Opinion on Russian Diamonds

[Dancing Fire]

Its not really a sales pitch. Everyone in the diamond business knows Russian cut diamonds tend to have better makes. Russian cut diamonds usually use up most of the rough material for a single diamond. Where as many other cutters tend to make two diamonds or try to save on the size of a diamond.

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[Mig888]

Wow, just got in from a very long day at work and did not realize the hornets nest I would stir up. Christina is correct, I am simply trying to purchase an eternity ring for my wife for our 25th anniversary. I have found two what look to be beautiful oval eternity rings-- however, i am not very knowledgeable about diamonds. I want the ring to be very special and do not mind paying top dollar to buy the best ring I can find.

As stated in my other post, I found one ring with 16 stones that averages .41 carats per stone. The dealer was kind enough to give me the GIA certificate for each diamond. Each diamond is GIA certified to be "D" color, VS1 or better. The diamonds appear to be very well matched and he is asking a premium for this ring based on the fact that the stones are all high quality and well matched. Christina is one hundred percent correct, the GIA certificates do not rate or certify cut-- although it gives me a lot of other data on each stone such as Dep, Tab, Girdle, Cul, Pol, Sym and Fl. I don't even know what most of these are referring to.

The second ring Has 15 stones averaging .50, with only 5 certified stones with colors ranging from D to G and VS2 to SI2 clarity. The diamonds in this ring are clearly bigger and to my untrained eye, it looks like a nice ring--but i really dont know what i am doing.

Although the first ring has smaller stones, i am told it is more expensive for several reasons. First, the stones are of better quality. Second, all stones are certified as opposed to only 5 in the second ring. Third, there is one more stone in the smaller ring. Finally, the dealer says that it is hard to get 16 well matched ovals of the same size and of this quality to put together in a single ring.

Finally, what caused me to start this thread was the fact that the dealer, who is not a retailer and rarely sells directly to consumers, stated that these are Russian diamonds and that the Russians cut stones for beauty without solely concentrating on getting the most out of the raw diamond. I was recommended to this dealer because he is one of the largest, most reputable wholesaler in my city. I trust him, but simply wanted to get opinions from people on this Forum because most of you are very knowledgeable and passionate about diamonds. Again, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Diamondcrush]

Wow, just got in from a very long day at work and did not realize the hornets nest I would stir up. Christina is correct, I am simply trying to purchase an eternity ring for my wife for our 25th anniversary. I have found two what look to be beautiful oval eternity rings-- however, i am not very knowledgeable about diamonds. I want the ring to be very special and do not mind paying top dollar to buy the best ring I can find.

As stated in my other post, I found one ring with 16 stones that averages .41 carats per stone. The dealer was kind enough to give me the GIA certificate for each diamond. Each diamond is GIA certified to be "D" color, VS1 or better. The diamonds appear to be very well matched and he is asking a premium for this ring based on the fact that the stones are all high quality and well matched. Christina is one hundred percent correct, the GIA certificates do not rate or certify cut-- although it gives me a lot of other data on each stone such as Dep, Tab, Girdle, Cul, Pol, Sym and Fl. I don't even know what most of these are referring to.

The second ring Has 15 stones averaging .50, with only 5 certified stones with colors ranging from D to G and VS2 to SI2 clarity. The diamonds in this ring are clearly bigger and to my untrained eye, it looks like a nice ring--but i really dont know what i am doing.

Although the first ring has smaller stones, i am told it is more expensive for several reasons. First, the stones are of better quality. Second, all stones are certified as opposed to only 5 in the second ring. Third, there is one more stone in the smaller ring. Finally, the dealer says that it is hard to get 16 well matched ovals of the same size and of this quality to put together in a single ring.

Finally, what caused me to start this thread was the fact that the dealer, who is not a retailer and rarely sells directly to consumers, stated that these are Russian diamonds and that the Russians cut stones for beauty without solely concentrating on getting the most out of the raw diamond. I was recommended to this dealer because he is one of the largest, most reputable wholesaler in my city. I trust him, but simply wanted to get opinions from people on this Forum because most of you are very knowledgeable and passionate about diamonds. Again, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Can you post a picture of the ring please. The D VS1+ sounds delightful. I was stating the same about Russian diamonds. Are stones calibrated perfectly?

 

[Mig888]

I would post a picture if I knew how. I also don't know what calibration means.

 

[Mig888]

Here is a picture of the smaller ring taken from my phone so it is not the best picture

 

[Karl_K]

I would post a picture if I knew how. I also don't know what calibration means.

Well matched to each other in shape, cutting, size, and color.
Ovals come with many different shapes, wide and short,narrow and long, so on and so forth.
There are many different cutting diagrams/styles for ovals as well as varies levels of each type.
In others words do they all look and perform alike? Similar in color? eyeclean?

 

[Karl_K]

Here is a picture of the smaller ring taken from my phone so it is not the best picture

The ones I can see look well matched.
With the exposed diamonds you do know you will not be able to wear another ring with it?

 

[Mig888]

Here is another picture of the smaller ring

 

[Mig888]

The diamonds are all D color VS1 or better. They look to be the same size and match well. I guess it is well calibrated. All my wife wears is a wedding band. She has not worn her engagement ring since the day we were married. Has been in the safe deposit box for nearly 25 years.

 

[NonieMarie]

I feel like we have sort of gotten away from what the OP is asking about. He has another thread on RT where he is considering purchasing a lg ct weight eternity band for his wife. The stones have all been graded by GIA but are Oval in shape and therefore have no cut grade. He is really just looking for information about whether or not there is a reason for him to be concerned about purchasing diamonds sourced and cut from Russia.

ETA ...and I'm quite sure that he isn't purchasing from a PS vendor or a trades member from this forum.

I had posted a similar response but it disappeared. Christina, I don't know how this turned into a pissing contest. I would think that if all the diamonds have GIA certificates and the ring looks beautiful to the OP it should be a great choice. It doesn't matter where the diamonds came from and who cut them. OP, just go on how they look to you. They are perfectly matched stones and if you think she will wear it and not lock it in a safety deposit box, then get it. I would love to have such a beautiful ring

 

[diagem]

...stated that these are Russian diamonds and that the Russians cut stones for beauty without solely concentrating on getting the most out of the raw diamond.

This is just another sign of the primitiveness of our industry…
The old saying was that Diamonds cut in “Soviet” Russia were cut based on older planning methods. Together with the fact that most Diamonds were property of the former government, most Diamonds were cut consistently based on the older planning method.

Were they nicer? Well that depends who you ask, I also tend to agree Diamonds cut in former Soviet Russia were cut to better proportions. But that is History!

Since the EU forced a separation between the DeBeers & Russian Diamond marketing monopoly in early 2000, Russian Rough is scattered around the whole globe for manufacturers to cut.

To your original enquiry, most Russian Rough Diamonds are not cut by Russian cutters anymore, and even if they were, there is a great variety of cutting houses in Russia today and each one of those practices differently.

 

[Karl_K]

The diamonds are all D color VS1 or better. They look to be the same size and match well. I guess it is well calibrated. All my wife wears is a wedding band. She has not worn her engagement ring since the day we were married. Has been in the safe deposit box for nearly 25 years.

It looks nice.
That's all I can really say from 2 cell phone pics.

 

[denverappraiser]

Made in Russia = Good. Really?
Mined in Russia = Better rocks. Really?
Ethnic Russian cutters are better than cutters of other backgrounds. Really?

These don’t even pass a casual smell test. There are some fine craftsmen in Russia both cutting and making jewelry, but it’s not their address or their ethnicity that makes them skilled. It’s not a difficult concept… Evaluate each product on it’s own merits. Support Russian companies and workers if you like, just like you are welcome to support Canadian, US or African workers if you like, but this does NOT make their products any ‘better’.

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

The smaller oval ring looks beautiful to me. Since it has grading reports on the stones and they look well matched, you should seriously consider the ring.


Annette

 

[Bosie]

Does it matter where the rough diamond comes from, isn't a diamond a diamond?
I always thought what made the difference was the quality of the cutter, so you could have a Russian or Canadian diamond cut in Belgium, or India or Israel.

 

[John P]

Does it matter where the rough diamond comes from, isn't a diamond a diamond?
I always thought what made the difference was the quality of the cutter, so you could have a Russian or Canadian diamond cut in Belgium, or India or Israel.

That's correct. Pipe-mined rough and alluvial rough have cosmetic external differences, but once a crystal - from anywhere in the world - is in a manufacturer's hands the beauty of the diamond is up to the planner, sawyer, bruter and polishers.

 

[TitanCi]

Gee, Diamondcrush - 15 posts since 2010? And 14.5 came from this one thread? Wow...

Anyway, I'd rather have a better cut, smaller stone vs the triple VG in your 5.9 vs. 5.42 example. You save one weight, but how does that mean the stones the Russians cut are better? Seems counter-intuitive...


"Mig" - are you Russian by any chance?

 

[Mig888]

No, I am not Russian and I am not in the jewelry business. I a simply an average guy from Miami trying to buy his wife a nice anniversary present and I know nothing about diamonds. That is why I posted here seeking advice. Isn't that one of the purposes of this forum? Have I satisfied you that I have no ulterior motive?

 

[kenny]

No, I am not Russian and I am not in the jewelry business. I a simply an average guy from Miami trying to buy his wife a nice anniversary present and I know nothing about diamonds. That is why I posted here seeking advice. Isn't that one of the purposes of this forum? Have I satisfied you that I have no ulterior motive?

So you got a new career last night?
Yesterday your sig line advertised, DiamondCrush.com.
Now that you are under the microscope you deleted your sigline.
Hmmm.

Here's a snip from Diamondcrush's website:
" Founded in 2005, DiamondCrush.com has become one of the largest online retailer of High end Designer watches and fine jewelry. DiamondCrush.com, offers the highest quality Clarity Enhanced Diamond Engagement Rings the market has to offer. ".

 

[Diamondcrush]

No, I am not Russian and I am not in the jewelry business. I a simply an average guy from Miami trying to buy his wife a nice anniversary present and I know nothing about diamonds. That is why I posted here seeking advice. Isn't that one of the purposes of this forum? Have I satisfied you that I have no ulterior motive?

So you got a new career last night?
Yesterday your sig line advertised, DiamondCrush.com.
Now that you are under the microscope you deleted your sigline.
Hmmm.

Here's a snip from Diamondcrush's website:
" Founded in 2005, DiamondCrush.com has become one of the largest online retailer of High end Designer watches and fine jewelry. DiamondCrush.com, offers the highest quality Clarity Enhanced Diamond Engagement Rings the market has to offer. ".

Kenny You are associating me(diamondcrush) with mig, and we are two completly different users. Thanks.

 

[kenny]

Opps.
My bad.
I apologize.

 

[TitanCi]

Opps.
My bad.
I apologize.

LOL! It's ok Kenny because
1) you have a Senegal
2) you have super sweet colored stones.

Mig- I was asking if you're Russian cuz, you know, Russians make Migs (i.e. jets).

There's a bit of humor to your site, DiamondCrush... diamonds... clarity enhanced... crush... diamonds that are really clarity enhanced... easy to crush? Just sayin'.

 

[Mig888]

My initials are MIG

 

[Ella]

If you have nothing helpful to say to the OP, please stay out of this thread.

Last warning.