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stonecutter2

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This is potentially the diamond for the engagement ring I'm going to be buying soon :)

What do you think?

Measurements: 5.89 - 5.92 x 3.60 mm
Carat Weight: 0.75 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VVS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 61.0%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 33.0°
Crown Height: 13.5%
Pavilion Angle: 41.4°
Pavilion Depth: 44.0%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics:
Pinpoint

Thanks for any opinions on this!

Edit: This is from bluenile.com, so actual photos seem to not be an option :\ But, when I got it, I'd take it into a jeweler to see what they thought, and I'd scrutinize it under a microscope.

Since I'm buying online sight unseen, I'm going for the better clarity grade to err on the side of caution. And my girl's worth the extra cost for a nice diamond :)

-Mike
 
Hi stone,

I understand wanting the better clarity because of sight unseen, however, the VS1-VS2 range would definitely be sufficient. What I would concentrate on more is cut. The angle combo on this, (in particular the pavilion agle) is extremely iffy. When the pavilion hits 41 and over, and Idealscope pic is really necessary to see if the stone is suffering from light leakage, which is typical at this level.

Of course you can always have it looked at as you indicated, but if you wanted to avoid a (very possible) return, you could try finding one with a bit better angles.
 
Date: 5/14/2009 8:51:34 AM
Author: Ellen
Hi stone,

I understand wanting the better clarity because of sight unseen, however, the VS1-VS2 range would definitely be sufficient. What I would concentrate on more is cut. The angle combo on this, (in particular the pavilion agle) is extremely iffy. When the pavilion hits 41 and over, and Idealscope pic is really necessary to see if the stone is suffering from light leakage, which is typical at this level.

Of course you can always have it looked at as you indicated, but if you wanted to avoid a (very possible) return, you could try finding one with a bit better angles.
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Ditto
 
Here's a few for instances on a substitute. I also included F's, you won't see any difference.
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http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-e-color-vs2-clarity_LD01017470?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0#grading_report

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs2-clarity_LD01126435?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-e-color-vs1-clarity_LD01400309?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0#grading_report
 
Excellent, thanks for the opinions, and the very quick responses :)

I found another post here that outlines some angle preferences, and I''m going to use those as a guideline. Judging from what you and others have said - yeah, this rock can stay right where it is!
 
Glad to be of help sc! If you have any other questions, don''t hesitate to ask.
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And you''re welcome!
 
Also found this one:
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs2-clarity_LD01135436?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0
 
By the way, in addition to soliciting opinions, I''m going to be using this thread to keep track of all of my "contenders" :)
 
Oh, and should I be concerned over the "feather" clarity characteristic? I read some descriptions that said they were essentially little cracks, and no matter how small, I feel like that''s something I don''t want in the stone :P

Also, one of the stones linked above had an "indented natural" - is that okay? What really is that?
 
Date: 5/14/2009 9:21:39 AM
Author: stonecutter2
Oh, and should I be concerned over the 'feather' clarity characteristic? I read some descriptions that said they were essentially little cracks, and no matter how small, I feel like that's something I don't want in the stone :P

Also, one of the stones linked above had an 'indented natural' - is that okay? What really is that?
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This is advice posted from expert Jonathon Klemt concerning naturals

"I think naturals are some of the most interesting features of diamond polish and clarity. Naturals and indented naturals happen most often around the girdle of the diamond. They don't usually effect the brilliance negatively unless they are large and encroach on facets. Often times by keeping naturals on the stone the cutter can often retain more weight with minimal effect on the appearance. I have even heard leaving naturals on the girdle can be a mark of excellent cutting.

Generally they are no problem, but you would probably want them checked out by an expert to make sure an indented natural doesn't leave the girdle too thin and prone to chipping. "

Concerning feathers in VS clarities there should not be an issue but it doesn't hurt to check, if you don't personally like the idea of them then look for a non feathered diamond if possible.
 
I kind of like the idea of the indented natural - having a bit of the actual rough skin of the diamond might be a fun little characteristic to the diamond. However, I''m afraid it might detract from the overall appearance of the stone in the setting.

I''m tempted to get that stone ordered and inspect it myself.
 
Date: 5/14/2009 10:03:32 AM
Author: stonecutter2
I kind of like the idea of the indented natural - having a bit of the actual rough skin of the diamond might be a fun little characteristic to the diamond. However, I''m afraid it might detract from the overall appearance of the stone in the setting.

I''m tempted to get that stone ordered and inspect it myself.
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I doubt you would even see it. BN do have a good return policy so you could see for yourself.
 
Date: 5/14/2009 10:12:16 AM
Author: Lorelei


Date: 5/14/2009 10:03:32 AM
Author: stonecutter2
I kind of like the idea of the indented natural - having a bit of the actual rough skin of the diamond might be a fun little characteristic to the diamond. However, I'm afraid it might detract from the overall appearance of the stone in the setting.

I'm tempted to get that stone ordered and inspect it myself.
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I doubt you would even see it. BN do have a good return policy so you could see for yourself.
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Yep (with the naked eye, VS2 is still pretty small). I would just take it right to an independant appraiser and have a look if you're interested!
 
Here's another that I'm considering - I can drop down to an F color and save myself a little bit to put more towards the setting...more on that later...
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs1-clarity_LD01138893?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0http://

The one with the indented natural (linked in a post up above) is E color and VS1 clarity, and it's definitely pricier...but then again, I want something that down the line I'm going to really be proud of.

By the way, has anyone heard of Almer for ring settings? Apparently they're in Canada. The jeweler I went to last night had an Almer setting that I liked - .23 tcw round diamonds, 4 on each side of the ring (small enough not to distract from the center stone), tapering toward the center stone, and with very small pinpoint dots outlining the edges of the area containing the side stones. It looked very classic and almost like an antique in a way...it was white gold. They want around $900 for the setting - is that outrageous? There's a fair amount of weight to the ring, it's not a slim ring, but not exactly thick either. It just seems like for that much money, I could be going for platinum and not worrying about the plating thing (see below).

I was hesitant on white gold because of the rhodium plating thing, but my gal wears a lot of silver jewelry and not yellow gold (though i don't think she'd be against wearing a beautiful ring that i got her!). Apparently replating the ring isn't expensive. Any comments on that are appreciated.
 
Yes this one has potential too. As for the replating WG, I have had some WG pieces for years that I haven''t needed replating so I suppose it depends, apparently it isn''t difficult or that expensive to have done if needed.
 
Thank you so much again for all of the replies. It really means a lot to me. I think I''m ready to get one of these on order, see it in person, and get it into a microscope to really consider it
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What a great place to chat about diamonds!
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I''ve worn WG all my life, it never bothered me.
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Let us know what you decide!
 
I''m thinking some of these that I''m considering are a little high...is that because of how well it''s cut, and the angles give it the best brilliance/fire?

For example, look at this E color VVS2:
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01464083?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

Round Brilliant
Measurements: 5.75 - 5.79 x 3.58 mm

Carat Weight: 0.74 carat
Color Grade: E
Clarity Grade: VVS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 62.0%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 35.5°
Crown Height: 15.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (4.0%)
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics:
Pinpoint

Are those numbers off enough to make the ring look "bad" or is it just that it will not look as good as it could?

The above seems like a great diamond for the price...

Thanks!
 
Date: 5/14/2009 11:49:49 AM
Author: stonecutter2


I'm thinking some of these that I'm considering are a little high...is that because of how well it's cut, and the angles give it the best brilliance/fire?

For example, look at this E color VVS2:
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01464083?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

Are those numbers off enough to make the ring look 'bad' or is it just that it will not look as good as it could?

The above seems like a great diamond for the price...

Thanks!
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The angles (though rounded, so no clear picture here, could be better, or worse) are indeed at the point where light leakage would be most probable. And yes, you do pay more for the better cut (and less for a lesser cut). Imho, this is one time you shouldn't scimp.
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Date: 5/14/2009 4:40:57 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 5/14/2009 11:49:49 AM
Author: stonecutter2



I''m thinking some of these that I''m considering are a little high...is that because of how well it''s cut, and the angles give it the best brilliance/fire?

For example, look at this E color VVS2:
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-e-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01464083?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

Are those numbers off enough to make the ring look ''bad'' or is it just that it will not look as good as it could?

The above seems like a great diamond for the price...

Thanks!
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The angles (though rounded, so no clear picture here, could be better, or worse) are indeed at the point where light leakage would be most probable. And yes, you do pay more for the better cut (and less for a lesser cut). Imho, this is one time you shouldn''t scimp.
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Ditto
 
Okay, thanks again for the help and info!
 
You''re welcome stone!
 
Okay, I think I''m going to go with this one:
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs1-clarity_LD01138893?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0http://

Based on the GCAL report, it looks like it does a great job of reflecting light, and I like the clarity characteristics of it. The price seems about in my range, too.

I was curious though - does anyone have any experience with Blue Nile, as far as calling them up to see if they can provide a better deal on a stone? Is there any leeway in what they list as the price vs. what you might be able to get the stone for? I''m always very deal-minded with bigger purchases, because I like to feel that I got the best price I could get.

I just don''t know if Blue Nile would work with me on price at all, or if they''d just shrug off a request to see if it''s "The best they can do" for that stone.
 
Sorry, okay - opinions on which to order up and take a look at in person:

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs1-clarity_LD01138893?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0http://

Round Brilliant
Measurements: 5.79 - 5.82 x 3.59 mm

Carat Weight: 0.74 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VS1
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 61.8%
Table: 56%
Crown Angle: 34.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star length: 55%
Lower Half: 75%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (4.0%)
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics:
Pinpoint, Cloud


vs.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-f-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01332049?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0

Measurements: 5.85 - 5.88 x 3.59 mm

Carat Weight: 0.77 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VVS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 61.2%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (4.0%)
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics:
Pinpoint, Cloud


I think I like the numbers on the VVs2 better. Seems worth the bit of extra money - thoughts? I know the VVS2 isn't a signature ideal cut, but it seems within the parameters that I've read about as far as cut angles - the only difference is the table seems a little larger.
 
stone, I'm going to be honest here. The 34/41 is on the edge. It could be great, if tightly cut, or not. The other one leans to the other edge. The numbers are rounded, it could be better, or worse. A stone on the shallower side can lack a bit of scintillation, look a bit glassy, and suffer from obstruction. So, I really don't know which one I'd pick, to be honest. I guess the 34/41.

I just want you to get the best shot at not haviing to return it. I have to ask, is there a reason why you didn't like this one? It falls in all your specs and price range, and has great numbers.

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs2-clarity_LD01126435?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0#grading_report
 
That looks like a great stone, Ellen. To the OP, if you can''t see the stone in person and it is not convenient to have the stone shipped to you and possibly have to return it, it is wiser to choose a stone that has a higher probability of being a good performer by the numbers. I am a newbie here and I can tell you, trust these folks on Pricescope, they know diamonds!
 
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-or-less-signature-ideal-cut-f-color-vs2-clarity_LD01126435?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0#grading_report

That one''s AGSL isn''t loading properly for me - i just see the very top, and the rest is black with weird pixelation, so iwasn''t able to see any details on it.

The info in the GCAL looks good, but I wasn''t sure what was up with the AGSL cert - I guess it''s just me?


I''m definitely willing to trust the posters in this forum for their opinion - and I like the .79 size, too, for the price!


Is there a way someone who can see the cert could post it?


Also, GiA vs. AGSL (i''m sure this has been discussed a lot here lol) - should I care either way? I''ve read that AGSL standards are a little tighter.


I value all of your opinions a lot!

 
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