education anyway. Sad

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Date: 6/19/2008 6:14:33 PM
Author: brazen_irish_hussy
I blame the sex ed in this country. It is abstinence only, short and too late. This is not the way they do it in Western Europe for the most part. The sex ed is largely comprehensive, it starts younger (as I understand it, some schools in the Netherlands start at 5) and it continues. Not coincidentally, Europe has lower teen pregnancy rates, lower accidentally pregnancy rates and lower abortion rates, even in countries where the laws are as lenient about it as in the US.
I hate to say it, but I think there is an underlying cause that goes into the abstinence only sex ed. One that is also supported by our current President...we currently have billboards all around the city, and commercials advertising that "Abstinence is the ONLY way".

I agree that it''s messed up and need to be fixed. The education is lacking due to certain moral and ethic issues not to mention fear to tread on people''s beliefs. As a result, stuff like this happens.

How did I first learn about sex? From my parents, with a book.

When did I first get a taste of sex ed and the consequences of it? In 5th grade. With the "Miracle of Life" video. Which is extremely graphic (seriously. Extremely graphic.) and most wouldn''t approve of it''s usage now. Especially with students as young as we were. And then in middle school (Catholic) health class we were presented with pictures of STDs. And then in high school health class (Catholic) with pictures again of STDs, but ALSO other ways of preventing pregnancy and getting STDs-BESIDES abstinence. And then again in a religion class (Man and Woman) we learned about ALL forms of birth control. All of them (that were in existence of course!).

And now? Now everyone is afraid of being politically correct, not stepping on anyone else''s values and beliefs, etc, so sex ed doesn''t happen in any kind of effective way. Teaching abstinence is avoiding the issue.

And my high school years were only 8 years ago! What happened in those 8 years?!

I''m not surprised in the least bit.
 
Date: 6/19/2008 6:11:49 PM
Author: anchor31
And they decided to remove the sex ed classes in Qc. I''m PISSED OFF.
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They say it should be the parents'' job... It should, but too many parents don''t do it!!! I don''t know a lot of girls who had children before 20, but I know many who had abortions. Which is also sad... Abortion shouldn''t be used as a form of birth control.
But so many ADULTS are undereducated or miseducated about sex to begin with! It truly is horrifying. Many do not know even basic things like that you have to read your prescription inserts to make sure that you''re not taking medications that will negate your BCP, etc. Similarly, many adults do not even know all the correct anotomical terminology. (Examples of which I''d toss out, but, er... I am not too familiar with PS TOS).

And even if that''s not a concern, many adults aren''t comfortble having an open and honest discussion with their kids about sex. It can be a bit embarassing and awkward to discuss, particularly in-depth. How many parents do you know actually taught their kids about every individual STD, its symptoms, how it can be transmitted, etc? I think that''s what sex ed is for. Parents will give the safe sex speech to kids, but there''s so much more to it than that, that people need to be taught.

I absolutely think sex ed should be a part of the curriculum.
 
OK-I MUST chime in even though I didn''t want to-as a high school teacher, I see a lot of this and IN FACT-I TEACH SEX ED. I will tell you this-I DO NOT TEACH ABSTINENCE ONLY. I teach it all and I know that all of the teachers in my school teach it all, consequences, STD''s, contraceptives, pregnancy, adoption-the only thing we don''t do is hand out condoms. I have had students who are mom''s and they volunteer to tell their stories to their classmates. Some of these kids get it more than once, in the required Health class, and in my classes. I do think I reach the majority of kids-HOWEVER, I do have kids get pregnant on purpose. It is not that these kids don''t know the consequences, they believe that it WILL make the guy stay in the relationship, and that they will have a ''happy family'' despite all of my teaching, they still believe these things. It is not just the job of the teachers, it''s the parents too. They need to instill values and morals in their children. I realize that not everyone agrees with what I am saying, but until you have your own children, you do not know what goes on with someone''s child or their family, or what is considered OK in someone''s culture..

I guess I would say, when you all have your own children, MAKE SURE to instill good morals in them, educate them on the consequences, let them know it is not an option to get pregnant until they can handle it ON THEIR OWN. I know I will be doing these things when I have my own kids.
 
Date: 6/19/2008 9:10:13 PM
Author: Blair138
OK-I MUST chime in even though I didn''t want to-as a high school teacher, I see a lot of this and IN FACT-I TEACH SEX ED. I will tell you this-I DO NOT TEACH ABSTINENCE ONLY. I teach it all and I know that all of the teachers in my school teach it all, consequences, STD''s, contraceptives, pregnancy, adoption-the only thing we don''t do is hand out condoms. I have had students who are mom''s and they volunteer to tell their stories to their classmates. Some of these kids get it more than once, in the required Health class, and in my classes. I do think I reach the majority of kids-HOWEVER, I do have kids get pregnant on purpose. It is not that these kids don''t know the consequences, they believe that it WILL make the guy stay in the relationship, and that they will have a ''happy family'' despite all of my teaching, they still believe these things. It is not just the job of the teachers, it''s the parents too. They need to instill values and morals in their children. I realize that not everyone agrees with what I am saying, but until you have your own children, you do not know what goes on with someone''s child or their family, or what is considered OK in someone''s culture..

I guess I would say, when you all have your own children, MAKE SURE to instill good morals in them, educate them on the consequences, let them know it is not an option to get pregnant until they can handle it ON THEIR OWN. I know I will be doing these things when I have my own kids.
I definitely agree. Many of you probably disagree but while I think schools need to have sex education, I think when they are expected to distribute birth control to students it is going too far. I think it places upon educators and school systems the unreasonable burden of playing a role which they did not sign up for nor should be expected to fill. Teachers are there to EDUCATE children about science, math, and yes, sex education, but not to provide birth control for them. If they need birth control or pregnancy tests I feel that clinics are better places for them to seek support. Expecting schools to supply birth control, especially without notifying parents, opens the door for parents to become obsolete in their children''s lives and forces teachers to step in and do more than that which they should be held accountable. Furthermore, in this case the birth control wouldn''t have done anything at all to prevent the pregnancies because the girls wanted to get pregnant. The real problem was the self-esteem issues of these girls and why they would think getting pregnant at 16 was a good idea in the first place.
 
*****If anyone is interested... Good Morning America is doing an entire segment on the group of girls that made a pact to all get pregnant together.******

Those of you out of the country, you can probably grab the show online later tomorrow evening, your afternoon/evening of course.
 
Well, talk about glamorizing it.
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Now they''ve been made famous. That''s going to make it REAL unattractive to other, desperate, teenage girls.
 
Date: 6/19/2008 10:22:37 PM
Author: Independent Gal
Well, talk about glamorizing it.
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Now they''ve been made famous. That''s going to make it REAL unattractive to other, desperate, teenage girls.

YES Indy Gal-perfect example-that''s what the problem is a lot of the time-our school newspaper did a whole segment about a pregnant girl and her experience, made her seem like it actually worked out and the bf was still with her-I freaked out and we had our classes read the article and reflect on it in their journals-thankfully most knew the girl and knew the truth-that it wasn''t all roses-but I cannot stand the glorification
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Well, here in Down Under we certainly have some brainiacs running the country. Some smart politicans decided that we needed to increase our birth rate or there isn't going to be anyone looking after the oldies in the future. Solution - a $5000 Baby Bonus to get us all bonking. It's paid as a lump sum as soon as the mother gives birth and registers the birth certificate. So what do our teenagers think - WOW!! $5k will buy me the best tellie ever (or shoes or drugs or cars or whatever things that teenagers want but have no real access to). Having a baby would be the easiest way to get our hands on cash like that! Remember when you were 16, that kind of money was unimaginable. So we now have teenage pregnancy and motherhood on the rise. To children from low socio-economic backgrounds who think this is a great way of turning their lives around and making some cash. I have seen several interviews on telly from kids that are happy to tell the nearest camera that they are getting pregnant purely for the cash, and they won't have to worry cause their Mum's will help em raise the kid and they can claim benefits anyway (you get more money with dependants). It's just so sad!! These kids thinking that they will make a quick buck just don't have any comprehension of how much money having a baby will cost (not to mention the emotional investment).

The government is starting to realise the error of their ways and are trying to introduce this payment to be made in progress payments over the first few months/years of the baby's life, or to put it in trust or something, but I can't believe they didn't see this one coming when they first came up with the idea? Sure, it's a great help to parents when they first have a baby, but I think they could have put more thought into people abusing the system.

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I just thought of a way to get those ACA earrings I am longing for .............
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Date: 6/19/2008 8:07:32 PM
Author: absolut_blonde

Date: 6/19/2008 6:11:49 PM
Author: anchor31
And they decided to remove the sex ed classes in Qc. I''m PISSED OFF.
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They say it should be the parents'' job... It should, but too many parents don''t do it!!! I don''t know a lot of girls who had children before 20, but I know many who had abortions. Which is also sad... Abortion shouldn''t be used as a form of birth control.
But so many ADULTS are undereducated or miseducated about sex to begin with! It truly is horrifying. Many do not know even basic things like that you have to read your prescription inserts to make sure that you''re not taking medications that will negate your BCP, etc. Similarly, many adults do not even know all the correct anotomical terminology. (Examples of which I''d toss out, but, er... I am not too familiar with PS TOS).

And even if that''s not a concern, many adults aren''t comfortble having an open and honest discussion with their kids about sex. It can be a bit embarassing and awkward to discuss, particularly in-depth. How many parents do you know actually taught their kids about every individual STD, its symptoms, how it can be transmitted, etc? I think that''s what sex ed is for. Parents will give the safe sex speech to kids, but there''s so much more to it than that, that people need to be taught.

I absolutely think sex ed should be a part of the curriculum.
I know, and that''s why I''m so pissed off that they removed the class from the curriculum. I finished HS 6 years ago and like Freke, I learned about everything in school. I love my parents, but I was raised in an "abstinence only" household and that wasn''t very informative... I''m thankful I had the sex ed classes. But with the last reform, they chucked it. Chlamydia and abortion have been going up in teens and young adults in the province and they wonder why...
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Heck, I''m passed 30, I have five university degrees, and until I started trying to get knocked up, even I didn''t really know how it all worked. I mean, I knew how it worked (cough) but not all the details... about which hormone comes when, the cervical weirdness at different times of the cycle, the temperature rise after ovulation, the little caves we all have in our nether regions for the ''boys'' to hang out while waiting for an egg to boogie with, etc.

I got a whole new course in sex-ed, just last month! And NOW look where it got me.
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