Opinions on yellow diamond

[pk888]

Hello everyone
Was hoping to get your opinions on this piece…
-is the the yellow center diamond okay?
-Is this considered as fancy light or fancy intense?
- opinions on the cut style (I think it’s a Carre cut?) does this cut allow for highlighting color more? and
-are the kite shaped side diamonds yellow or
-what is a reasonable price for something like this/ how much should I pay for the ring

It’s set with a square cut yellow diamond (1.20ct.; VS1), with 2 kite cut coloured diamonds (0.50ct.t.w.; VS2) as side stones
12.8 grams on platinum

thanks in advance

 

[lovedogs]

We can't tell anything about pricing without knowing for sure that the center stone is a yellow diamond rather than something else. Where does the VS1 grade come from? Is there a GIA or other certificate?

 

[distracts]

We can't know if it's fancy light or fancy intense without a GIA report. I personally wouldn't be willing to buy a fancy color diamond without one.

 

[pk888]

It’s coming from a trusted auction house and the grading was made by their in house appraisers and gemologist

it looks fancy light-intense but wanted to seek more opinions here

what would you guys say a good price for something like this be?

 

[Dancing Fire]

It’s coming from a trusted auction house and the grading was made by their in house appraisers and gemologist

it looks fancy light-intense but wanted to seek more opinions here

what would you guys say a good price for something like this be?

A worthless piece of paper. Without a GIA colored report your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Price is always what a buyer feels comfortable with.
You can not know for sure the stone is not man made unless their gemologists have at least tested to see if it is type II - ask them - or simply - does it have strong blue fluorescence under long wave UV and zilch under short wave.
If they dont know what you mean they are not gemologists.

The Zimmi kites look great and I like the non matching colors.

 

[pk888]

Price is always what a buyer feels comfortable with.
You can not know for sure the stone is not man made unless their gemologists have at least tested to see if it is type II - ask them - or simply - does it have strong blue fluorescence under long wave UV and zilch under short wave.
If they dont know what you mean they are not gemologists.

The Zimmi kites look great and I like the non matching colors.

Price is always what a buyer feels comfortable with.
You can not know for sure the stone is not man made unless their gemologists have at least tested to see if it is type II - ask them - or simply - does it have strong blue fluorescence under long wave UV and zilch under short wave.
If they dont know what you mean they are not gemologists.

The Zimmi kites look great and I like the non matching colors.

they did tell it was natural and he did mention something about type 2 but I didn’t really remember it will now as I am not aware it was important info…

it was from an auction from an estate and the family had misplaced the certificate and hence it was priced lower than they had wanted to- accdg to the appraiser

I paid 4100$ for the ring - is that a good price considering the raw material in the ring

 

[pk888]

A worthless piece of paper. Without a GIA colored report your guess is as good as mine.

I see

I didnt realize that’s how crucial that Gia cert is

probably why this was priced lower compared to other colored diamond jewlery that was also put in auction

I had spoken to the gemologist and appraiser who I had been in contact for a while now and he had said it was a natural diamond ( based on his opinion and experience) but had to be priced lower due to the lacking certification

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The price is not that good if it is a synthetic diamond.

 

[pk888]

The price is not that good if it is a synthetic diamond.

they did tell it was natural and he did mention something about type 2 but I didn’t really remember it will now as I am not aware it was important info…

it was from an auction from an estate and the family had misplaced the certificate and hence it was priced lower than they had wanted to- accdg to the appraiser

I paid 4100$ for the ring - is that a good price considering the raw material in the ring

Just rereading the emails I had with the appraiser and I made a mistake in my oreciiis reply

he said it was a type 1a

What does this type mean
all I know about diamonds are the 4Cs

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

That is good, the appraiser is a gemologist.
There have been type Ia man made diamonds produced but they are rare and if this is an older piece it is very unlikely or even impossible that it is a synthetic diamond.

The only other watch out is GIA did not correctly identify some diamonds they graded in the late 1990's - but they were all very large. A
n interesting conspiracy between General Electric and the company owned by the then chairman of GIA to treat type II diamonds - but if yours is type Ia then we are all good.

 

[Karl_K]

My opinion is that a diamond that appears to be yellow that is without a gia report is just that a diamond that appears to be yellow.
Adjust the value accordingly.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

My opinion is that a diamond that appears to be yellow that is without a gia report is just that a diamond that appears to be yellow.
Adjust the value accordingly.

nonsense Karl - any carre cut like that that has any color at all is a beauty.
(Karl and moi are friends)

 

[Karl_K]

nonsense Karl - any carre cut like that that has any color at all is a beauty.
(Karl and moi are friends)

didn't say it wasn't.
In a product where tiny differences in tone or hue can change the price thousands of dollars without the gia report you do not know what your getting. That is even before you take mmd in account making the range even wider..

 

[Rockdiamond]

First and foremost- since you’ve already bought it, congrats and enjoy!
Since it’s a done deal, I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade.
In the interest of informational discussion , I’m with @Dancing Fire.
I would not put faith in an auction house gemologist.

The Zimmi kites look great and I like the non matching colors.

How in the world can you make all these assumptions??
Who said anything about Zimmi ( Garry, Karl and I are all friends- no insults intended) but I would never make any sort of definitive comments without personally inspecting the piece- or commenting on a lab report.
Having said all that…. If it is an Earth Mined, non treated diamond, it’s a very nice deal.

Earth mined
Earth mined
( small private joke between Garry and I regarding how lab grown diamonds are referred to…. synthetic is a no no word for lab grown)

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

At the price paid and from the pic it is fancy light or fancy or fancy intense.
And with the kites and 12gm of platinum its a great deal.
dont rain on the OP's parade mateS!

 

[Rockdiamond]

dont rain on the OP's parade mateS

I agree, it feels bad criticizing someone’s purchase …yet it seems like the best use of this space is to provide information as opposed to just saying….”ooh… pretty!”

 

[Tourmaline]

I think it’s a really cool ring!

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Even the most ignorant can post to this forum. Ah hem. You have a platinum ring with an unusual cut yellow stone, sold as a diamond, said to be 1a.. The side stones are very vibrant, described by an expert here as Zimmis. A friend told me, "They don't put crap in platinum." I think you got a deal.
If you're not comfortable I'll match what you paid. Otherwise, please enjoy! I think it's fabulous.

 

[Rockdiamond]

I have unbounded respect for Garry.
But Zimmi refers to remarkably vivid, Vivid yellow diamonds.
The kites are cool,
But they look nothing like the sort of diamonds for which the Zimmi mine is renowned. Brown diamonds have indeed been mind at Zimmi.....but that’s not what it’s known for, as brown diamonds generally come from other mines in other parts of the world.
Agree that a big part of this forum is assisting those who aren’t well versed in diamonds. Personally, I would NEVER describe someone like that as “ignorant”.
To assist in educating folks with limited knowledge is a large part of my motivation for posting.
YMMV

 

[kenny]

I like the ring.
I'd enjoy wearing it.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I have unbounded respect for Garry.
But Zimmi refers to remarkably vivid, Vivid yellow diamonds.
The kites are cool,
But they look nothing like the sort of diamonds for which the Zimmi mine is renowned. Brown diamonds have indeed been mind at Zimmi.....but that’s not what it’s known for, as brown diamonds generally come from other mines in other parts of the world.
Agree that a big part of this forum is assisting those who aren’t well versed in diamonds. Personally, I would NEVER describe someone like that as “ignorant”.
To assist in educating folks with limited knowledge is a large part of my motivation for posting.
YMMV

Orangish vivd yellow is what the Zimmi mine is famous for.
I am calling the side stones Zimmi type NATURAL diamonds

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

I have unbounded respect for Garry.
But Zimmi refers to remarkably vivid, Vivid yellow diamonds.
The kites are cool,
But they look nothing like the sort of diamonds for which the Zimmi mine is renowned. Brown diamonds have indeed been mind at Zimmi.....but that’s not what it’s known for, as brown diamonds generally come from other mines in other parts of the world.
Agree that a big part of this forum is assisting those who aren’t well versed in diamonds. Personally, I would NEVER describe someone like that as “ignorant”.
To assist in educating folks with limited knowledge is a large part of my motivation for posting.
YMMV

Rock, I was referring to myself as ignorant. A lot of people on this forum have forgotten more about diamonds than I know, let alone the trade. Thank you for your tactful comments.
Even without alcohol, I think that ring is beautiful and I would have snatched it up just as OP did.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Orangish vivd yellow is what the Zimmi mine is famous for.
I am calling the side stones Zimmi type NATURAL diamonds

Of course color perception is intensely personal…… but……
The most remarkable Zimmi stones I’ve had the pleasure to behold were so amazing due specifically due to the lack of orange.
Zimmi are known to be super pure in terms of their yellow color, as opposed to brassy, which orange tends to do when mixed with yellow.
Maybe I’m more picky about this because we specialize in natural yellow diamonds

In my opinion, tradespeople here should make efforts to temper declarations on stones they’ve not personally inspected.
Kind of like calling a stone flawless cause it looks so durn pretty!

I think the ring is very pretty. But that’s not what the op asked.
So let’s responsibly respond:

-is the the yellow center diamond okay?
It looks un damaged in the pictures but I’d need to closely inspect for any chips


-Is this considered as fancy light or fancy intense?
It’s impossible to accurately color grade a diamond which is set into a ring- especially when it’s set in a bezel


- opinions on the cut style (I think it’s a Carre cut?) does this cut allow for highlighting color more? and
Very cool cut!!!( I’m a step cut lover)
In fact it’s far more difficult fir cutters to achieve yellow in step cuts. This makes the yellow step cuts more rare , therefore more costly



-are the kite shaped side diamonds yellow or
They look orange brownish- also super cool but also can’t really tell once they’re set



-what is a reasonable price for something like this/ how much should I pay for the ring

No possible way to responsibly answer.

 

[pk888]

That is good, the appraiser is a gemologist.
There have been type Ia man made diamonds produced but they are rare and if this is an older piece it is very unlikely or even impossible that it is a synthetic diamond.

The only other watch out is GIA did not correctly identify some diamonds they graded in the late 1990's - but they were all very large. A
n interesting conspiracy between General Electric and the company owned by the then chairman of GIA to treat type II diamonds - but if yours is type Ia then we are all good.

Hi Garry yes it is an older piece from an estate of a private collector in Toronto who was renowned owners of pest control business for 65 years now…

wow what a conspiracy!

 

[pk888]

My opinion is that a diamond that appears to be yellow that is without a gia report is just that a diamond that appears to be yellow.
Adjust the value accordingly.

So if this wasn’t considered to be a true yellow is 4100$ too much for the ring? Thanks Karl!

 

[pk888]

didn't say it wasn't.
In a product where tiny differences in tone or hue can change the price thousands of dollars without the gia report you do not know what your getting. That is even before you take mmd in account making the range even wider..

What is mmd

 

[pk888]

I agree, it feels bad criticizing someone’s purchase …yet it seems like the best use of this space is to provide information as opposed to just saying….”ooh… pretty!”

Yes by you guys sharing is how we learn more… so thank you!!!

 

[Karl_K]

So if this wasn’t considered to be a true yellow is 4100$ too much for the ring? Thanks Karl!

I think you paid a good price.
Without the gia report there isn't a way to say for certain how good. It could be anywhere from a good price to an awesome price.

mmd is man made diamond also known as LGD or lab grown diamond.

 

[pk888]

I’m thinking to get it certified from Gia and see what the real score is- once I receive the ring as the auction just happened yesterday and I have to wait for item to be shipped

anyone here knows the process and how much it would cost? And how long it would take?
Will Gia be the one to take out the diamond and put it back?

I also didn’t realize my username shows up as OP