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Hi! Well, you definitely need pictures or something. A 1 ct H VS2 for 3K seems low.
 
Date: 10/23/2006 5:49:53 PM
Author: JulieN
Hi! Well, you definitely need pictures or something. A 1 ct H VS2 for 3K seems low.
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I agree. Plus the girdle has me concerned as well.
 
Personally, I''d be concerned about the ex thn girdle although the strong fluor is probably the main reason for the low price. I think the setting is lovely though. Classic and very tasteful.
 
Please explain the girdle concern, thanks for the help!
 
The extremely thin part is worriesome. Prone to chipping. You need to find out what part of the girdle is extremely thin. ETA: The strong blue fluro isn't a problem unless it makes the stone appear cloudy or milky. I have an asscher with it, and it's clear as day. So that's not a big concern for me. But something you need to check out.
 
I''d only buy that stone if it were going to be bezel set in a halo. Then it could be safe. The halo would make it look larger as well.
 
These are the emails that I''ve received in response to questions....

The 1.00ct-H-VS2 radiant cut that you have requested is available for purchase. Excellent choice! No need for concern over the "strong" fluorescent rating. The diamond is beautifully white as well as 100% eye-clean from flaws. If you would like a photograph of this diamond, then that is a service that we can provide. There is a $30 fee that we would charge, however that fee is refundable upon purchase of the item. Keep in mind that we also offer you a full 30-day return policy as well which will afford you the opportunity of examining the diamond for yourself first hand. Just let me know how you would like to proceed and I will be more than happy to assist.

and

I wouldn''t be able to say for sure where the very thin portion of the girdle
is located, but I can assure you that there are no reasons for concern at
all as it relates to the structural integrity of the diamond. There would
be no issues with regard to mounting this diamond safely. Also, we would
match the quality of the side diamonds with the quality of the center.
 
if you can''t say for sure where the very thin part of the girdle is, how do you know it''s safe for setting?
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i''m not impressed.
 
Date: 10/24/2006 3:36:55 PM
Author: belle
if you can''t say for sure where the very thin part of the girdle is, how do you know it''s safe for setting?
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i''m not impressed.
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Yup, my thoughts exactly....
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The customer service associate clarified some things, here is the email (sorry for just posting email conversations I don''t feel like retyping this stuff). Does this all seem reasonable, I plan on having a picture taken as you guys suggested and I''ll probably have it examined also since the fees can be applied to the price of the diamond.

"Please know that when
the diamond was first evaluated today that I did confirm that there were no
durability issues when considering the "extremely thin" girdle rating that
is indicated on the GIA report. However, upon my first call the "exact"
location of the "extremely thin" area of the girdle was not discussed with
my colleague. I just spoke with my colleague again and was told that even
when observing the diamond under 10x magnification that it appears to be
even all the way around the girdle. Essentially, the "exact" location of
that portion of the girdle could not be determined. Based upon this
information I would have to believe that the "extremely thin" area of the
girdle most likely is occurring at either the position of the "natural" or
the "extra facet". However, if you would like for us to examine the diamond
under a microscope, then we can provide that service when we have the
diamond brought in for photography. Once again, this is a beautiful diamond
and I fully believe that you will be pleased with the outcome once you have
had the opportunity to see it for yourself. Feel free to call or email me
when you are ready to proceed with further evaluation of the diamond and I
will be glad to help."
 
Is this a satisfactory explanation.
 
if you''re satisfied with it, it is.
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personally, i wonder how they can say it is such a beautiful diamond if they haven''t even seen it.
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Here is a picture of the diamond that I had them take for me. They stated that the diamond was eyeclean.

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Also, in regards to the thin girdle, I plan on ensuring the diamond so I am not very concerned about it.
 

it will face up larger than a 1 ct princess


Though some might say they don't like the darkness surrounding the culet, I think it looks quite nice for the price.

 
I was thinking the same thing as you in regards to how it would face up.
 
Based on the photo of the diamond you posted, it looks to me like it is not symetrical. Look at the left and right "sides" of the diamond. The right side is a lot shorter than the left side. It looks like this is caused by the south-east corner of the diamond being at a steeper angle than the southwest corner (if that makes any sense). In other words, if you draw a line from the corner at 4 o''clock on the diamond, it does not instersect the with the corner at 8 o''clock like it whould if the diamond were symetrical.

Maybe someone who knows how to use photoshop could draw this line to better illustrate what I''m talking about...

Best of luck finding a stone!
 
I see what you mean. How out of the ordinary is that when it comes to diamonds?

Here is the GIA certificate, they note that symettry is good, but from what I''ve learned so far, good isn''t really good when it comes to diamonds.

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Since the major concern is the extremely thin girdle, maybe pictures of the sideviews would be of some help? The responses that the customer service associate gives you don''t seem satisfactory to me because they basically avoid the question by saying that they can''t see it under a 10X microscope. Is it not there if you can''t see it?
 
Which vendor is this? Is it James Allen? Or is it just the James Allen setting you are using?
 
James Allen vendor
 
Those bottom corneres are probably what got it the good symmetry rating. But over all it looks like a pretty diamond.
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Besides you''ll have a hard time finding anything else close to that size for that price!
 
It looks very pretty to me ... and I agree it seems like a great price for the size. Strong Blue in an H color seems awesome ... might make it face up like a "G" or "F" ...

If you or your lady are not symmetry nuts (i.e - little flaws in symmetry don't bother you) it could be a STEAL!!

The e-ring setting seems pretty ... but it's not something I'd choose for myself.

Good luck! I hope it's the one so we can see more pix of it!!!


ETA: I prefer this James Allen setting for that stone ... because I like it when the diamond go all the way to the sides of the finger ... rather than just two small round diamonds on either side of the octagonal stone.this one But that's just my opinion ... the Danhov ones would look AMAZING with the octagonal stone as well!!!! But are pricier .. start at $1200.
 
I see what you mean. How out of the ordinary is that when it comes to diamonds?
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Non-symmetry is neither ordinary or unordinary. There are lots of diamonds out there that are symmetrical or very close to it (these are generally the ones with the ideal or excellent cuts) and there are also tons that are not (generally some of the diamonds that get good or below cut ratings). As the consumer you choose which one you are going to purchase.

So, the way I see it, the question isn''t whether getting an asymmetrical diamond is okay because it is "ordinary/common." Rather, it really comes down to if you and your fiancee can live with having a diamond on her finger that is noticably asymmetrical. If both of you would rather just get the biggest stone for your money and are not concerned about perfect diamond shape, then go for it! That''s a very valid decision because everyone has to make different trade offs between size and other attributes when selecting a diamond. But, if either of you are the kinds perfectionists who can''t see past small flaws and your enjoyment of the diamond will be dimished because you dwell too much on the asymetry above all else, then perhaps looking at some other options would be a wise idea.

Personally, it just seems to me that asymmetry is a lot easier to see than some other possible trade-offs you could make to save money (i.e. going to an SI1 rather than a VS2 in clarity or going from an H to an I in color). Bottom line: think about her personality type.

Good luck with it!
 
this is my suggestion .. similar to yours but all the way across the top of the ring.

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Or here is the Danhov setting at JA ... for $1200 in white gold. Those split prongs would look great on the cut corners of the octagonal radiant ....

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I do like your first suggestion. And they offer it in a set.



As far as the symmetry, I think it will be just fine with the diamond I'm looking at. My girlfriend honestly has no knowledge of diamonds and would be mostly concerned with having a big rock with a lot of flash.
 
Actually, the 10 stone looks even better...

 
Love the 10 stone! Very pretty!

Some gals like the matching band & having a "set" ... but some like the look of a diamond w-band with a plain e-ring --OR-- a plain w-band paired with a diamond band e-ring. Or even two plain bands flanking the ering or two diamond bands flanking the ering.

She might want input THEN!
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Are you gonna get that stone & setting ya think??

BTW -- did you see the danhov setting that is a diamond halo all the way around an octagonal stone?? That kind of setting would protect the thin part of the girdle and give a very, very BIG look to the ring. Just an idea! Most men don't think of halo rings as an option but some of the ladies on here that are picking out their own rings go CRAZY for them. Not sure if it's your gal's taste or not!
 
Here is the "halo" one I mentioned ... one advantage to this kind of setting is the wedding band would fit under the "halo" part & sit flush, but because the metal sides are smooth, not ridged, the diamonds don''t rub against each other.

The other advantage is that it makes a 1ct stone look as big as a 2-3 ct ring!
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