Thank you! I do not mind the symmetry being off, I kind of like that about OMC. Would love for any and all suggestions on stones and already set rings.
So nice of you all to offer.
Old Mine Cut diamond opinion please
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Thank you! I do not mind the symmetry being off, I kind of like that about OMC. Would love for any and all suggestions on stones and already set rings.
So nice of you all to offer.You are 100% correct just figure I will never find a stone for that price with the VS 2 caret specs. I do not mind the wonky cuts, but you are correct would love more sparkle!! This one kind of reminded me of an asscher/emerald look compared to the sparkle of a round diamond. I also don't love cushion cuts.
I did have two jewelers look at it and they said it was a very clear stone... no idea what that means, they did not seem to the color was super off as advertised (which was a J). But thought KL range. Who knows, but too warm for me I guess.
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In general we don’t want diamonds to appear “glassy”. That is usually a result of a poor cut. You want to see lots of sparkle and scintillation, which is movement and pattern caused by the facets lighting up at different times. Glassy means you can see through it and that’s not really the main attraction for diamonds.
Diamonds can look cloudy when they are dirty (how often do you clean your ring? Like soak in a mixture of hot water, a few drops of dish soap and a teaspoon of household ammonia and scrub with a toothbrush?). Also some types of inclusions can cause that but only when they are extreme. But in most cases inclusions in the VS and SI range will not cause that effect and you just have to choose on a stone by stone basis which is eye clean.
You might have more luck attracting attention for help with your search if you start a new thread called “help me buy an old cut diamond” in the rocky talky forum. It gets more traffic.
Diamonds can look cloudy when they are dirty (how often do you clean your ring? Like soak in a mixture of hot water, a few drops of dish soap and a teaspoon of household ammonia and scrub with a toothbrush?). Also some types of inclusions can cause that but only when they are extreme. But in most cases inclusions in the VS and SI range will not cause that effect and you just have to choose on a stone by stone basis which is eye clean.
You might have more luck attracting attention for help with your search if you start a new thread called “help me buy an old cut diamond” in the rocky talky forum. It gets more traffic.
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Might have been the poor cut too as well cut stones show less body tint.
I want to thank everyone for your thoughtful replies and opinions. I really appreciate it. The offer to send me stone ideas is also very much appreciated. I do have some red flags about the second jeweler as I do have to put money down for him to start hunting for stones and I can't imagine he can find that size antique stone in my price range that I want... but who knows. Like I said I have searched on EBAY and saw nothing I could afford in the range and large size I want. EBAY did not seem to have many OMC's that I found that were in the 2 caret range. I am also open to vintage rings (love the idea of history with it).
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For what it's worth I found a 1.89 cara old euro on ebay for $3100 before taxes, there are lots of options out there!
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You may want to start following some IG sellers who specialized in old stones. Vintagegems_nh, Gildedlane, Vermaestatedepartment, I'll keep adding more as I think of them.
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I meant to hit reply to a different thing you said about sparkle. The stone can be totally clean and not sparkle. The cut is going to affect the sparkle. The clarity can affect it too if there is haze or clouds. But there can be a SI clarity without it being cloudy. Like others suggested, I would put your wishes in the Rocky Talky forum!
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Here is a pretty option from a seller I’ve purchased from before. May be worth reaching out to him.
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Here's one that is a GIA L color and is close to 8mm-which I assume you are looking for since you want a 2 ct. This should face up white and is returnable.
ivyandrose.com
But, as others have mentioned, best to start a thread in Rocky Talky
OLD EUROPEAN CUT LOOSE DIAMOND GIA CERTIFIED 1.86ct K SI1 VINTAGE NATURAL ESTATE
Highlights:- Original vintage diamond- GIA certified- Impressive 1.86ct size- Gorgeous old European cut- 100% eye clean with SI1 clarity. Few inclusions are tiny and located around the edges of the stone- Faces up nicely white with K color
ivyandrose.com
But, as others have mentioned, best to start a thread in Rocky Talky
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I would return the ring.
I think the stone could plausibly be antique like Dreamer states. I say this because it seems/appears to have a knife edge girdle. No frosted/bruted girdle, it’s a very wierd cut. I would have guessed Mazarin but the culet for Mazarin is six sided. This one has eight. Mazarin seems to have smaller tables and bruted girdles. This one is really odd. Large table, knife edge girdle. Eight sided culet. I can’t find a prototype.
Since it’s an odd stone it could be newly cut although it has hallmarks of old cutting styles. Color doesn’t warrant price imo. Setting breakage is insulting. Stone is not original to this setting which is more recent, though still antique. I think I see two French cuts on the sides, that’s nice. The vendor or whoever made that piece should not be selling it with such damage to the basket and clunky ill fitting prongs.
This piece is a mystery, but certainly not worth the investment time and energy for an experimental piece. I am positive you could find something in that price range that you won’t have to try to fix and love.
Here’s a link to Mazarin (beliw) and you can see that they are slightly different from this cut. Which I do think is old, just very unusual. Again it could also be experimental modern from India or wherever. I’ll keep looking for prototype examples out of curiosity.
I think the stone could plausibly be antique like Dreamer states. I say this because it seems/appears to have a knife edge girdle. No frosted/bruted girdle, it’s a very wierd cut. I would have guessed Mazarin but the culet for Mazarin is six sided. This one has eight. Mazarin seems to have smaller tables and bruted girdles. This one is really odd. Large table, knife edge girdle. Eight sided culet. I can’t find a prototype.
Since it’s an odd stone it could be newly cut although it has hallmarks of old cutting styles. Color doesn’t warrant price imo. Setting breakage is insulting. Stone is not original to this setting which is more recent, though still antique. I think I see two French cuts on the sides, that’s nice. The vendor or whoever made that piece should not be selling it with such damage to the basket and clunky ill fitting prongs.
This piece is a mystery, but certainly not worth the investment time and energy for an experimental piece. I am positive you could find something in that price range that you won’t have to try to fix and love.
Here’s a link to Mazarin (beliw) and you can see that they are slightly different from this cut. Which I do think is old, just very unusual. Again it could also be experimental modern from India or wherever. I’ll keep looking for prototype examples out of curiosity.
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Courtesy and copyright of GemConcepts:
Mazarin Cut (not what this is)
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Regent Pitt (not exactly either). It does show what a knife edge girdle looks like. Cut is turn of the century 1704.
diamondbuzz.blog
Mazarin Cut (not what this is)
Double Cut or Old English Star Diamonds - Gem Concepts
The predecessor to the standard brilliant is it a Mazarin an old English star or simply a double cut find out in my latest article
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Regent Pitt (not exactly either). It does show what a knife edge girdle looks like. Cut is turn of the century 1704.
The Regent Diamond - The Pawned Pitt Diamond | Diamond Buzz
The Regent Diamond is one of the legendary gemstones with a truly fascinating history that began more than 320 years ago. Like many of the world's famous diamonds, the gem accompanied by rumours, greed and murder never ceases to intrigue and attract.
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First diamond has potential.
I like stone number two. I also think Parks Fine Group does gorgeous settings usually for good prices.
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Her budget is 10k or less, including setting, so I think stone 2 is more than she'd like to spend.
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I think the budget is too low to get over the 2ct mark through regular vendors unless you hit lucky and nab a clean SI2 in the OP or more tinted range. Or maybe nab one of Jocelyn's finds (but they go so fast). It might stretch to 8mm. Or it will have to be an ebay type buy, which means stalking websites and developing good search parameters and most of all, being patient.
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try thinking about the mm size that you want, instead of the carat weight. Some older diamonds are cut very deep so the weight is in the bottom. You may find that you can be happy with a stone that is of a certain mm, but less deep and therefore a smaller than 2 ct. weight. It would be helpful to know the measurements of your stone since you seem happy with the size.
Very true. I am not sure about MM good thinking. Need to think about that.
Here's one that is a GIA L color and is close to 8mm-which I assume you are looking for since you want a 2 ct. This should face up white and is returnable.
OLD EUROPEAN CUT LOOSE DIAMOND GIA CERTIFIED 1.86ct K SI1 VINTAGE NATURAL ESTATE
Highlights:- Original vintage diamond- GIA certified- Impressive 1.86ct size- Gorgeous old European cut- 100% eye clean with SI1 clarity. Few inclusions are tiny and located around the edges of the stone- Faces up nicely white with K color
But, as others have mentioned, best to start a thread in Rocky Talky
I really have my heart set on an OMC. But that is gorgeous.
This is what I was afraid of, but willing to be patient. Ebay is fine with me. Who or what is Jocelyn's finds? I will post on the main page as well, haven't had a minute.
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FYI Here’s an example of a MODERN old cut looking diamond.
If the current stone is not even lab reported it could be worth way less because it might be modern, lab, low color, etc. no lab report means it could be anything. I wouldn’t spend that kind of $$ on a diamond with no lab report.
If the current stone is not even lab reported it could be worth way less because it might be modern, lab, low color, etc. no lab report means it could be anything. I wouldn’t spend that kind of $$ on a diamond with no lab report.
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Wow that’s wild!!
10 years ago and even today for smaller purchase I am okay without a lab report. But I am finding that nowadays even on eBay reputable sellers offer their old cuts with lab reports. It’s so common! I agree that I would probably not make a large purchase without a lab report. Though, inclusions still differentiate labs from natural.
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Another OEC at your max price range, but I & R could make you an inexpensive temp setting:
ivyandrose.com
Worth watching-it may get marked down further.
2.11ct GIA CERTIFIED L SI1 OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND VINTAGE LOOSE NATURAL 2ct
This stunning 2.11ct old European cut GIA certified diamond is 100% eye clean and dazzlingly brilliant. Cut by hand a lifetime ago, it is completely unique, guaranteed to be 100% conflict free, and full of old world charm. Historied and full of life, this diamond will make an engagement or right...
ivyandrose.com
Worth watching-it may get marked down further.
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Another OEC at your max price range, but I & R could make you an inexpensive temp setting:
2.11ct GIA CERTIFIED L SI1 OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND VINTAGE LOOSE NATURAL 2ct
This stunning 2.11ct old European cut GIA certified diamond is 100% eye clean and dazzlingly brilliant. Cut by hand a lifetime ago, it is completely unique, guaranteed to be 100% conflict free, and full of old world charm. Historied and full of life, this diamond will make an engagement or right...
Worth watching-it may get marked down further.
She seems to have her heart set on an OMC.
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I know-but it's always good to have comps
Wow! Very valid point thank you. I thought lab diamonds would be easy to tell. I guess not!
Another OEC at your max price range, but I & R could make you an inexpensive temp setting:
2.11ct GIA CERTIFIED L SI1 OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND VINTAGE LOOSE NATURAL 2ct
This stunning 2.11ct old European cut GIA certified diamond is 100% eye clean and dazzlingly brilliant. Cut by hand a lifetime ago, it is completely unique, guaranteed to be 100% conflict free, and full of old world charm. Historied and full of life, this diamond will make an engagement or right...
Worth watching-it may get marked down further.
Thank you. I have looked at this seller a ton over the years, always have gorg stones.
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Do you not love cushion cuts because of the shape or because of the cut? Sometimes omc can be called antique cushions or have a gia cert saying such.
Also omc are usually deep so you'll probably be looking at 7.7mm or less for a 2 carat. I would really consider options that aren't "2 carat" because you'll get more value if they miss that mark.
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