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OMG! That missing sub!

yssie said:
+100.
Race, class, and money.
Again.
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Money, yes and the fact that this was something I believe a lot of people were watching because it has to do with the Titanic which always raises interest.
Race, no, there were British, Pakistan and French on board the Titan and migrants of other countries on the boat so many races, not one against another.
 
Daisys and Diamonds said:
education doesnt always equate to common sense

there is a reason you cant drive a car on the road you knock together yourself or heaverly modify without it going through cetification
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I agree completely. I didn’t state it so eloquently. To me, this is a tragic example of someone’s hubris getting in the way of common sense and science. From what I’m reading, carbon fiber should never have been used on the sub among other questionable practices. He must of been convincing enough for the others to join. The prospect of seeing the Titanic plus the lack of alternative options really clouded judgement. A tragedy that could and should have been avoided. Memory Eternal to all on board.
 
Advancement in medicine, science and technology usually involved some human tragedies along the way.

To me, this is another example.

DK :confused2:
 
I was stepping out of this thread as I shared my thoughts and I don't need to defend my position. However just SMH reading some of the replies after my post. Who the eff cares if he was 19 or 9??? This was a tragic event with lives lost age notwithstanding. They had families and loved ones whose lives are now forever changed without them. It is not my place to judge their character and you can judge away but you don't know them. None of us do. You only know what you read which speaking of "facts" is likely full of inaccuracies.


And of course this too was a huge tragedy. There is no need to compare and contrast tragedies. Unfortunately there's plenty of them to go around :(

 
missy said:
I was stepping out of this thread as I shared my thoughts and I don't need to defend my position. However just SMH reading some of the replies after my post. Who the eff cares if he was 19 or 9??? This was a tragic event with lives lost age notwithstanding. They had families and loved ones whose lives are now forever changed without them. It is not my place to judge their character and you can judge away but you don't know them. None of us do. You only know what you read which speaking of "facts" is likely full of inaccuracies.


And of course this too was a huge tragedy. There is no need to compare and contrast tragedies. Unfortunately there's plenty of them to go around :(

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Many people care about facts? You don't need to defend your position, but posting fake news is not cool and you can't really be that upset about people correcting it.
 
Lookinagain said:
I know that. I was just trying to make a point that even though he wasn't a little boy, he wouldn't be considered a man yet by many. Not trying to survey the drinking age of various countries.
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Sorry, it was not clear in your post that's what you were trying to convey!

DK :roll2:
 
telephone89 said:
Many people care about facts? You don't need to defend your position, but posting fake news is not cool and you can't really be that upset about people correcting it.
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I wasn't posting news. I was sharing my thoughts. I did not know their ages nor do their ages matter. IMO
 
My previous posts were based on interviews with the CEO himself. He himself said he broke rules to build the sub and thought regulation stifled innovation. There have been concerns raised with the safety of his sub that were never addressed. I doubt the others were aware of them as I'm not sure how they could of known. However as mentioned, the CEO himself was on the sub so he truly believed in his product. It's a tragedy and the lessons taken from this can be used to prevent future tragedies.
 
missy said:
I wasn't posting news. I was sharing my thoughts. I did not know their ages nor do their ages matter. IMO
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Agreed 10000%. I have been appalled reading here and elsewhere since it went missing. These were PEOPLE with families and friends. Nothing more matters. The loss of a PERSON is sad and not something to be celebrated or joked about or minimized. Can you imagine the friends of these people or their wives, children, grandchildren, and more seeing conversations like this? The loss of their lives does not matter any more or any less than the loss of the other lives that have been happening. Seeing justifications for poor behavior and a lack of empathy towards the family, at the very least, has been difficult these past days.

FWIW, a friend actually knew the captain. He was local to our area and active in the community I am part of. He was a respected person in the community and will be missed. I didn't know him personally, but a number of my friends did.
 
It is sad. Tragic. I don’t think anyone is immune to feeling sorry for lost life and the families that are left to grieve. Choices were made in the construction and presentation of this sub. Some were clearly not the best. Choices were made to take this voyage. I am quite sure they were all fairly confident that it would be successful or they wouldn’t have boarded. I think many people feel that they wouldn’t have made the choice to go - for a whole host of reasons. I think that is the basis for any negative thoughts or comments - not that they lost their lives.
Personally, I don’t understand the drive that explorers have whether it is the Titanic or Mt. Everest. Just not in my DNA I guess. I feel that some of those choices are fool hearted but if it weren’t for those types of people, we might still be on horseback. So there is that. I am guessing that there will be lots more information to come regarding when, where and how this all happened. None of us has all the facts yet so some reactions are just sort of knee jerk at this point. I am as sorry for them as I am for anyone on any given day that loses their life. All of our lives may end based on choices and decisions we make so a softer approach may be the best.
 
MissGotRocks said:
I think many people feel that they wouldn’t have made the choice to go - for a whole host of reasons. I think that is the basis for any negative thoughts or comments - not that they lost their lives.
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That's the thing...if I were into adventurous exploring and had the money, I can see the scenarios where I would also choose to go. I mentioned earlier these were bright people and one of them was a regular explorer. I highly doubt they knew about the safety concerns and I'm not sure where they would of known about them since it didn't seem anything was publicly available. What I struggle with is how the CEO justified to himself his vessel was fine despite the numerous concerns raised to him over the years. An example of why regulation is crucial and I believe more regulations will be put in place due to this incident.
 
Petalouda said:
That's the thing...if I were into adventurous exploring and had the money, I can see the scenarios where I would also choose to go. I mentioned earlier these were bright people and one of them was a regular explorer. I highly doubt they knew about the safety concerns and I'm not sure where they would of known about them since it didn't seem anything was publicly available. What I struggle with is how the CEO justified to himself his vessel was fine despite the numerous concerns raised to him over the years. An example of why regulation is crucial and I believe more regulations will be put in place due to this incident.
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Exactly. Going on this vessel himself, is one thing. He admitted he was a rule breaker and risk taker. But to know there had been many red flags that may not have been made public should have prevented him from taking others who probably didn't have all the data that he did. And to do it for a profit...
 
From things I have seen on tv this evening, he had cited several certifications from companies and suppliers that apparently weren’t true. He was on a quest and clearly didn’t want to be deterred by recommendations or regulations. He paid the ultimate price but so did a few others that probably weren’t well informed. Such a terrible tragedy that didn’t have to happen.

Regulation is often rebuffed - particularly when done by the government - but clearly some people and companies fail to regulate themselves. When people’s personal safety is at risk, regulation is a must IMO.
 
Petalouda said:
That's the thing...if I were into adventurous exploring and had the money, I can see the scenarios where I would also choose to go. I mentioned earlier these were bright people and one of them was a regular explorer. I highly doubt they knew about the safety concerns and I'm not sure where they would of known about them since it didn't seem anything was publicly available. What I struggle with is how the CEO justified to himself his vessel was fine despite the numerous concerns raised to him over the years. An example of why regulation is crucial and I believe more regulations will be put in place due to this incident.
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Regulations often keep safety back not up with modern technologies. A previous airplane we had was lap belts only not because there weren't shoulder harnesses or even five point harnesses available, but because regulations said no. The other model (nearly identical but a bit heavier) had them approved. No one had bothered for the one we had and no one was stepping up for the millions of dollars in paperwork to get it done. So just lap belts. That's okay, it matched the ancient brake pads that were discontinued and couldn't be replaced with the better ones. The technology that makes things much much safer is often available for YEARS before regulations catch up and allow it in the certified vehicles.
 
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