Passed down! Ruby, sapphire, and not sure! Thoughts??

[Eric Nations]

So I have to decided to expand my knowledge on some gemstones my grandmother gave to me after my grandfather passed. I’ve bought some equipment and read through multiple posts blogs and gemological studies on gems and what actually makes them what they are and how to tell. The feeling that came over me when she handed them to me was something I had to understand and know more about. However, it seems the more information I read and videos I watch the more unsure about certain gems I become. I’ve purchased the spectrometer filters refractometer lights loops etc... Some I am more than certain about about and I’ll post them first. But thoughts, direction, identification, even sarcasm is welcome
8.9ct pink sapphire


ruby



4.3ct ruby

7ct ruby. Thank you all.

 

[pokerface]

Do you have any photos in natural light? The first stone is highly included (and likely synthetic or highly treated). I assume the rubies are synthetic given the large sizes, general appearance and the fact that they appear to be the exact same color.

 

[Eric Nations]

Do you have any photos in natural light? The first stone is highly included (and likely synthetic or highly treated). I assume the rubies are synthetic given the large sizes, general appearance and the fact that they appear to be the exact same color.

I used a incandescent flash light when toon the pictures. The picture suck compared to what they really look like. And through the spectrometer the refracted light matches the diagram for ruby and the sapphire matches as well. So I guess my question is, can synthetic rubies and sapphires match the color spectrum refracted in a spectrogram of a stone made in nature?

 

[pokerface]

Yes. Synthetic ruby is ruby - just made in a lab, rather in the wild.

 

[Eric Nations]

Do you have any photos in natural light? The first stone is highly included (and likely synthetic or highly treated). I assume the rubies are synthetic given the large sizes, general appearance and the fact that they appear to be the exact same color.

 

[Eric Nations]

That is really the best I could get. I thought the more light the better, but it seems less light does better. I don’t know, the picture with the red stones only the stone front left is the highly included sapphire that is really pink and 8.9ct for size reference.

 

[JackTrick]

I recommend consulting a local, accredited gemologist.

 

[Eric Nations]

I talked to three. Two of them were polar opposite answers. One looked and said not interested. So I don’t know. Thanks

 

[JackTrick]

That is...odd. Where are you located?

 

[Eric Nations]

That is...odd. Where are you located?

Ocean springs, ms

 

[JackTrick]

What did the first 2 gemologists say? Why did the 3rd pass?

 

[Eric Nations]

The first one said they weren’t real but barely looked through a loop at them. The second guy looked at the one I call a sapphire and said buddy that’s is an amazing gemstone, said the inclusions were not of synthetic, then said one of the smaller red stones was a ruby. But I only took three in to each person the same three. And the guy told me he wasn’t interested in even looking at them as soon as I opened the box.

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

Wow !
What fun !
And it sounds like you are enjoying them !


What do you want to do with them Eric ?
Do you have a wife or daughters ?
Are you sentimental that your grandad gave these to your grandma ?

Why didn't they get them set i wonder ?
Maybe they just enjoyed looking at them too

If they turn out to be synthetic i would not disapair
I would still have fun with them and enjoy them

You can get cheaper silver settings

You could get your favourite one set into a ring for yourself

We have a thread around here somewhere for men's rings

 

[Eric Nations]

Wow !
What fun !
And it sounds like you are enjoying them !


What do you want to do with them Eric ?
Do you have a wife or daughters ?
Are you sentimental that your grandad gave these to your grandma ?

Why didn't they get them set i wonder ?
Maybe they just enjoyed looking at them too

If they turn out to be synthetic i would not disapair
I would still have fun with them and enjoy them

You can get cheaper silver settings

You could get your favourite one set into a ring for yourself

We have a thread around here somewhere for men's rings

Thanks for the info keep in touch

 

[pokerface]

Honestly, the one who told you he wasn't interested in looking did you a favor because they are obviously synthetic. I hate it when the advice is "take it to a gemologist" when he/she is likely going to charge you money to tell you that your stones have no value. I bet that a number of these stones are just glass/simulated and the rest are synthetic.

 

[lovedogs]

These look synthetic to me

 

[qubitasaurus]

Were they stored all together? Were they individually wrapped, or were multiple of them in the same container/ziplock loose? Do you see any scratches on the greeen/yellow stones (particularly the ones at the back in the photo?). In general any abrasion on any of the gems and which? Any clue as to how long they were stored before you got hold of them?

 

[Eric Nations]

Were they stored all together? Were they individually wrapped, or were multiple of them in the same container/ziplock loose? Do you see any scratches on the greeen/yellow stones (particularly the ones at the back in the photo?). In general any abrasion on any of the gems and which? Any clue as to how long they were stored before you got hold of them?

So I rubbed each one on glass and it didn’t mark the stone or leave any of its color on the glass, however it did leave a mark on the glass. They are noticeably cooler to the touch when handling. They were in a box individually in like small weird looking pouch there are more stones than in pictures and some of those were were all in the same pouch. My grandfather was an international boat caption that brought all kinds of strange things home like 5’ tall wooden which doctor. Hahaha I keep getting answers like glass. I have a tester that determines if something is organic. How reliable are those?
I don’t how long they were stored?

 

[LilAlex]

I will be the outlier here. I see no basis for saying that they are obviously synthetic. Maybe your grandmother was rich or got them from a few generations earlier or was a talented thief . Well, I guess the fact that within each color grouping, they all are pretty much the same tone and hue is a bit of a red flag to me.

No jeweler can tell you what they are. Almost none are actual gemologists or even have the equipment to test. They are equipped to sell. And they generally only buy through reputable vendors whom they know and trust.

I would send a ruby and sapphire off to a decent lab and get a report. A "problem" is that they are big and so might not qualify for the cheapest tier of report.

 

[Eric Nations]

Lol that’s the most reasonable response I’ve had from anyone. I’m not interested at all in selling them, but I am interested in the gem society and want to become more involved. I figure if i can learn all that I can and know exactly what I have I’ll be much more responsible and much more capable of helping the next person like me that comes along. Instead of a quick response that offers no actual facts or reason. So I do appreciate it. Any and everything helps.

 

[prs]

A Presidium gem tester will tell you if the stones are ruby/sapphire or glass, but cannot tell the difference between natural and synthetic gemstones.



If your stones turn out to be gems on the Presidium then my advice would be to send a couple off to GIA for testing. You may as well order the more expensive "Origin" report because you'll want this info if they turn out to be natural. If they test as synthetic GIA won't do the Origin report or charge you for it.

Good luck, let's hope you've hit the jackpot!!!

 

[pokerface]

I will be the outlier here. I see no basis for saying that they are obviously synthetic. Maybe your grandmother was rich or got them from a few generations earlier or was a talented thief . Well, I guess the fact that within each color grouping, they all are pretty much the same tone and hue is a bit of a red flag to me.

I will be the outlier here. I see no basis for saying that they are obviously synthetic. Maybe your grandmother was rich or got them from a few generations earlier or was a talented thief . Well, I guess the fact that within each color grouping, they all are pretty much the same tone and hue is a bit of a red flag to me.

No jeweler can tell you what they are. Almost none are actual gemologists or even have the equipment to test. They are equipped to sell. And they generally only buy through reputable vendors whom they know and trust.

I would send a ruby and sapphire off to a decent lab and get a report. A "problem" is that they are big and so might not qualify for the cheapest tier of report.

I mean this seriously: are you a troll? I remember you from my recent thread on a sapphire. You see "no basis" for saying these are synthetic, but also simultaneously state that it's a red flag that the stones are all the same tone and hue (which is basically what I said in my first comment)?

So you state no reason for thinking that these could be natural stones, plus one major reason why they wouldn't be, ignore the fact that two of three gemologists said these stones were fake, and tell OP to spend over $100 to send these stones to a lab.

And then this is declared by OP to be the most reasonable response, because it's what he wants to hear.

OP: you have already gotten your answer from your local gemologists. Sometimes it is difficult to tell whether or not a stone is synthetic, but in this case, it is not. I don't understand the inclination to tell people to waste their money on labs. This is supposed to be a group of knowledgable consumers. I find it frustrating when "information" given is seemingly not based on reality.

 

[chrono]

I cannot say with 100% surety that it is synthetic but the red flag is the size, seemingly perfect colouration and the fact that so many stones have identical hue, saturation and tone (perfectly matched).

 

[lovedogs]

@pokerface I would edit your post to remove the T word as it will likely get you a time out. But I honestly dont know why anyone would say these look like natural stones. They dont, at all.

 

[pokerface]

@pokerface I would edit your post to remove the T word as it will likely get you a time out. But I honestly dont know why anyone would say these look like natural stones. They dont, at all.

Appreciate your concern, but I am asking a legitimate question, based on this user's response here, as well as in my prior thread (where LilAlex said that a stone cutter has no talent and that my naturally blue stone was no better than one colored blue with a Sharpie.).

 

[LilAlex]

Appreciate your concern, but I am asking a legitimate question, based on this user's response here, as well as in my prior thread (where LilAlex said that a stone cutter has no talent and that my naturally blue stone was no better than one colored blue with a Sharpie.).

We always say no one can say anything about authenticity from a photo. You assume that because they are big and colorful and from a new poster that they must be fake. I could post the Hope Diamond and everyone would say it's fake. I don't know who this OP is or who his grandma is. If they were mounted inexpensively, etc., that would point me toward fake.

You are the person who first comes to mind when I post about what people are actually looking for when they post here. Do they want confirmation bias (like you did, for your pretty sapphire with a tiny spot of well-placed color) or do they want objective information and/or honest opinions. For your post -- and I'm surprised that this is still such a fresh wound for you -- it was obviously a "see how beautiful my gem is" post. I confess (again) that I misunderstood because I did not read far enough upthread. I even apologized. I'll apologize again. My honest opinion was not the affirmation that you were looking for. I'm glad you love your gem. I thought it was a "should I buy this" not an "I own and adore this" thread.

And once again, cutting a near-colorless gem so that the tiny spot of color is at the culet is one of the oldest tricks in the book and not a mark of a cutter's "genius." It's simply the cutter's job to balance appearance against minimizing material loss. And my comparison to the "Sharpie trick" is called an analogy.

For both our sakes, I will try to not respond to your posts in the future -- but I can't promise I will remember you. I have a short memory for things like this.

 

[pokerface]

I am the first person who comes to your mind, yet you can't promise you'll remember me. Also, you never apologized. Okay, Karen.

 

[Eric Nations]

I mean this seriously: are you a troll? I remember you from my recent thread on a sapphire. You see "no basis" for saying these are synthetic, but also simultaneously state that it's a red flag that the stones are all the same tone and hue (which is basically what I said in my first comment)?

So you state no reason for thinking that these could be natural stones, plus one major reason why they wouldn't be, ignore the fact that two of three gemologists said these stones were fake, and tell OP to spend over $100 to send these stones to a lab.

And then this is declared by OP to be the most reasonable response, because it's what he wants to hear.

OP: you have already gotten your answer from your local gemologists. Sometimes it is difficult to tell whether or not a stone is synthetic, but in this case, it is not. I don't understand the inclination to tell people to waste their money on labs. This is supposed to be a group of knowledgable consumers. I find it frustrating when "information" given is seemingly not based on reality.

No one has offered information. And the one gemologist who

 

[Eric Nations]

reality.

@pokerface I have had a handful of people give me constructive direction positive and negative opinions and information good/bad I welcome it ALL. however, you are not one of them. One of the first reply’s I received as a new user “here’s a suggestion start a new thread” and I suggest the same to you. You did not read and fully understand what I was looking for before commenting. These stones have not been evaluated by a licensed experienced professional and the One gemologist/watch maker/jeweler who said they were real makes me continue my search, the character In what I have just read is comparable to the first gemologist who offered/nor replied with facts just an “assumption”. When it is on paper what these stones are, I will post no matter results, Thank you to all those who offered anything other than ego.

P.s: you shouldn’t worry how I spend my money.

 

[ShinyPink]

Is it me, or are people on here getting crankier by the day? I don't like what I'm seeing lately.