okay...to settle the colorless vs the near colorless topic...

[MissGotRocks]

No, Mara, 3 ct. is your limit. . . remember?

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

Yup, yup--a free "D" for sure.

cheers--Sharon

 

[Mara]

Date: 3/28/2006 11:31:53 AM
Author: MissGotRocks
No, Mara, 3 ct. is your limit. . . remember?

Noooooo! Ms Darlin Joy said in the forum game thread that I can stop at 4.5c!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/28/2006 11:41:14 AM
Author: Mara

Date: 3/28/2006 11:31:53 AM
Author: MissGotRocks
No, Mara, 3 ct. is your limit. . . remember?

Noooooo! Ms Darlin Joy said in the forum game thread that I can stop at 4.5c!

I am going to shoot in between and bet you will stop at 3.5 Mara!

 

[asscherisme]

I would take D, IF, ideal cut and no flourcence.

But I''m very happy with my G colored asscher stones and my F colored round stone that I own. I do see the color in the G much more than the F but thats the cut difference I guess. But it does not bother me.

 

[lmurden]

I''d choose the D hands down.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 3/28/2006 11:31:37 AM
Author: f0rbidden

I''ve seen a few comments about how '' no one can tell the difference'' or ''people don''t ask about the color anyway'' or things like that - do we buy and wear diamonds for OTHER people? or for ourselves?

will people know I have a D color diamond - no, probably not. but i know. do they know if it''s a vvs or an si? no, again, probably not. but i know. and isn''t that what the bottom line is?

I guess I''d answer this way:

I buy diamonds for myself, and I don''t care if others would choose as I do. However, I couldn''t feel good about paying for a D stone and wearing it when I know that I could get materially the same look for a lot less money. It would be like paying $28 for a loaf of bread......even if I had the $28 to blow, the lack of value would kill my enjoyment of it.

For you, knowing that your diamond is a D satisfies your mind. It feels exclusive to you, and you are willing to pay for that exclusivity. That''s wonderful, and if that''s important to you, by all means, you should stick with a D. Others who don''t value exclusivity are less willing to pay for it.

For you, knowing you have a D makes you happy. For me, knowing I paid for a D would make me feel wasteful and overindulgent. It''s just a difference in what we place importance on.

 

[pyramid]

I am no doubt, I would pick the D color. I would keep the D diamond and would not resell it though, unless it became a necessity.

 

[MissAva]

Date: 3/28/2006 12:08:06 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 3/28/2006 11:31:37 AM
Author: f0rbidden

I''ve seen a few comments about how '' no one can tell the difference'' or ''people don''t ask about the color anyway'' or things like that - do we buy and wear diamonds for OTHER people? or for ourselves?

will people know I have a D color diamond - no, probably not. but i know. do they know if it''s a vvs or an si? no, again, probably not. but i know. and isn''t that what the bottom line is?

I guess I''d answer this way:

I buy diamonds for myself, and I don''t care if others would choose as I do. However, I couldn''t feel good about paying for a D stone and wearing it when I know that I could get materially the same look for a lot less money. It would be like paying $28 for a loaf of bread......even if I had the $28 to blow, the lack of value would kill my enjoyment of it.

For you, knowing that your diamond is a D satisfies your mind. It feels exclusive to you, and you are willing to pay for that exclusivity. That''s wonderful, and if that''s important to you, by all means, you should stick with a D. Others who don''t value exclusivity are less willing to pay for it.

For you, knowing you have a D makes you happy. For me, knowing I paid for a D would make me feel wasteful and overindulgent. It''s just a difference in what we place importance on.

That was very well said AlJ!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 3/28/2006 5:07:49 AM
Author: valeria101


Good question... ''would you prefer to get a big gift or a small one, no questions asked''

Looks like the answer is darn obvious and has absolutely nothing to do with diamond grades

well...you hear a few near colorless owners saying....i like a little warmth color...i don''t like colorless stones,looks fake.now, when it''s FREE

all of sudden they love a D color

what i try to say is ...G-J owners buy b/c they think it''s better value for the money not b/c they don''t like colorless stones

and there''s nothing wrong with that.

 

[MissGotRocks]

Yeah, but Dancing Fire says they are GIVING it to you! No chance to take the difference between a D and an H and give the savings to charity! Sooooo. . . . if they are giving it away I''ll take it!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 3/28/2006 2:37:59 PM
Author: MissGotRocks
Yeah, but Dancing Fire says they are GIVING it to you! No chance to take the difference between a D and an H and give the savings to charity! Sooooo. . . . if they are giving it away I'll take it!

YEAH!

Me too! Then I would sell it and buy a little J K or L coloured something extra for myself and give some to charity!

 

[Mara]

Okay so what if it was this scenario instead:

You had the opportunity to buy a 2c D or colorless stone from Tiff for $15k OR a 2c near-colorless H/I stone from Tiff for $15k. Cuts are the same and clarity is the same (aka VS).

Now you are no longer being GIVEN the stone, you have to pay one way or the other for it. So selling it doesn''t seem like such a good deal to get a bigger stone etc. Which color would you prefer to wear on your finger?

I''d still get the H stone.

 

[lmurden]

Date: 3/28/2006 2:42:19 PM
Author: Mara
Okay so what if it was this scenario instead:

You had the opportunity to buy a 2c D or colorless stone from Tiff for $15k OR a 2c near-colorless H/I stone from Tiff for $15k. Cuts are the same and clarity is the same (aka VS).

Now you are no longer being GIVEN the stone, you have to pay one way or the other for it. So selling it doesn''t seem like such a good deal to get a bigger stone etc. Which color would you prefer to wear on your finger?

I''d still get the H stone.

I''d still get the D!

 

[dbgaap]

I''d get the D, but that''s because I am ready for a change.
I''ve been wearing a J for 2 years.
Two years ago, I sacrificed color to get the cut & size I wanted.
I am planning an upgrade- I am pretty sure I am going up in color, but not size.

I am in the process of looking at stones and trying to decide how much color affects me.

I may get a D or E, wear it for a couple years, then get tired of it and upgrade again based on somehting new.

I''m just playing with baubles!!!!!

 

[sarita]

Date: 3/28/2006 2:42:19 PM
Author: Mara
Okay so what if it was this scenario instead:

You had the opportunity to buy a 2c D or colorless stone from Tiff for $15k OR a 2c near-colorless H/I stone from Tiff for $15k. Cuts are the same and clarity is the same (aka VS).

Now you are no longer being GIVEN the stone, you have to pay one way or the other for it. So selling it doesn''t seem like such a good deal to get a bigger stone etc. Which color would you prefer to wear on your finger?

I''d still get the H stone.

I''d go with the D mainly because I can''t see paying the same for a lower color when I know the D is worth more. You are getting (ok, paying for, but still) something for less than it''s worth. It would also be cool in the ego sense to say I had a 2ct D from Tiffany''s, which I would never in this reality have anyway (or pay for, even if I could afford it!).

 

[jasontb]

Date: 3/28/2006 2:42:19 PM
Author: Mara
Okay so what if it was this scenario instead:


You had the opportunity to buy a 2c D or colorless stone from Tiff for $15k OR a 2c near-colorless H/I stone from Tiff for $15k. Cuts are the same and clarity is the same (aka VS).


Now you are no longer being GIVEN the stone, you have to pay one way or the other for it. So selling it doesn''t seem like such a good deal to get a bigger stone etc. Which color would you prefer to wear on your finger?

I''d still get the H stone.

Still gettin'' the D.

 

[jetmal]

Well, it depends on the diamond shape.

if its a princess or asscher, or another fancy shape, you bet I''d take the D

if its an RB, then I would be more open to looking at lower colors......I would have to see it I guess

 

[f0rbidden]

D - all the way.

 

[f0rbidden]

Date: 3/28/2006 12:08:06 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 3/28/2006 11:31:37 AM
Author: f0rbidden

I''ve seen a few comments about how '' no one can tell the difference'' or ''people don''t ask about the color anyway'' or things like that - do we buy and wear diamonds for OTHER people? or for ourselves?

will people know I have a D color diamond - no, probably not. but i know. do they know if it''s a vvs or an si? no, again, probably not. but i know. and isn''t that what the bottom line is?

I guess I''d answer this way:

I buy diamonds for myself, and I don''t care if others would choose as I do. However, I couldn''t feel good about paying for a D stone and wearing it when I know that I could get materially the same look for a lot less money. It would be like paying $28 for a loaf of bread......even if I had the $28 to blow, the lack of value would kill my enjoyment of it.

For you, knowing that your diamond is a D satisfies your mind. It feels exclusive to you, and you are willing to pay for that exclusivity. That''s wonderful, and if that''s important to you, by all means, you should stick with a D. Others who don''t value exclusivity are less willing to pay for it.

For you, knowing you have a D makes you happy. For me, knowing I paid for a D would make me feel wasteful and overindulgent. It''s just a difference in what we place importance on.

I agree - very well said, but again, we don''t buy diamonds to please others - we buy them to please ourselves. I do choose D and as clear as I can find - at the sacrifice of size, because with cut being equal - i would choose to wear the diamond that is as close to flawless as I can find and am comfortable with, for my budget.

I know I can get a bigger diamond by sacrificing color or clarity, but I''d rather NOT have the size if that''s the sacrifice I need to make.

I know I know..personal preference! and you know what, they''re ALL beautiful in the end, because I''m a tree hugger and I don''t think nature makes things that are ugly.

 

[MissGotRocks]

If the price is the same I''m still getting the D. Why would I pay $15000 for an H when I can pay $15000 for a D? Am I missing something? (Yeah, I should be working that''s what!)

 

[Mara]

Date: 3/28/2006 3:29:55 PM
Author: MissGotRocks
If the price is the same I'm still getting the D. Why would I pay $15000 for an H when I can pay $15000 for a D? Am I missing something? (Yeah, I should be working that's what!)

People were emphasizing how they are being GIVEN a FREE stone so why wouldn't they take a D. But it seems in this case people would still buy a D over an H...better deal for the D because it's cheaper, or BECAUSE that's the color they actually want on their finger? I could get past the fact that a D is more expensive or whatever because I know I'd want an H or similar on my finger and not a D. It's too white.

D's are typically lots more expensive, so it seems like people would rather not pay for a D but if it was given to them for free OR it was a better deal, there'd be lots more colorless owners out there. (but not necessarily me!)

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 3/28/2006 2:36:48 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 3/28/2006 5:07:49 AM
Author: valeria101


Good question... ''would you prefer to get a big gift or a small one, no questions asked''

Looks like the answer is darn obvious and has absolutely nothing to do with diamond grades

well...you hear a few near colorless owners saying....i like a little warmth color...i don''t like colorless stones,looks fake.now, when it''s FREE

all of sudden they love a D color

what i try to say is ...G-J owners buy b/c they think it''s better value for the money not b/c they don''t like colorless stones

and there''s nothing wrong with that.

No, that isn''t what many are saying.

It''s not about preference. It''s simple good economics. Would anyone prefer a monetary gift of $10,000 vs $20,000 monetary gift provided money was no object? It''s not a realistic senerio.

I''d probably still sell the D. The monetary gain is worth more to me than the color "D". It''s simple, pure economics. Value DOES enter into the equation. And, if I could get more money for the Tiffany & Co. ring than I would sell that & get something else w/o the ridiculous premium attached. The Tiffany name means nothing to me personally - but I''d be happy to profit off of someone who does value it.

 

[klavigne]

Come on people, who wouldn''t take the D color. It'' like asking if you could have a free car, a BMW or a Dodge.

This is direct from the AGS

D: Absolutely colorless. The highest color grade, which is extremely rare.
E: Colorless. Only minute traces of color can be detected by an expert gemologist. A rare diamond.
F: Colorless. Slight color detected by an expert gemologist, but still considered a "colorless" grade. A high-quality diamond.
G-H: Near-colorless. Color noticeable when compared to diamonds of better grades, but these grades offer excellent value.
I-J: Near-colorless. Color slightly detectable. An excellent value.

 

[Mara]

No, it's not like asking if you want a BMW or a Dodge.

You are assuming everyone likes BMW. Maybe they don't want a foreign made car or Dodge is a better performer. Maybe some people just like Dodge. Actually my husband would probably choose the Dodge because he has a Stealth from the 90's, a sports car and he has rebuilt it a few times and it can still beat most BMWs in racing. He doesn't like BMW's because he says they make a high tinny noise when they are revving and that the engines are too small for what you pay or something. So he'd probably choose the Dodge.

It's a preference thing, what is so hard about understanding that some people don't automatically want WHATEVER IS MOST EXPENSIVE just because of perceived value.

 

[diamond_quester]

Definitely a D (or a rare color). It has nothing to do with what I prefer to wear myself. If it''s free, of course I''d pick the one worth the most. Since I don''t have to have a D color or a Tiffany, I''d probably try to sell or swap it for something with more "value" to me.

 

[tat2db]

D D D D D D D D !!!! Definately!!!!!!

 

[icekid]

I would pick the D over the H, always- including if I was paying!!

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 3/28/2006 5:16:53 PM
Author: diamond_quester
Definitely a D (or a rare color). It has nothing to do with what I prefer to wear myself. If it''s free, of course I''d pick the one worth the most. Since I don''t have to have a D color or a Tiffany, I''d probably try to sell or swap it for something with more ''value'' to me.

Precisely. Choosing the diamond that *is* worth more gives the owner further options w/ a bigger pocketbook. Fact is that a "D" does command more money. The "more money" is not worth it to me to spend on it; but, I certainly would take the "more money" & divest.

 

[pyramid]

I would buy the D again. In the real world I would probably go with G as the lowest maybe H.

I don''t mind really the color in diamonds it is just that to me a lower color diamond looks darker and does not stand out as much. When they are sparkling I do not mind this and think a J color diamond is as beautiful as a higher color. So it is just the look of the lower color diamond in say daylight when there is no sunshine that I don''t like.