Padparadscha Sapphire Price check

[minmin001]

I went to this jewelery store who is moving to a new location so all their stuff is on sale right now. (All sales Final though =( )
They have this 2.7ct Cushion Oval cut Pad that's VVS clarity with heat treatment for $3500 after discount.
Is this a good price?

 

[Aoife]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

 

[minousbijoux]

That is truly an excellent price for a padparadscha that has only had heat treatment. I agree that you absolutely need to have a cert from a reputable gem lab in order to buy it at that price. A couple of questions - what does it look like? So many gems that are overly brownish orange are passed off as Padparadscha, so you want to make sure its listed as a pad on the cert. People sometimes also call pale pink sapphires pads, but that would never fly on a cert, unless it has that melon/orange tinge. Also, where is it from? Sri Lankan and sometimes Madasgascar get a premium, but I notice other African pad sapphires are typically cheaper, and this is partly due to the provenance of the other places, but also the majority of African padparadscha sapphires have a strong brown modifier.

I hope this helps. I would love to pay $3,500 to get a heat only beautiful 2.7 carat Padparadscha!

 

[T L]

I went to this jewelery store who is moving to a new location so all their stuff is on sale right now. (All sales Final though =( )
They have this 2.7ct Cushion Oval cut Pad that's VVS clarity with heat treatment for $3500 after discount.
Is this a good price?

Depends on the color and if the lab says it's a true padparadscha. Not all padparadschas are that beautiful. I would not buy it without a lab report from a highly reputable American or European lab (AGL is preferred). If they say, "no," forget the sale, and I would not give them any money until it came back with the lab report. The fact that its almost flawless would make it probably harder to check for diffusion too, and that would take a while (at least a month) for a major lab.

 

[minmin001]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

 

[T L]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

 

[minmin001]

That is truly an excellent price for a padparadscha that has only had heat treatment. I agree that you absolutely need to have a cert from a reputable gem lab in order to buy it at that price. A couple of questions - what does it look like? So many gems that are overly brownish orange are passed off as Padparadscha, so you want to make sure its listed as a pad on the cert. People sometimes also call pale pink sapphires pads, but that would never fly on a cert, unless it has that melon/orange tinge. Also, where is it from? Sri Lankan and sometimes Madasgascar get a premium, but I notice other African pad sapphires are typically cheaper, and this is partly due to the provenance of the other places, but also the majority of African padparadscha sapphires have a strong brown modifier.

I hope this helps. I would love to pay $3,500 to get a heat only beautiful 2.7 carat Padparadscha!

I didn't get chance to take a pic. but I may... I think it's from Sri Lankan but I was also looking at a spinel from there so I do need to double check on that. I'm not an expert in gem stone so not sure what brownish orange color looks like, it is a bit more orange than pink than I wanted but I thought it was a pretty color. I may go back to the store tomorrow to take a look and ask them about getting a lab report

 

[minmin001]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

 

[T L]

That is truly an excellent price for a padparadscha that has only had heat treatment. I agree that you absolutely need to have a cert from a reputable gem lab in order to buy it at that price. A couple of questions - what does it look like? So many gems that are overly brownish orange are passed off as Padparadscha, so you want to make sure its listed as a pad on the cert. People sometimes also call pale pink sapphires pads, but that would never fly on a cert, unless it has that melon/orange tinge. Also, where is it from? Sri Lankan and sometimes Madasgascar get a premium, but I notice other African pad sapphires are typically cheaper, and this is partly due to the provenance of the other places, but also the majority of African padparadscha sapphires have a strong brown modifier.

I hope this helps. I would love to pay $3,500 to get a heat only beautiful 2.7 carat Padparadscha!

I didn't get chance to take a pic. but I may... I think it's from Sri Lankan but I was also looking at a spinel from there so I do need to double check on that. I'm not an expert in gem stone so not sure what brownish orange color looks like, it is a bit more orange than pink than I wanted but I thought it was a pretty color. I may go back to the store tomorrow to take a look and ask them about getting a lab report

Yes, all the more reason for a lab report. If they say no, then don't walk, but run.

BTW, if you like orange/pink stones, spinels also come in that color and for far less money.

 

[minmin001]

That is truly an excellent price for a padparadscha that has only had heat treatment. I agree that you absolutely need to have a cert from a reputable gem lab in order to buy it at that price. A couple of questions - what does it look like? So many gems that are overly brownish orange are passed off as Padparadscha, so you want to make sure its listed as a pad on the cert. People sometimes also call pale pink sapphires pads, but that would never fly on a cert, unless it has that melon/orange tinge. Also, where is it from? Sri Lankan and sometimes Madasgascar get a premium, but I notice other African pad sapphires are typically cheaper, and this is partly due to the provenance of the other places, but also the majority of African padparadscha sapphires have a strong brown modifier.

I hope this helps. I would love to pay $3,500 to get a heat only beautiful 2.7 carat Padparadscha!

I didn't get chance to take a pic. but I may... I think it's from Sri Lankan but I was also looking at a spinel from there so I do need to double check on that. I'm not an expert in gem stone so not sure what brownish orange color looks like, it is a bit more orange than pink than I wanted but I thought it was a pretty color. I may go back to the store tomorrow to take a look and ask them about getting a lab report

Yes, all the more reason for a lab report. If they say no, then don't walk, but run.

BTW, if you like orange/pink stones, spinels also come in that color and for far less money.

Yes, I just thought that this could be a really good value although I probably wouldn't buy it...

 

[T L]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

If you're in the United States, then GIA is the other lab. I know AGL is closed all next week, and not sure if GIA is, but I would imagine they are. In Europe, there's SSEF, GRS, & Gueblin.

 

[T L]

That is truly an excellent price for a padparadscha that has only had heat treatment. I agree that you absolutely need to have a cert from a reputable gem lab in order to buy it at that price. A couple of questions - what does it look like? So many gems that are overly brownish orange are passed off as Padparadscha, so you want to make sure its listed as a pad on the cert. People sometimes also call pale pink sapphires pads, but that would never fly on a cert, unless it has that melon/orange tinge. Also, where is it from? Sri Lankan and sometimes Madasgascar get a premium, but I notice other African pad sapphires are typically cheaper, and this is partly due to the provenance of the other places, but also the majority of African padparadscha sapphires have a strong brown modifier.

I hope this helps. I would love to pay $3,500 to get a heat only beautiful 2.7 carat Padparadscha!

I didn't get chance to take a pic. but I may... I think it's from Sri Lankan but I was also looking at a spinel from there so I do need to double check on that. I'm not an expert in gem stone so not sure what brownish orange color looks like, it is a bit more orange than pink than I wanted but I thought it was a pretty color. I may go back to the store tomorrow to take a look and ask them about getting a lab report

Yes, all the more reason for a lab report. If they say no, then don't walk, but run.

BTW, if you like orange/pink stones, spinels also come in that color and for far less money.

Yes, I just thought that this could be a really good value although I probably wouldn't buy it...

Price isn't the only thing to consider, if it has a lot of brown, or it's too orange or too pink, then $3500 is probably not a good price. A lot of dealers take advantage of consumers by charging a premium on pink sapphires by calling them padparadchas, when they're not. There are several criteria that needs to be met for an orangy/pink sapphire to be labeled a padparadcha, and even many of those are really not worth the price. If you look an NSC, there are many really unattractive stones labeled as padparadchas, and they cost a great deal.

 

[minmin001]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

If you're in the United States, then GIA is the other lab. I know AGL is closed all next week, and not sure if GIA is, but I would imagine they are. In Europe, there's SSEF, GRS, & Gueblin.

well, it's their moving sale.. according to the sale person they probably gonna move by the end of the month and then all price will go back to normal which will be $8000? it's currently at 60% off

 

[minmin001]

That is truly an excellent price for a padparadscha that has only had heat treatment. I agree that you absolutely need to have a cert from a reputable gem lab in order to buy it at that price. A couple of questions - what does it look like? So many gems that are overly brownish orange are passed off as Padparadscha, so you want to make sure its listed as a pad on the cert. People sometimes also call pale pink sapphires pads, but that would never fly on a cert, unless it has that melon/orange tinge. Also, where is it from? Sri Lankan and sometimes Madasgascar get a premium, but I notice other African pad sapphires are typically cheaper, and this is partly due to the provenance of the other places, but also the majority of African padparadscha sapphires have a strong brown modifier.

I hope this helps. I would love to pay $3,500 to get a heat only beautiful 2.7 carat Padparadscha!

I didn't get chance to take a pic. but I may... I think it's from Sri Lankan but I was also looking at a spinel from there so I do need to double check on that. I'm not an expert in gem stone so not sure what brownish orange color looks like, it is a bit more orange than pink than I wanted but I thought it was a pretty color. I may go back to the store tomorrow to take a look and ask them about getting a lab report

Yes, all the more reason for a lab report. If they say no, then don't walk, but run.

BTW, if you like orange/pink stones, spinels also come in that color and for far less money.

Yes, I just thought that this could be a really good value although I probably wouldn't buy it...

Price isn't the only thing to consider, if it has a lot of brown, or it's too orange or too pink, then $3500 is probably not a good price. A lot of dealers take advantage of consumers by charging a premium on pink sapphires by calling them padparadchas, when they're not. There are several criteria that needs to be met for an orangy/pink sapphire to be labeled a padparadcha, and even many of those are really not worth the price. If you look an NSC, there are many really unattractive stones labeled as padparadchas, and they cost a great deal.

Thank you! truly learning alot from you guys

 

[T L]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

If you're in the United States, then GIA is the other lab. I know AGL is closed all next week, and not sure if GIA is, but I would imagine they are. In Europe, there's SSEF, GRS, & Gueblin.

well, it's their moving sale.. according to the sale person they probably gonna move by the end of the month and then all price will go back to normal which will be $8000? it's currently at 60% off

You know, if its really a truly valuable gemstone, then I honestly don't think they would mark it so low. They probably can't find anyone that would pay $8K for it, and so they have this sale going on. Stores always mark gems and jewelry way way way up, only to say they're a huge percentage off "on sale." Don't fall for it, as it's the oldest retail trick in the book, especially when it comes to retail jewelers. I don't like the fact it's a "final" sale either. For that kind of money, you should have a guarantee.

 

[minmin001]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

If you're in the United States, then GIA is the other lab. I know AGL is closed all next week, and not sure if GIA is, but I would imagine they are. In Europe, there's SSEF, GRS, & Gueblin.

well, it's their moving sale.. according to the sale person they probably gonna move by the end of the month and then all price will go back to normal which will be $8000? it's currently at 60% off

You know, if its really a truly valuable gemstone, then I honestly don't think they would mark it so low. They probably can't find anyone that would pay $8K for it, and so they have this sale going on. Stores always mark gems and jewelry way way way up, only to say they're a huge percentage off "on sale." Don't fall for it, as it's the oldest retail trick in the book, especially when it comes to retail jewelers. I don't like the fact it's a "final" sale either. For that kind of money, you should have a guarantee.

Yeah, I wouldn't buy it anyway.. don't have that kind of money laying around unless it's truly an amazing deal. thank you!

 

[MissStepcut]

My favorite jeweler in NOVA had a "moving sale" recently, since they're consolidating locations... I don't get it. their whole stock would fit in the trunk of a car!

 

[LD]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

If you're in the United States, then GIA is the other lab. I know AGL is closed all next week, and not sure if GIA is, but I would imagine they are. In Europe, there's SSEF, GRS, & Gueblin.

well, it's their moving sale.. according to the sale person they probably gonna move by the end of the month and then all price will go back to normal which will be $8000? it's currently at 60% off

You know, if its really a truly valuable gemstone, then I honestly don't think they would mark it so low. They probably can't find anyone that would pay $8K for it, and so they have this sale going on. Stores always mark gems and jewelry way way way up, only to say they're a huge percentage off "on sale." Don't fall for it, as it's the oldest retail trick in the book, especially when it comes to retail jewelers. I don't like the fact it's a "final" sale either. For that kind of money, you should have a guarantee.

+1

If you were the owner of a really valuable gemstone would you mark it down so low (knowing that it was worth far more)? Honestly if a deal is too good to be true then there's usually something wrong! In this case I suspect it's either a normal sapphire (not a Padparadscha) OR it's BE diffused and therefore grossly overpriced!

 

[Aoife]

That seems really low for a true (i.e. untreated--no beryllium) pad in that size. Do they have any kind of report for it? I would expect the price to be much, much higher.

it's heat treated
they do have appraise paper work but not a lab report

You should never ever ever trust an appraisal without a reputable lab report, especially for corundum, and especially for orange/pink sapphires. Heat treated can mean diffusion as well, and they're leaving that out of the appraisal because they possibly don't have the expensive equipment to check for it. I would proceed with extreme caution. Only a lab can determine if its a true padparadscha, as most appraisers really don't know all the specifics that qualify a pink/orange sapphire as a padparadscha.

Yes, I agree. I would not buy it if they wouldn't take it to the lab.. any other lab besides AGL I can tell them to send to?

If you're in the United States, then GIA is the other lab. I know AGL is closed all next week, and not sure if GIA is, but I would imagine they are. In Europe, there's SSEF, GRS, & Gueblin.

well, it's their moving sale.. according to the sale person they probably gonna move by the end of the month and then all price will go back to normal which will be $8000? it's currently at 60% off

You know, if its really a truly valuable gemstone, then I honestly don't think they would mark it so low. They probably can't find anyone that would pay $8K for it, and so they have this sale going on. Stores always mark gems and jewelry way way way up, only to say they're a huge percentage off "on sale." Don't fall for it, as it's the oldest retail trick in the book, especially when it comes to retail jewelers. I don't like the fact it's a "final" sale either. For that kind of money, you should have a guarantee.

+1

If you were the owner of a really valuable gemstone would you mark it down so low (knowing that it was worth far more)? Honestly if a deal is too good to be true then there's usually something wrong! In this case I suspect it's either a normal sapphire (not a Padparadscha) OR it's BE diffused and therefore grossly overpriced!

+2

Having done my own hunting for a Pad, if it's a true Pad (no beryllium, correct color, etc) and the price doesn't make your eyeballs pop, it's time to start backing cautiously towards the door.

 

[pregcurious]

My favorite jeweler in NOVA had a "moving sale" recently, since they're consolidating locations... I don't get it. their whole stock would fit in the trunk of a car!

I'm near NOVA! Can you let us know where the sale was?

60% off alone would scare me. It reminds me too much of a maul store.

 

[TristanC]

There is a huge jewelry store right smack in the heart of town, that has been having "Moving Sale!!" and "Clearance Sale!!" banners hanging on their store since 20 years ago.

I'm not saying that this couldn't possibly be a deal... I'm just saying to please be cautious.