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valmanin

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Grab a glass of white and have some Sunday fun with me! :bigsmile:

First of all...just wanted to say thank you to all the amazing PSers. I have learned so much reading all of your detailed posts over the last 6 months!

So, I am still deciding between 3 stones. Well, really 2, but the third is lovely too!

Anyway, I know how hard it is to picture the lower colors since many of us have not seen them in real life and shipping stones back and forth can be crazy and costly. So, I thought I would share the three stones I have with me this weekend in order to highlight the lower colors you often find in old cuts. I also thought it might be interesting to see the different table sizes. :D

They are all OECs of a similar make. Whenever you see the three together they will be from left to right or top to bottom as follows:
1. 2.71 ct. O/P (my appraiser GIA certified), SI1/2, Table 47%, 8.8 mm spread
2. 3.33 ct. M EGL (my appraiser said M/N), VS1, Table 52%, 9.4 mm spread
3. 2.66 ct. K EGL, VS1, Table 50%, 8.9 mm spread

On to the fun!

So, my husband and I were hanging out by the pool today, discussing which diamond we like best and having a glass of white wine (rough I know)...chenin blanc to be exact...light and fruity...light in color...not as yellow as chardonnay. And I thought....hmmmmmmmm :lickout: This reminds me of exactly what I love about these lower colored stones.

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M hanging out with chenin blanc...
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I just LOVE the warmer colors. I love icy white diamonds too...that's what my e-ring is...E in platinum. But for this 10 year anniversary ring I want something totally different. In fact I think I have ruled out K just because it's too white for me. I want an antique stone in an antique style ring but in yellow gold. The warmer colors look so :love: next to yellow gold.

Here is M (on left) and O-P with a yellow gold leaf necklace.
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M hanging with the leaf:
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Okay...so on to the comparison pics. I tried to take inside and outside....on my hand, on a white cardboard paper, on a white leather chair in my house etc. etc. I think you get a good idea of the differences. I feel like there are times when I can't tell which color diamond I am looking at and other times when their color personality comes out. I have tried to capture that:


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This picture of the back of them the colors are reversed...K then M then O-P
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Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhhhhh :cheeky: :cheeky: :cheeky: :cheeky:

You have a TOUGH TOUGH decision there !!! What beautiful diamonds !!!!!
What beautiful pictures !!!!!!!
No wonder you are having a glass of wine *(gorgeous wine glass too!!!!) :sun:
I can't wait to see which of those beauties you decide on !!! :love: :love: :love:


THANK YOU for this thread!!!!

I am going through as many threads as I can to see lower color OEC, PLUS setting ideas for them.....
These pictures are a huge help !!!
(for the record, I may or may not have been naughty and purchased an OEC
in a distinctly lower color.........When it comes, I am hoping I love it as much as I am loving yours !!!!)
 
ooo~Shiney!|1365978655|3426870 said:
Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhhhhh :cheeky: :cheeky: :cheeky: :cheeky:

You have a TOUGH TOUGH decision there !!! What beautiful diamonds !!!!!
What beautiful pictures !!!!!!!
No wonder you are having a glass of wine *(gorgeous wine glass too!!!!) :sun:
I can't wait to see which of those beauties you decide on !!! :love: :love: :love:


THANK YOU for this thread!!!!

I am going through as many threads as I can to see lower color OEC, PLUS setting ideas for them.....
These pictures are a huge help !!!
(for the record, I may or may not have been naughty and purchased an OEC
in a distinctly lower color.........When it comes, I am hoping I love it as much as I am loving yours !!!!)

Oh yeah!!! I'm glad it helped! I have gone through every thread on here I could find to see lower colors too! Of course nothing compares to in person. Can't wait to see what you may or may not have bought. ;)
 
What a TOUGH choice! Maybe you should keep all 3 and make a honkin' 3 stone??? :naughty: :lol:

I'd be hard pressed to choose one...good luck with that...maybe a few more glasses of wine will help?
 
yennyfire|1365979817|3426881 said:
What a TOUGH choice! Maybe you should keep all 3 and make a honkin' 3 stone??? :naughty: :lol:

I'd be hard pressed to choose one...good luck with that...maybe a few more glasses of wine will help?

OMG what a ring that would be!! :lickout: :shock: :!:

I actually really like all 3! Honestly I find it very hard to choose between the 3.33ct and the 2.71ct. I think the mm size would be minimal with that size difference? So pending on pricing I would go between those two stones. I personally like the M coloring over the O/P but just by a smidge!

My preference would be:
3.33
2.71
2.6 (just don't love the K personally)
 
They are all beautiful, what a tough choice to make! :naughty:

My personal favorite is the M colored stone (love those golf leaf photos). It's just stunning! Nice size too, especially for your small fingers.

The K reminds me of an AVR, the flower/petal facets are so prefect in that stone (chubby petals too). But go with your gut instinct, if you think it's too white then move on.
 
Wow, any of them would do me JUST FINE. :love:

Is your necklace 14 or 18k? I'm looking for that exact gold and low coloured diamond combo for my anniversary ring (unfortunately, still a long way away!)
 
yennyfire|1365979817|3426881 said:
What a TOUGH choice! Maybe you should keep all 3 and make a honkin' 3 stone??? :naughty: :lol:

I'd be hard pressed to choose one...good luck with that...maybe a few more glasses of wine will help?

:lol: When we took them into a jewelry store to look at with different setting ideas the lady helping us thought I was trying to make a 3 stone ring. Can you imagine? Although I could imagine having one as a pendant. :naughty:
 
Sarahbear621|1365982257|3426902 said:
yennyfire|1365979817|3426881 said:
What a TOUGH choice! Maybe you should keep all 3 and make a honkin' 3 stone??? :naughty: :lol:

I'd be hard pressed to choose one...good luck with that...maybe a few more glasses of wine will help?

OMG what a ring that would be!! :lickout: :shock: :!:

I actually really like all 3! Honestly I find it very hard to choose between the 3.33ct and the 2.71ct. I think the mm size would be minimal with that size difference? So pending on pricing I would go between those two stones. I personally like the M coloring over the O/P but just by a smidge!

My preference would be:
3.33
2.71
2.6 (just don't love the K personally)

The mm difference is 9.4 on 3.33 and 8.8 on 2.71. I definitely notice a difference. I love both of the colors....one has more of a golden tint and the other more vanilla. The 2.71 is just a smidge more lively...it has smaller facets (of course because it's smaller) but they really sparkle. The 3.33 does not look yellow ever...only cream and white and it has that thing where it has a silvery look face up. There is a decent price difference because you are talking about o-p, si1 or si2 and m vs1.

The K is really gorgeous but it just reads very white white to me and I want warm. I would rather pay for size than color.

Anyway, I am having trouble choosing too. Maybe I will take a hundred more pictures and that will help! :rolleyes:
 
two_little_birds|1365984597|3426915 said:
They are all beautiful, what a tough choice to make! :naughty:

My personal favorite is the M colored stone (love those golf leaf photos). It's just stunning! Nice size too, especially for your small fingers.

The K reminds me of an AVR, the flower/petal facets are so prefect in that stone (chubby petals too). But go with your gut instinct, if you think it's too white then move on.

Size 5 - 5.5 fingers so not too small. ;) I never thought I had big hands until I was on PS. There are the smallest handed finger people on this website. :shock: Now I feel like I have man hands.

That's funny...on my last thread about the 2.71 some people thought it looked like an AVR too. I guess the K does in some pictures. Anyone out there that wants a nice spreading 2.66 K, VS1... :naughty:
 
rosetta|1365986584|3426929 said:
Wow, any of them would do me JUST FINE. :love:

Is your necklace 14 or 18k? I'm looking for that exact gold and low coloured diamond combo for my anniversary ring (unfortunately, still a long way away!)

Uh...that necklace...that is costume jewelry. :bigsmile: :oops: So, maybe gold plated...not sure. I just thought it was pretty.

However, I just took a look at it and I would guess that it more resembles 18k gold since it has a darker tone to it than the 14k gold I have.
 
WOW! I love this post. Wine and diamonds, what a lovely combo.

Since all three diamonds are so beautiful, I say choose the largest one. :devil:
 
WOW, so fun to get to play with all 3 at once! I'd go for the 3.33 myself. It's just SO BIG. :love: And the faceting is really pretty too! But the 2.7 is gorgeous, too-those 2 are my fave for sure.
 
This is the most incredible thread!

I hate to admit it but I haven't understood the nuance between the various descriptors people use to describe these lower colored diamonds and these pictures are extraordinarily helpful. I can (finally!) see the vanilla v gold v warm. They are gorgeous stones and I'd be thrilled with any of them! And in yellow gold too - my dream ring. I can't wait to see which you pick and how you'll set it. Do you have a setting in mind or are you going custom?
 
valmanin|1365990663|3426954 said:
rosetta|1365986584|3426929 said:
Wow, any of them would do me JUST FINE. :love:

Is your necklace 14 or 18k? I'm looking for that exact gold and low coloured diamond combo for my anniversary ring (unfortunately, still a long way away!)

Uh...that necklace...that is costume jewelry. :bigsmile: :oops: So, maybe gold plated...not sure. I just thought it was pretty.

However, I just took a look at it and I would guess that it more resembles 18k gold since it has a darker tone to it than the 14k gold I have.

Hahaha don't worry it's still useful to know. Looks like 18 k yellow gold is the one for me.

Can't wait to see your completed ring!
 
Love this thread! May I ask how you post a bunch of pics at a time? Whenever I try, I'm limited to 4.

Ok, back to go over the photos again. Thank god i don't have to choose between those stones!
 
Rosebloom|1365995141|3426988 said:
This is the most incredible thread!

I hate to admit it but I haven't understood the nuance between the various descriptors people use to describe these lower colored diamonds and these pictures are extraordinarily helpful. I can (finally!) see the vanilla v gold v warm. They are gorgeous stones and I'd be thrilled with any of them! And in yellow gold too - my dream ring. I can't wait to see which you pick and how you'll set it. Do you have a setting in mind or are you going custom?

Oh yeah!!! I was hoping to put some pictures together that could help with the warmer colors. They are so darn hard to capture. When I saw the wine I was like :twirl: THAT'S IT!!! That's what the K - P's look like to me in varying degrees. I think when you hear butter, antique lace, vanilla, etc....those terms are true, but because diamonds reflect and are not opaque it doesn't tell the whole story. So, the wine is transparent and the glass reflects back and also takes on environmental colors. Okay...this is getting very analytical. :lol:

As for the setting...well, if I do pick the 3.33, I am pretty much spending everything on the stone. I do have an idea to use one of Adam's settings in YG...it's a repro of hippi pixie's wring (hers is antique in platinum). If I went with the 2.71 I would have money to play with a setting and this stone is begging for a bezel. When I put anything around this stone the facet pattern pops. So, I think I would do a YG fine milgrained bezel.
 
GemFever|1365996952|3427010 said:
Love this thread! May I ask how you post a bunch of pics at a time? Whenever I try, I'm limited to 4.

Ok, back to go over the photos again. Thank god i don't have to choose between those stones!

Aw...thanks Gem. Glad you like it!!! I had more fun than one should really have photographing diamonds. :oops:

As for the posting pics. Hmmm...I have no idea...I just kept adding pictures and didn't have a problem. I will say that they each took a long time to upload which is :rolleyes: . How does it say you are limited to 4? That is curious.
 
Where did these come from? They are all so yum.

Overall I think I like the M best. I like the O/P best in the pic with the yellow gold, but in all the other pics it's the M that's getting me.
 
Great job valmanin-I love your comparison pics!
I think I prefer the M. First of all the size is great (and I am a size ho :cheeky: ) but I also prefer the faceting in most of the pics. It is hard to say for sure without seeing in person but based on most of your pics that is what I would choose. Though in one of your pics the O/P faceting looks gorgeous...so it really comes down to IRL how they look. Which one is your preference?

ETA: I just read what you wrote about the cost and setting...I would pick the M if that appeals to you the most and you could always change the setting down the road if you choose to but pick the diamond you love most now because settings are easier to change than diamonds IMO.
And that M is Maaaarvelous dahhhling. :appl:
 
Wow! I want to drink wine and play diamonds at your house! I'm totally jealous of your weekend!! I love them all but if it were me- get the largest diamond and set it simply for now. But I'm w Mssy - size DOES matter ;)) It also as beautiful faceting and I love the warmth of an M. And that spread---- :lickout: Please get the 3.3 so I can drool over it in future hand shots!
 
valmanin|1365990026|3426948 said:
Sarahbear621|1365982257|3426902 said:
yennyfire|1365979817|3426881 said:
What a TOUGH choice! Maybe you should keep all 3 and make a honkin' 3 stone??? :naughty: :lol:

I'd be hard pressed to choose one...good luck with that...maybe a few more glasses of wine will help?

OMG what a ring that would be!! :lickout: :shock: :!:

I actually really like all 3! Honestly I find it very hard to choose between the 3.33ct and the 2.71ct. I think the mm size would be minimal with that size difference? So pending on pricing I would go between those two stones. I personally like the M coloring over the O/P but just by a smidge!

My preference would be:
3.33
2.71
2.6 (just don't love the K personally)

The mm difference is 9.4 on 3.33 and 8.8 on 2.71. I definitely notice a difference. I love both of the colors....one has more of a golden tint and the other more vanilla. The 2.71 is just a smidge more lively...it has smaller facets (of course because it's smaller) but they really sparkle. The 3.33 does not look yellow ever...only cream and white and it has that thing where it has a silvery look face up. There is a decent price difference because you are talking about o-p, si1 or si2 and m vs1.

The K is really gorgeous but it just reads very white white to me and I want warm. I would rather pay for size than color.

Anyway, I am having trouble choosing too. Maybe I will take a hundred more pictures and that will help! :rolleyes:


Ok so that changes things! I thought the size difference would be closer to .4mm not .6mm. I would stick with the 3.33ct as I think if you go smaller you will still be stuck with wanting something bigger. There is nothing wrong with wanting size over all else. In this we are sisters from another mother :lol: :bigsmile:
 
distracts|1366000943|3427054 said:
Where did these come from? They are all so yum.

Overall I think I like the M best. I like the O/P best in the pic with the yellow gold, but in all the other pics it's the M that's getting me.

All three stones came from Adam at OWD. I had the O-P here last weekend with two cushions. Ruled out the cushions. Sent the O-P back to Adam to check the integrity of a feather close to the girdle. In the interim I decided to take a look at the bigger M since he thought it looked like the big sister of O-P just whiter and cleaner. He sent me the M. THEN, I needed to see the O-P with it in order to compare. High maintenance a little. :bigsmile: So, he sent me the O-P back. As a little surprise he included the K with it! He really does go above and beyond!!! Amazing experience working with him.
 
missy|1366023264|3427106 said:
Great job valmanin-I love your comparison pics!
I think I prefer the M. First of all the size is great (and I am a size ho :cheeky: ) but I also prefer the faceting in most of the pics. It is hard to say for sure without seeing in person but based on most of your pics that is what I would choose. Though in one of your pics the O/P faceting looks gorgeous...so it really comes down to IRL how they look. Which one is your preference?

ETA: I just read what you wrote about the cost and setting...I would pick the M if that appeals to you the most and you could always change the setting down the road if you choose to but pick the diamond you love most now because settings are easier to change than diamonds IMO.
And that M is Maaaarvelous dahhhling. :appl:

Aaahhhh...thanks Missy. I am glad you enjoyed the comparison pics!

I think my preference is for M because of size and the color is gorgeous! Also, it has a really nice girdle...not too thin etc. It is in really good shape. The faceting is beautiful.

But, the O-P is a little fireball with perfect faceting so when I look at it I really love it too! Then I think the M isn't as good a performer. Then I look at the M and it's gorgeous. Crazy I tell you! :lol: :roll:
 
Enerchi|1366024699|3427116 said:
Wow! I want to drink wine and play diamonds at your house! I'm totally jealous of your weekend!! I love them all but if it were me- get the largest diamond and set it simply for now. But I'm w Mssy - size DOES matter ;)) It also as beautiful faceting and I love the warmth of an M. And that spread---- :lickout: Please get the 3.3 so I can drool over it in future hand shots!

:bigsmile: It was fun I have to admit!!! You would have to come over today thought because at least 2 are going back. ;(
 
Sarahbear621|1366027798|3427143 said:
valmanin|1365990026|3426948 said:
Sarahbear621|1365982257|3426902 said:
yennyfire|1365979817|3426881 said:
What a TOUGH choice! Maybe you should keep all 3 and make a honkin' 3 stone??? :naughty: :lol:

I'd be hard pressed to choose one...good luck with that...maybe a few more glasses of wine will help?

OMG what a ring that would be!! :lickout: :shock: :!:

I actually really like all 3! Honestly I find it very hard to choose between the 3.33ct and the 2.71ct. I think the mm size would be minimal with that size difference? So pending on pricing I would go between those two stones. I personally like the M coloring over the O/P but just by a smidge!

My preference would be:
3.33
2.71
2.6 (just don't love the K personally)

The mm difference is 9.4 on 3.33 and 8.8 on 2.71. I definitely notice a difference. I love both of the colors....one has more of a golden tint and the other more vanilla. The 2.71 is just a smidge more lively...it has smaller facets (of course because it's smaller) but they really sparkle. The 3.33 does not look yellow ever...only cream and white and it has that thing where it has a silvery look face up. There is a decent price difference because you are talking about o-p, si1 or si2 and m vs1.

The K is really gorgeous but it just reads very white white to me and I want warm. I would rather pay for size than color.

Anyway, I am having trouble choosing too. Maybe I will take a hundred more pictures and that will help! :rolleyes:


Ok so that changes things! I thought the size difference would be closer to .4mm not .6mm. I would stick with the 3.33ct as I think if you go smaller you will still be stuck with wanting something bigger. There is nothing wrong with wanting size over all else. In this we are sisters from another mother :lol: :bigsmile:

Well, I would have size, but you have SIIIIIIIZZZZEEEE!!! :love:
 
I personally like the K just because I don't like a whole lot of tint. But it sounds like you prefer some tint so I would definitely go with the M. It is a beautiful stone and the size is great!
 
So, I slept on it last night and I think I can't compromise on the size.

Question remains: do I go with M or hold out for another 9.4 mm M with the perfect faceting and smaller table of the O-P??? I am such a perfectionist! Grrrr!!! :roll:
 
valmanin|1366029868|3427172 said:
So, I slept on it last night and I think I can't compromise on the size.

Question remains: do I go with M or hold out for another 9.4 mm M with the perfect faceting and smaller table of the O-P??? I am such a perfectionist! Grrrr!!! :roll:
Crack open a bottle of wine and I'll be right over to help you ponder this dilemma. I like to help where I can.... :halo: :praise: :saint:


That is a pretty sweet stone you have already... You just never know what may - or may NOT- surface in the future. But that's me, I'd take the "bird in the hand" now.... Good luck!
 
Enerchi|1366030459|3427179 said:
valmanin|1366029868|3427172 said:
So, I slept on it last night and I think I can't compromise on the size.

Question remains: do I go with M or hold out for another 9.4 mm M with the perfect faceting and smaller table of the O-P??? I am such a perfectionist! Grrrr!!! :roll:
Crack open a bottle of wine and I'll be right over to help you ponder this dilemma. I like to help where I can.... :halo: :praise: :saint:


That is a pretty sweet stone you have already... You just never know what may - or may NOT- surface in the future. But that's me, I'd take the "bird in the hand" now.... Good luck!

Yes, this is probably what I would do...you know Adam has a good trade up policy so if he ever gets a more perfect one in you can just trade up! But ofc only you know if you love this one...live with it for a bit more and see what your heart says.
 
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