Pitt and Jolie!

[KittenKat]

No one knows what really happened...

Jennifer certainly looks like somewhat of an angel through all this. How do we know she''s the victim?

But... friends of mine in the industry, who have worked with Jennifer say ---- she is less than sweet at times. Actually, some have called her an extremely cold beotch.

As for Angelina, I''ve heard nothing but nice things about her from people who''ve worked with her. She''s friendly and doesn''t treat people like crap. (Jennifer on the other hand has a rep for not treating underlings very nice...) I happen to like Angelina a lot. Her honesty thru her crazy times is refreshing in a world of PR Spinsters.

And I agree with people above... that photo looks like two friends spending time together. She''s gorgeous - so hence why everyone questions his intentions.

 

[Sunni79]

Date: 7/1/2005 6:48:47 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 7/1/2005 5:52:44 PM
Author: Mara
I definitely don''t think that this relationship will last at all....Angelina''s past speaks for itself, she falls for the leading men in her life and then within a few months or years, next!! But who knows. Maybe it''s luv.

its taylor/burton all over again, folks!

actors i think are even more vulnerable than the rest of us to being human: they have to take on another persona and become another person in order to do their job. many actors have talked about this and how it has affected their personal life or how they saw another actor doing it and it was like the real person disappeared into the character''s persona. by virtue of going to their movies, we pay them to do this. it is unrealistic to expect them to not become emotionally involved. its one of the hazards of the job. and it swings both ways whether male or female.

btw, ''faithful husbands'' don''t throw themselves at, seek out, or pursue other women. and faithful husbands have been known to say ''no'' no matter how attractive the offer. why is it so much easier to blame ''the other woman'' rather than to accept the fact that ''my man'' made the decision he did? ultimately, i''m responsible for my decisions and so is my husband....and so was my ex...that''s why he''s an ex.

peace, movie zombie

I agree whole-heartedly! People are so quick to blame the other woman!

It takes two. When will it be time for men to be responsible for their actions?

. Why do people even bother getting married anymore? Many people do not remain faithful to the person they married and will/have strayed at some point. It''s ridiculous. We have become a throwaway society...

. Thankfully, this hasn''t been an issue between me and my husband.

. I do feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston having to see Brad''s "new" relationship thrown in her face everytime she leaves her house.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/1/2005 6:48:47 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 7/1/2005 5:52:44 PM
Author: Mara
I definitely don't think that this relationship will last at all....Angelina's past speaks for itself, she falls for the leading men in her life and then within a few months or years, next!! But who knows. Maybe it's luv.

its taylor/burton all over again, folks!

actors i think are even more vulnerable than the rest of us to being human: they have to take on another persona and become another person in order to do their job. many actors have talked about this and how it has affected their personal life or how they saw another actor doing it and it was like the real person disappeared into the character's persona. by virtue of going to their movies, we pay them to do this. it is unrealistic to expect them to not become emotionally involved. its one of the hazards of the job. and it swings both ways whether male or female.

btw, 'faithful husbands' don't throw themselves at, seek out, or pursue other women. and faithful husbands have been known to say 'no' no matter how attractive the offer. why is it so much easier to blame 'the other woman' rather than to accept the fact that 'my man' made the decision he did? ultimately, i'm responsible for my decisions and so is my husband....and so was my ex...that's why he's an ex.

peace, movie zombie

Oh well, I don't buy that excuse. There are plenty of people in the acting profession that don't become emotionally or romantically involved with the other actors they perform with. I don't think it's unrealistic to expect them to maintain a professional detatchment. If they can't, and they end up sleeping with or becoming otherwise too involved with their co-stars, maybe they are in the wrong line of work! It's no different than many other jobs. There are some similarities in the field of medicine. It's easy to let yourself become emotionally attatched (not in a sexual way, necessarily) to your patient's and sometimes even your co-workers. You just have to draw a line and make sure that you don't cross it. I've known doctors and nurses who've had affairs with their co-workers, and sometimes even their patients. And that's fine, as long as they are not married! When I was single, I dated a few patients, I also dated people that I worked with. It was super easy to form emotional bonds with these people because of the very intimate way in which you work with them, and the bonds you form with some patients and people that you work with. Life and death situations can make you feel things on a different level than you would in other circumstances. My husband and I worked together and formed a bond that turned into friendship and eventually love because of our close contact at work. It happens. The difference is that when we got married, we had boundaries that we mutually decided not to cross, and one of those is NOT to become romantically or sexually involved with other people. If actors can't do that, they shouldn't be actors IMO.

One thing I also believe is that anyone, under the right set of circumstances, is capable of cheating. Even the most faithful and moral people. I've witnessed this first hand in my life. People don't always need to pursue or be pursued. I believe in "never say never". The best way to stay faithful is to never put yourself or your spouse in a situation where there is temptation. Actors are not "special people" other than the fact that they are talented at pretending, and usually better looking than average. Infidelity should be no more an occupational hazzard for them than it is for anyone else if they have boundaries and don't put themselves in a situation where they could be unfaithful.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/1/2005 8:01:38 PM
Author: Sunni79

Date: 7/1/2005 6:48:47 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 7/1/2005 5:52:44 PM
Author: Mara
I definitely don''t think that this relationship will last at all....Angelina''s past speaks for itself, she falls for the leading men in her life and then within a few months or years, next!! But who knows. Maybe it''s luv.

its taylor/burton all over again, folks!

actors i think are even more vulnerable than the rest of us to being human: they have to take on another persona and become another person in order to do their job. many actors have talked about this and how it has affected their personal life or how they saw another actor doing it and it was like the real person disappeared into the character''s persona. by virtue of going to their movies, we pay them to do this. it is unrealistic to expect them to not become emotionally involved. its one of the hazards of the job. and it swings both ways whether male or female.

btw, ''faithful husbands'' don''t throw themselves at, seek out, or pursue other women. and faithful husbands have been known to say ''no'' no matter how attractive the offer. why is it so much easier to blame ''the other woman'' rather than to accept the fact that ''my man'' made the decision he did? ultimately, i''m responsible for my decisions and so is my husband....and so was my ex...that''s why he''s an ex.

peace, movie zombie

I agree whole-heartedly! People are so quick to blame the other woman!

It takes two. When will it be time for men to be responsible for their actions?

. Why do people even bother getting married anymore? Many people do not remain faithful to the person they married and will/have strayed at some point. It''s ridiculous. We have become a throwaway society...

. Thankfully, this hasn''t been an issue between me and my husband.

. I do feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston having to see Brad''s ''new'' relationship thrown in her face everytime she leaves her house.

I think one reason so many people are ready to blame Angelina is because she has been so outspoken and public about her life, her sexuality, and her relationships. And she isn''t exactly keeping a low profile this time, either. I haven''t seen any pictures of her and Brad having sex or anything, and neither has anyone else that I know of...lol. But she is being photographed an awful lot with a man who is not her husband, and as far as I know is still married to someone else. Maybe it''s just the age we live in, but if she and Brad are having a legitimate relationship, and his and Jennifer''s marriage is truly over that''s fine. But they could have at least kept a low profile until the ink was dry on the divorce papers. I don''t even think the cork on the ink bottle has even been opened yet at this point...

.

I guess I''m just an old-fashioned fuddy duddy or something, but I don''t see the point of anyone, even celebs, flaunting their relationships and break-ups in public. It probably seems like a movie or a soap opera to regular people like us, but even movie stars and rock stars have children, parents, siblings, and friends who are affected and can be hurt by a lot of this. I don''t think many people give that a lot of thought. I''m just as guilty of the next guy of reading about Brad and Angelina, or Tom Cruise, or Brittney Spears, or whoever. But every once in a while, I stop a minute and think about my own past experiences and heartbreaks and I realize that these are people, too, not fictional characters on a movie or a TV show, and that it isn''t all glitz and glamour and there''s probably a lot more to the story than we read in the mags or see on ET. OK...off my soapbox now. I probably shouldn''t even started reading this thread, let alone making posts on the subject

 

[AGBF]

Date: 7/1/2005 8:37:42 PM
Author: sjz
It's no different than many other jobs. There are some similarities in the field of medicine. It's easy to let yourself become emotionally attatched (not in a sexual way, necessarily) to your patient's and sometimes even your co-workers. You just have to draw a line and make sure that you don't cross it. I've known doctors and nurses who've had affairs with their co-workers, and sometimes even their patients. And that's fine, as long as they are not married!

Actually, it may be fine to have a sexual relationship with a co-worker, but it is not fine for a professional to have a sexual relationship with his patient. Under any circumstances. The marital status of the parties is absolutely immaterial. I know that it is against the code of ethics in all the mental health professions. It is also illegal in many venues, and should be. A patient is in an unequal relationship with a care provider. The care provider has power. A professional mental health worker having a sexual relationship with a patient is like an adult having a sexual relationship with a child.

We in the mental health field are taught that there are many, many ways in which we all tend to use our patients (or clients) unconsciously and that it is our job to get rid of every one of those ways. (One shouldn't try to elicit praise from a patient or engage him in chat about one's own problems or ask him for advice on how to fix a car or write a will. So one certainly shouldn't use him to feel loved and wanted or to have sexual pleasure!)

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/1/2005 8:54:26 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 7/1/2005 8:37:42 PM
Author: sjz
It's no different than many other jobs. There are some similarities in the field of medicine. It's easy to let yourself become emotionally attatched (not in a sexual way, necessarily) to your patient's and sometimes even your co-workers. You just have to draw a line and make sure that you don't cross it. I've known doctors and nurses who've had affairs with their co-workers, and sometimes even their patients. And that's fine, as long as they are not married!

Actually, it may be fine to have a sexual relationship with a co-worker, but it is not fine for a professional to have a sexual relationship with his patient. Under any circumstances. The marital status of the parties is absolutely immaterial. I know that it is against the code of ethics in all the mental health professions. It is also illegal in many venues, and should be. A patient is in an unequal relationship with a care provider. The care provider has power. A professional mental health worker having a sexual relationship with a patient is like an adult having a sexual relationship with a child.

We in the mental health field are taught that there are many, many ways in which we all tend to use our patients (or clients) unconsciously and that it is our job to get rid of every one of those ways. (One shouldn't try to elicit praise from a patient or engage him in chat about one's own problems or ask him for advice on how to fix a car or write a will. So one certainly shouldn't use him to feel loved and wanted or to have sexual pleasure!)

Well, duh! I never said that it was ok for a medical professional to have a sexual relationship with a patient that was under their care! Especially one that is mentally impaired for some reason. Any patients that I dated when I was single were people that I met while taking care of them. The dating part came later...after they were no longer in my care. There is nothing unethical or illegal about dating someone that has been your patient in the past, or a doctor or nurse that has treated you as a patient. As long as neither one of you are married and you are not comprimising professional/patient integrity.

Here's an example from my own life...when I was single and working in the ER, one day a really cute guy broke his leg in a skiing accident. He was brought to the ER. I was the nurse who took care of him and assisted the MD who casted his leg. A few days later he came back, because the cast was too tight and cutting off the circulation to his foot. I again took care of him and helped the doc take off the cast and put on a new one. A few weeks later, this guy came back to the ER as an outpatient to have his cast removed and have his leg re-xrayed. Again, I was the nurse on duty and I took care of him. By this time, we had become pretty aquainted (you do that when you hold somone's leg for nearly an hour at a crack a few times). A few more weeks went by and I didn't see this guy again. One day, the cute guy with the now healed broken leg ran into my brother and his girlfriend. While they were talking, he was telling them about having broken his leg, and this nice, sweet, cute little nurse that took care of him everytime he went to the ER (me

) My bro and his GF started asking him questions about this "cute nurse", and he said her name was Suzi, and she was about so big with brown hair and blue eyes, etc...They both knew instantly that it was me that he was describing, and they told him! He was like "wow, is she seeing anyone? think she'd go out with me?" They told him to give me a call, which he did. We dated for a few months, and he was really nice, but he was a firefighter and I was always too worried about him and nervous when he had to go to a fire call. As a matter of fact...one time while we were dating, he got hurt at the scene of a fire and suffered smoke inhalation. The ambulance brought him to the ER, and I happened to be one of the nurses on duty that night. I recused myself from taking care of him that time, because we were dating

. Anyway...we ended up breaking up on good terms, because I couldn't handle the stress of dating a firefighter. I don't think I could have ever been able to handle dating a cop, either. I'm too much of a worrier. But then again, I always said I'd never marry a doctor or anyone in the medical profession and I married TWO of THEM...lol!

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 7/1/2005 8:54:26 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 7/1/2005 8:37:42 PM
Author: sjz
It''s no different than many other jobs. There are some similarities in the field of medicine. It''s easy to let yourself become emotionally attatched (not in a sexual way, necessarily) to your patient''s and sometimes even your co-workers. You just have to draw a line and make sure that you don''t cross it. I''ve known doctors and nurses who''ve had affairs with their co-workers, and sometimes even their patients. And that''s fine, as long as they are not married!

Actually, it may be fine to have a sexual relationship with a co-worker, but it is not fine for a professional to have a sexual relationship with his patient. Under any circumstances. The marital status of the parties is absolutely immaterial. I know that it is against the code of ethics in all the mental health professions. It is also illegal in many venues, and should be. A patient is in an unequal relationship with a care provider. The care provider has power. A professional mental health worker having a sexual relationship with a patient is like an adult having a sexual relationship with a child.

We in the mental health field are taught that there are many, many ways in which we all tend to use our patients (or clients) unconsciously and that it is our job to get rid of every one of those ways. (One shouldn''t try to elicit praise from a patient or engage him in chat about one''s own problems or ask him for advice on how to fix a car or write a will. So one certainly shouldn''t use him to feel loved and wanted or to have sexual pleasure!)

yep, that one crossed the line for me, too! a sexual or emotional relationship with a patient is not professional. either the client/patient relationship or the sexual and/or emotional relationship needs to be broken off. and i blame the professional, not the patient for this one...i don''t care what the gender or marital status of the professional may be! as in all things, it is in the eye of the beholder that the beauty...or in this case, the immorality....is seen. which means it is all subjective anyway.

i''m not so sure that b+a are parading around as much as the media finds it politically expediant and easier to pursue them than to pursue and write about other problems this country is experiencing. and i''m not sure that the media isn''t right when they say they''re giving the people what they want...... brad is right: think of all the $$$ and energy going into pursueing them that could be used to do good in africa....or elsewhere, for that matter.

peace, movie zombie

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/1/2005 9:34:35 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 7/1/2005 8:54:26 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 7/1/2005 8:37:42 PM
Author: sjz
It''s no different than many other jobs. There are some similarities in the field of medicine. It''s easy to let yourself become emotionally attatched (not in a sexual way, necessarily) to your patient''s and sometimes even your co-workers. You just have to draw a line and make sure that you don''t cross it. I''ve known doctors and nurses who''ve had affairs with their co-workers, and sometimes even their patients. And that''s fine, as long as they are not married!

Actually, it may be fine to have a sexual relationship with a co-worker, but it is not fine for a professional to have a sexual relationship with his patient. Under any circumstances. The marital status of the parties is absolutely immaterial. I know that it is against the code of ethics in all the mental health professions. It is also illegal in many venues, and should be. A patient is in an unequal relationship with a care provider. The care provider has power. A professional mental health worker having a sexual relationship with a patient is like an adult having a sexual relationship with a child.

We in the mental health field are taught that there are many, many ways in which we all tend to use our patients (or clients) unconsciously and that it is our job to get rid of every one of those ways. (One shouldn''t try to elicit praise from a patient or engage him in chat about one''s own problems or ask him for advice on how to fix a car or write a will. So one certainly shouldn''t use him to feel loved and wanted or to have sexual pleasure!)

yep, that one crossed the line for me, too! a sexual or emotional relationship with a patient is not professional. either the client/patient relationship or the sexual and/or emotional relationship needs to be broken off. and i blame the professional, not the patient for this one...i don''t care what the gender or marital status of the professional may be! as in all things, it is in the eye of the beholder that the beauty...or in this case, the immorality....is seen. which means it is all subjective anyway.

i''m not so sure that b+a are parading around as much as the media finds it politically expediant and easier to pursue them than to pursue and write about other problems this country is experiencing. and i''m not sure that the media isn''t right when they say they''re giving the people what they want...... brad is right: think of all the $$$ and energy going into pursueing them that could be used to do good in africa....or elsewhere, for that matter.

peace, movie zombie

You guys are taking what I said out of context, or misconstruing it. Or maybe I worded it badly. It *is* unethical for a medical professional to become sexually or emotionally involved with a patient that is under their care. That is not what I meant. But I have known many medical professionals who meet patients on the job, and ended up dating them later on. There is nothing unethical or immoral about that. I myself never dated anyone while they were my patient, either. The few patients that I did date, or become friends with outside of work, were people that I took care of briefly in the ER for some relatively minor thing. One guy had a broken leg, one guy was someone who been in a car accident and came in to get stitches and and x-ray. Actually, I had met that guy before...went to highschool with him but we didn''t date back then. After we met again in the ER, he called me up and we went out a couple of times. The only other guy that I dated had been the younger brother of a friend that I went to highschool with. He was a couple of years younger than we were, so I didn''t know him well in school. He had his appendix taken out, and I was one of the nurses who took care of him. We got to be friendly while he was in the hospital, and later, after he was discharged, he called me up and we went out a few times, too. Dang, come to think of it, I never had sex with any of those former patients...

. I guess I missed my big chance at being "unethical". Now I''m a married woman and I can''t date anyone except DH!

. That''s fine, though...he''s all I need!

 

[MissAva]

Okay I admittedly just became intreasted in celeb gossip...I think the things posted here are fascinating and I am trying to catch up. When I did a search on Miss Jolie I came up with articles about her incest with her brother? Ewww that is just yucky, I dont care how close you are with you family tounge kissing (in public no less) is gross, and wrong. I try not to pass judement on others becuase I wouldnt want to be judged either by INCEST IS WRONG. yuck. Personally I think that it might all be a huge publicity stunt. Free press an sympathy flying out to each party....what if 6-12 months from now Brand and Jenn were back together and friends with Angelina....wouldnt that be a perfect story. And then we could all look down at our toes and feel remorseful for the things we had said and thought....

 

[Mara]

Date: 7/1/2005 8:51:54 PM
Author: sjz

Date: 7/1/2005 8:01:38 PM
Author: Sunni79

Date: 7/1/2005 6:48:47 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 7/1/2005 5:52:44 PM
Author: Mara
I definitely don't think that this relationship will last at all....Angelina's past speaks for itself, she falls for the leading men in her life and then within a few months or years, next!! But who knows. Maybe it's luv.

its taylor/burton all over again, folks!

actors i think are even more vulnerable than the rest of us to being human: they have to take on another persona and become another person in order to do their job. many actors have talked about this and how it has affected their personal life or how they saw another actor doing it and it was like the real person disappeared into the character's persona. by virtue of going to their movies, we pay them to do this. it is unrealistic to expect them to not become emotionally involved. its one of the hazards of the job. and it swings both ways whether male or female.

btw, 'faithful husbands' don't throw themselves at, seek out, or pursue other women. and faithful husbands have been known to say 'no' no matter how attractive the offer. why is it so much easier to blame 'the other woman' rather than to accept the fact that 'my man' made the decision he did? ultimately, i'm responsible for my decisions and so is my husband....and so was my ex...that's why he's an ex.

peace, movie zombie

I agree whole-heartedly! People are so quick to blame the other woman!

It takes two. When will it be time for men to be responsible for their actions?

. Why do people even bother getting married anymore? Many people do not remain faithful to the person they married and will/have strayed at some point. It's ridiculous. We have become a throwaway society...

. Thankfully, this hasn't been an issue between me and my husband.

. I do feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston having to see Brad's 'new' relationship thrown in her face everytime she leaves her house.

I think one reason so many people are ready to blame Angelina is because she has been so outspoken and public about her life, her sexuality, and her relationships. And she isn't exactly keeping a low profile this time, either. I haven't seen any pictures of her and Brad having sex or anything, and neither has anyone else that I know of...lol. But she is being photographed an awful lot with a man who is not her husband, and as far as I know is still married to someone else. Maybe it's just the age we live in, but if she and Brad are having a legitimate relationship, and his and Jennifer's marriage is truly over that's fine. But they could have at least kept a low profile until the ink was dry on the divorce papers. I don't even think the cork on the ink bottle has even been opened yet at this point...

.

How could she keep a lower profile? She is traveling and vacationing, living her own life. The photographers are the one not keeping low profiles by snapping pictures of the and publishing them. Is she posing on the red carpet and hanging on Brad? Or is she hanging out by the beach with her son and Brad? They aren't even touching as others have pointed out. Is it expected for her or him or them or whoever to hide in their house until a divorce is final, or at least until the public deems it appropriate?

Who knows what their relationship is, if they are friends or more, etc...but hanging out alot with a man who is not her husband is not cause for crucifying women in today's day and age...again I have no bias towards or against Angelina in general, but I really feel like she is getting the sword in this one, while yes, Jennifer is just hanging back and the photographers are making her look like the victim. In some mags they title it 'Jen gets on with her life' and she is shown looking snuggly with Vince Vaughn, and then next week she is 'Jen is agonized over Brad and Angelina' with a red-eyed image of her.

In some other mags, some close friends have noted that Jen is a very insecure individual and that she apparently feels like she is not beautiful, is rather plain and some other comments along those same lines of how she views herself. I have no idea what is true or not, but maybe Brad likes that Angelina is more brazen and confident and out there and different from her wife. Maybe he is just a confused individual who doesn't know WHAT he wants!

So again, reality? Hard to know...and hard to really judge! Especially with celebs, when so much of what we see is all paparazzi's stolen shots of intimate or private moments.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/2/2005 2:40:39 AM
Author: Mara

Date: 7/1/2005 8:51:54 PM
Author: sjz

Date: 7/1/2005 8:01:38 PM
Author: Sunni79

Date: 7/1/2005 6:48:47 PM
Author: movie zombie

Date: 7/1/2005 5:52:44 PM
Author: Mara
I definitely don''t think that this relationship will last at all....Angelina''s past speaks for itself, she falls for the leading men in her life and then within a few months or years, next!! But who knows. Maybe it''s luv.

its taylor/burton all over again, folks!

actors i think are even more vulnerable than the rest of us to being human: they have to take on another persona and become another person in order to do their job. many actors have talked about this and how it has affected their personal life or how they saw another actor doing it and it was like the real person disappeared into the character''s persona. by virtue of going to their movies, we pay them to do this. it is unrealistic to expect them to not become emotionally involved. its one of the hazards of the job. and it swings both ways whether male or female.

btw, ''faithful husbands'' don''t throw themselves at, seek out, or pursue other women. and faithful husbands have been known to say ''no'' no matter how attractive the offer. why is it so much easier to blame ''the other woman'' rather than to accept the fact that ''my man'' made the decision he did? ultimately, i''m responsible for my decisions and so is my husband....and so was my ex...that''s why he''s an ex.

peace, movie zombie

I agree whole-heartedly! People are so quick to blame the other woman!

It takes two. When will it be time for men to be responsible for their actions?

. Why do people even bother getting married anymore? Many people do not remain faithful to the person they married and will/have strayed at some point. It''s ridiculous. We have become a throwaway society...

. Thankfully, this hasn''t been an issue between me and my husband.

. I do feel sorry for Jennifer Aniston having to see Brad''s ''new'' relationship thrown in her face everytime she leaves her house.

I think one reason so many people are ready to blame Angelina is because she has been so outspoken and public about her life, her sexuality, and her relationships. And she isn''t exactly keeping a low profile this time, either. I haven''t seen any pictures of her and Brad having sex or anything, and neither has anyone else that I know of...lol. But she is being photographed an awful lot with a man who is not her husband, and as far as I know is still married to someone else. Maybe it''s just the age we live in, but if she and Brad are having a legitimate relationship, and his and Jennifer''s marriage is truly over that''s fine. But they could have at least kept a low profile until the ink was dry on the divorce papers. I don''t even think the cork on the ink bottle has even been opened yet at this point...

.

How could she keep a lower profile? She is traveling and vacationing, living her own life. The photographers are the one not keeping low profiles by snapping pictures of the and publishing them. Is she posing on the red carpet and hanging on Brad? Or is she hanging out by the beach with her son and Brad? They aren''t even touching as others have pointed out. Is it expected for her or him or them or whoever to hide in their house until a divorce is final, or at least until the public deems it appropriate?

Who knows what their relationship is, if they are friends or more, etc...but hanging out alot with a man who is not her husband is not cause for crucifying women in today''s day and age...again I have no bias towards or against Angelina in general, but I really feel like she is getting the sword in this one, while yes, Jennifer is just hanging back and the photographers are making her look like the victim. In some mags they title it ''Jen gets on with her life'' and she is shown looking snuggly with Vince Vaughn, and then next week she is ''Jen is agonized over Brad and Angelina'' with a red-eyed image of her.

In some other mags, some close friends have noted that Jen is a very insecure individual and that she apparently feels like she is not beautiful, is rather plain and some other comments along those same lines of how she views herself. I have no idea what is true or not, but maybe Brad likes that Angelina is more brazen and confident and out there and different from her wife. Maybe he is just a confused individual who doesn''t know WHAT he wants!

So again, reality? Hard to know...and hard to really judge! Especially with celebs, when so much of what we see is all paparazzi''s stolen shots of intimate or private moments.

I guess I''ve seen plenty of both types of pictures of B&A lately. Ones that looked "staged" where they are dressed in evening clothes, and others that look more candid. But I haven''t seen any pictures of them that I can think of where they look as if they are trying to hide from the photographers, or anything like that. Like I said, it''s not like there''s been any pics of them having sex or making out at all. But there sure has been a LOT of pics of the two of them, and lately I''ve been seeing an increasing number of pictures of the two of them with her kid.

In the past (pre-Brad) I''ve read lots of articles about and interviews with Angelina. She hasn''t exactly been shy about talking about herself. I remember reading one interview with her a few years ago, during the BillyBob years, where she talked about her sexual likes and dislikes and pretty much said there wasn''t much in the sexual arena that she hadn''t tried. Once again...TMI...LOL!

Getting back to her child...I was once a single mom of a young child. My oldest was only 1 when his father and I divorced, and he was nearly 5 when I married his step father. I dated a bit after my divorce, and before I met my husband. I was VERY careful about letting my young son meet any guy I was dating, or even friends with. I didn''t want him to be confused or anything like that about the relationships in my life. There weren''t actually that many men...lol...just a couple of casual friends that I went out with, and one semi-serious relationship for a few months before I met my husband. The only two that my son even met or spent time with were my husband and the semi-serious one. And mind you, I wasn''t being photograhped with these people and my every move wasn''t publisized in magazines and on TV all the time. I simply didn''t feel that a young child needed to be involved with any relationship that I was having at that time, or become emotionally attatched to some guy unless I thought it was going to lead to something more serious than a friendship or casual dating type of thing. I''m really not judging anyone, but I guess it bugs me to see a child in the mix of all this. If this relationship goes the way that all the other relationships Angelina has had in the past...Brad will probably be history sooner or later. If her son is spending a lot of time with him, at an age where he doesn''t really fully comprehend what''s going on, or if as some have suggested, this whole relationship is some kind of publicity stunt on their part, that kid is going to be at the very least confused, and possibly hurt if he develops some kind of emotional attatchment to Brad. I know, probably most people won''t agree with me on this, either. I seem to be the odd one out on this whole subject, but I can''t help the way I feel. I''d feel the same way about anyone in these circumstances, it makes no difference to me if the people involved are celebs or regular folks who live down the block. Hopefully, if this is anything serious between B&A, and he''s involved with her child, the two of them will be able to provide some stability and good role models for him. But as you pointed out, all we see is what the media is showing us, and who can know the reality from what we see in the media?

 

[MrsFrk]

Date: 7/1/2005 8:01:30 PM
Author: KittenKat
No one knows what really happened...


Jennifer certainly looks like somewhat of an angel through all this. How do we know she''s the victim?


But... friends of mine in the industry, who have worked with Jennifer say ---- she is less than sweet at times. Actually, some have called her an extremely cold beotch.


As for Angelina, I''ve heard nothing but nice things about her from people who''ve worked with her. She''s friendly and doesn''t treat people like crap. (Jennifer on the other hand has a rep for not treating underlings very nice...) I happen to like Angelina a lot. Her honesty thru her crazy times is refreshing in a world of PR Spinsters.


And I agree with people above... that photo looks like two friends spending time together. She''s gorgeous - so hence why everyone questions his intentions.

Yup. My childhood friend works in Hollywood, and Miss Aniston is a demanding prima donna. People adore the Rachel character from "Friends", but as KittenKat mentioned, she is not nice to the minions. As far as Angelina Jolie is concerned, I respect her for putting her money (millions so far), and time, where her mouth is, and not just showing up for some "Let''s Help Africa!!" fundraiser in Beverly Hills.

Actors are often immature creatures who have difficulty separating pretend from real life. (Hi, I''m an actor, so I can bring a HANDGUN into the airport). So many actors end up ''falling in love'' with their leading man/woman. IT WAS PRETEND, PEOPLE!!!!

 

[fire&ice]

In some other mags, some close friends have noted that Jen is a very insecure individual and that she apparently feels like she is not beautiful, is rather plain and some other comments along those same lines of how she views herself.

Needy w/ no role model for what makes a happy marriage.

This isn''t any excuse persay - but, what if the marriage was an eroding miserable one?

 

[fire&ice]

Just my 2c, what''s wrong with spending time with her son? People come in and out of your life on a regular basis. Clearly, they seem to be genuine in the attention and affection paid to the child.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/2/2005 10:53:52 AM
Author: fire&ice
Just my 2c, what''s wrong with spending time with her son? People come in and out of your life on a regular basis. Clearly, they seem to be genuine in the attention and affection paid to the child.

There''s nothing "wrong" with it per se, but if that type of thing is not handled correctly, it can mess kids up. I''ve seen too many kids in my life who had single parents and were subjected to a string of mommy or daddy''s "special" friends and lovers. I know a lot of kids grow up in non-traditional families and do just fine, but a lot of kids don''t. Maybe I''m unusual or something, but for me, my kids have always been my top priority. With every single decision I make, I consider how it''s going to affect my kids before anything else. Hopefully Ms Jolie is the same way. If her son is old enough to understand what''s going on with this relationship, whatever it is, and she''s open and honest with him, it''ll probably be ok. But if some of the rumors out B&A are true, and this is some kind of publicity stunt on their part to promote their movie, or Brad is trying to woo both women at the same time, or Brad is just on in a series of Ms Jolies "leading men" and there will be replacement next time she shoots a movie...it''s probably not a good idea to bring the child into the mix. I dunno, I guess only time will tell. Guess we will all have to keep watching to gossip columns to see how this one turns out.

 

[Mara]

In interviews in the recent past...Angelina has been pretty open about what her life was like before she had her son, and how her life has changed since he came into her life. Yes she did some pretty weird stuff, whatever floats your boat I guess, but the biggest thing that has stuck with me in reading her interviews in mags and stuff is that she noted that after you have a child, someone you are responsible for and depends on you for an existence, you can''t be as selfish about what you want or how your life isn''t living up to your expectations etc. You have to be strong for the child. Now this is coming from a gal who, if I recall correctly, tried to kill herself a few times, and was into some weird lifestyle things like being fascinated by dead people etc. You have to be involved in life for your child. That impressed me...here was a gal who admitted she had issues, instead of most people, esp Hollywood (aka JLo) who obviously have issues but instead try to hide them or never own up to them (yes it''s normal to marry 4 men in 5 years and divorce them all when I get bored!)..and was pretty open that having this child depend on her had changed her life for the better. I remember being a bit skeptical when she went through the whole adoption thing, like...uh oh a new toy for a celebrity, but it is clear from anything written and also pix and everything she does with him that she adores this child. She has also noted in interviews that she is very protective over her son and who he meets and spends time with, and that is why she has not really had a serious relationship since her ex-hubby, Billy..because she doesn''t want her son to get attached and also has noted that her son is such a special person that he would deserve a special father etc.

So based upon what I have read and quotes from her own mouth, I tend to think she always has her son''s best interests at heart, even in the back of her mind, and seriously doubt this is a publicity stunt if they are traveling with the child etc. But as we keep saying, who really knows. In any case, I feel like in a world of plastic celebrity people, Angelina is the one that stands out as being more able for the masses to connect with, with her past and issues and openness to confront problems and discuss her changes in life. Funny though, in real life I do see more women who don''t like her for what they feel she portrays, and similarly, more men are interested in her maybe for those same reasons.

As for hiding from the cameras...paparazzi will get *a* shot regardless. I would probably have less respect for B/A if they were running away from the cameras or hiding. Instead it''s like...''hey I am living my life and you camera people can do whatever you want. It doesn''t affect me.''

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 7/2/2005 10:53:52 AM
Author: fire&ice
Just my 2c, what''s wrong with spending time with her son? People come in and out of your life on a regular basis. Clearly, they seem to be genuine in the attention and affection paid to the child.

goodness, are the planets misaligned?! i''m agreeing with you again, F&I.....

peace, movie zombie

 

[sjz]

Wow, Mara. You seem to know a lot about Angelina. I guess I haven''t read that much about her recently, at least not since she''s changed so much. I do remember reading some things about her more freaky period in her life, but not so much about her since she''s adopted her son. I suppose it''s possible for someone to change. Good for her! I tend not to totally believe everthing I read about celebs anyway. I realize that a lot of what the media says about them is geared toward what will sell the most magazines or get the highest ratings. My own personal opnions and thoughts are obviously colored by my own past experiences and observations of people I actually know. That''s naturally going to make me see things in a different way than you do, or other people do. We all have our own ideas and value systems that cause us to form our opinions.

I''m guessing then, based on what you say you''ve read about her recently, that this relationship w/Brad must be something special to her, or she wouldn''t have allowed him to become involved with her son. Whether that''s a close friendship or something more remains to be seen. I do admit to not reading the celebrity magazines as much as some of the rest of you apparently do. The only magazines I subscribe to are decorating magazines, health care related publications, and the TV guide...lol. I don''t even watch a lot of TV. Most of my exposure to celebrity gossip is when there is a thread on PS about them, like this one, or when I''m in the waiting room at the doctor''s office and I get a chance to leaf through a PEOPLE magazine or something like that.

I do have the strong feeling, however, that this isn''t going to be a "lasting" relationship between the two. Neither one of them has the best track record in the relationship department. They''ve both been married before, and had a few other highly publisized flings over the years I think. Of course, if this thing between them is really only a really close friendship, the whole situation amounts to nothing more than a tempest in a teacup...lol.

 

[sjz]

One other thing I noticed about this thread...the tone and various opinions have changed since the earlier posts. At first, most posters seemed pretty cynical, and even mocking in their opinons of Angelina. Now, it looks like everyone is standing up for her and more or less defending her. I find that interesting.

 

[Mara]

Date: 7/2/2005 2:29:09 PM
Author: sjz
Wow, Mara. You seem to know a lot about Angelina.

Not really. I only know what I read, just like the rest of us. But I do recall that one article after she got her son where she talked about how her life has changed. It was in a Vogue or something like that a few years ago. I remember thinking, wow it sounds like she's got it together finally. Good for her.

I am a confessed US Weekly junkie and pore through it as soon as it comes in the mail, so I'm usually abreast of what's going on in the gossipy celeb world, not like that's a big deal.

It's entertainment reading, and I like looking at the fashions, who's wearing what, the bling, who did what, what the next fad is, etc.

One funny thing that I have noticed is that alot of times if something is reported more than once, it usually ends up happening. aka the Brad and Jen having problems articles were popping up for over a year sporadically in these mags. I remember thinking..wow I hope that's not true. Then it turned out to be. Same thing with things like pregnancies (Britney), marriages/couples, etc. Kind of funny since I tend to take much of what I read in these mags with huge grains of salt...but then it seems like most of the time the predictions or rumors come true! Go figure.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/2/2005 3:09:09 PM
Author: Mara

Date: 7/2/2005 2:29:09 PM
Author: sjz
Wow, Mara. You seem to know a lot about Angelina.

Not really. I only know what I read, just like the rest of us. But I do recall that one article after she got her son where she talked about how her life has changed. It was in a Vogue or something like that a few years ago. I remember thinking, wow it sounds like she''s got it together finally. Good for her.

I am a confessed US Weekly junkie and pore through it as soon as it comes in the mail, so I''m usually abreast of what''s going on in the gossipy celeb world, not like that''s a big deal.

It''s entertainment reading, and I like looking at the fashions, who''s wearing what, the bling, who did what, what the next fad is, etc.

One funny thing that I have noticed is that alot of times if something is reported more than once, it usually ends up happening. aka the Brad and Jen having problems articles were popping up for over a year sporadically in these mags. I remember thinking..wow I hope that''s not true. Then it turned out to be. Same thing with things like pregnancies (Britney), marriages/couples, etc. Kind of funny since I tend to take much of what I read in these mags with huge grains of salt...but then it seems like most of the time the predictions or rumors come true! Go figure.

Oh well, I''d probably read more magazines focused on celebs and fashion and so on if I had the time! But my kids and my work and my music keep me pretty busy (not to mention all the hours I spend on PS)! I don''t even read a lot of the magazines I already subscribe to. I try to keep up with the medical ones, but the decorating mags I usually just flip through and look at the pics these days...lol.

My grandma used to have a lot of "gossip" magazines around when she was still living, and she''d give them to me to read when she was finished with them. But she passed away over 5 years ago, and since then my exposure has been pretty sporadic.

I don''t watch a lot of TV, either, so I miss out on a lot of the entertainment news. I do listen to talk radio when I''m in the car, and that''s a lot. Sometimes I do hear some tidbits from the various radio programs, but mostly they talk about current events and politics and that sort of thing. I probably know more about the Arnold now that he''s gov. than I ever knew about him when he was a movie star, so what does that tell ya? Most of the time if I get a chance to look through a PEOPLE or US Weekly, I''m more focused on looking at the pictures to get a peek at the fashions and bling than I am on reading the articles and interviews. I suppose I''ll have to rely on you and others to keep me posted on the latest happenings in these famous people''s lives from now on.

 

[KittenKat]

I know people mention that celebs can hide from photogs... but it''s nearly impossible here in LA. (Or anywhere...)

For the biggest, A-list actors there are ALWAYS people camped outside their homes waiting for them to leave.

Drive up Robertson Blvd (Near The Ivy and Kitson) and often there are photogs just sitting, and waiting... for SOMEONE to walk by. It''s sick. In Beverly Hills you''ll see photos waiting for a star... they just sit, wait and hope they catch someone.

Anywhere Brad or Angelina go, people follow. If I were in their shoes, I''d probably never leave my house.

My fiance works with a few big celebrities, and will join them on outings. He said it''s insane to watch how frequently people approach them, and how they need to smile and seem happy. They walk in a room, and everyone stares. They have a fork full of food in their mouth, people approach them for photos. It''s tough, but they realize they chose this life AND they need this type of attention.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/2/2005 4:23:03 PM
Author: KittenKat
I know people mention that celebs can hide from photogs... but it''s nearly impossible here in LA. (Or anywhere...)

For the biggest, A-list actors there are ALWAYS people camped outside their homes waiting for them to leave.

Drive up Robertson Blvd (Near The Ivy and Kitson) and often there are photogs just sitting, and waiting... for SOMEONE to walk by. It''s sick. In Beverly Hills you''ll see photos waiting for a star... they just sit, wait and hope they catch someone.

Anywhere Brad or Angelina go, people follow. If I were in their shoes, I''d probably never leave my house.

My fiance works with a few big celebrities, and will join them on outings. He said it''s insane to watch how frequently people approach them, and how they need to smile and seem happy. They walk in a room, and everyone stares. They have a fork full of food in their mouth, people approach them for photos. It''s tough, but they realize they chose this life AND they need this type of attention.

I''m sure it''s got to be rough for celebs. I know it''s not nearly on the same level, but until about a year ago, my husband used to be featured on a weekly segment on our local CBS news affiliate. It was called "Ask Dr. Z". People would write or call in with medical questions for him to answer, or he would choose a health care related topic to talk about each week. He was kind of a "junior" Dr. Dean Adell. Anyway...he did this for several years, and it was always a pain when we went out in public. We live in a large university town, and lots of people used to watch him on TV. I don''t think anyone ever tried to take his picture or anything, but a people used to come up to him all the time when we were in restaurants, or the mall or whatever, to tell him they''d seen him on TV and talk to him. A couple of people even asked for autographs, and embarrassed the heck out of him! I can''t even begin to imagine how it must be for someone who is really famous! But then again, as you pointed out...celebs chose this life and apparently need the type of attention that they are getting. I doubt if most of the photographs that are taken are really as intrusive as we think. I''m sure celebs know that they are going to be photographed in all sorts of situations, and are pretty much expecting it. Every once in a while, though, you will hear about one who is suing the paparazzi over some particularly unflattering pictures or some type of really blatent invasion of privacy. I suppose they should realize it will be like this when they sign on for the ride, though.

 

[MissAva]

For the most part I agree, but a friend of mine who reads police reports, lord knows why, found one where Reese Witherspoon and her child were pinned against a car and the shooters were asking if she had kicked her husband out of the house....the police were called after some other things. Like it isnt hard enought to be the star of a child....Adults are aware of the decisions they make but their children arent. I am fine 99% with the adult pictures but the ones with children make my blood boil, leave those kidsa alone.

 

[sjz]

Date: 7/3/2005 3:53:08 PM
Author: Matatora
For the most part I agree, but a friend of mine who reads police reports, lord knows why, found one where Reese Witherspoon and her child were pinned against a car and the shooters were asking if she had kicked her husband out of the house....the police were called after some other things. Like it isnt hard enought to be the star of a child....Adults are aware of the decisions they make but their children arent. I am fine 99% with the adult pictures but the ones with children make my blood boil, leave those kidsa alone.

Oh, I definetley agree with you about the children. That''s why I made some of the comments that I made in earlier posts about Angelina''s allowing herself and Brad Pitt to be photographed with her son. It all may be perfectly innocent and all...but it kind of bugs me to see celebrities who push their kids into the spotlight, as if they are some kind of accessory or something. And before anyone decides to jump me for that statement I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS WHAT ANGELINA IS DOING!!! LOL!

I even feel kind of sorry for those little dogs that people like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears are always dragging around with them. I have a dog, too, and she''s too big to fit into one of those little doggy purses, but even if she could...I''m not so sure that she''d like it! And I''m sure that there''s probably someone on PS that has a toy dog that they carry around in a little dog purse, so please don''t take that statement the wrong way, either...I am not accusing anyone who does it of being cruel to animals. I just sometimes think celebrities jump into things just because they think it''s fashionable. And right now, accessorzing with little dogs is QUITE fashionable. I buy cutsie little collars for Daisy, and have been known to put a bow on her head once or twice myself

. But I don''t lug her around in purse (I''d actually need one of those suitcases on wheels for her, she''s a tub...lol) And I draw the line at taking her to the mall shopping and allowing her to accompany me to movie premiers...lol

 

[MissAva]

Ava is small engouh to fit in a pruse but if you want to stuff her into one you had damn sure better have filled it with happy meals...she loves to be held like a baby though....when she gets tired on our walk I carry her. A friend bought me one of those purse when she was a puppy. They have these little peices of leather with a hook on them much like a leash which you attach to the collar. Ava was just under two pounds when I got her so I took her everywhere worried she would get cold or scared or...whatever. The purse only madie it through one Wal-Mart run. Ava would jump out and be hanging mid air by her neck like a noose. I swear if C hadnt been with me I never would have felt the weight shift....some dogs like tough utlra spiffy Boston Terriers are simply not meant to be toted about.

 

[sjz]

Daisy is a mini-schnauzer. When we first got her, she was small enough to fit in a little doggie purse, but even as a puppy she was way too frisky for something like that. Even now, she''s a fiesty little thing! When we take a walk she is always literally walking me! Seriously, she goes along on her hind legs and PULLS me down the sidewalk, like I''m not going fast enough to suit her sometimes. I keep thinking I should just give in and put on my running shoes and jog with her, but I''m afraid she tangle me up in the leash and I''d fall down and break a hip or something...lol.

I''m sure that me and Daisy running around town don''t look nearly as glamorous as Paris or Brittney with their little celebpups. At least the paparazzi aren''t taking our pictures when we''re shlepping around the neighborhood...me with my cut off jeans and tank top and Daisy with her pink bandana. I should give the neighbors a good laugh one of these days, and put on a cocktail dress, all my bling and some high heels, strap a rhinestone collar on daisy and take a stoll ala Paris Hilton...LOL!

 

[kanne]

Is Brad trying to turn himself into a blonde version of Billy Bob? What''s the deal with the hair?

IMO..he has little to no personality. She''ll get bored.

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 7/6/2005 2:25:09 PM
Author: lovey
Is Brad trying to turn himself into a blonde version of Billy Bob? What''s the deal with the hair?

IMO..he has little to no personality. She''ll get bored.

I can''t speak for the hair as it''s a mess. But, the personality thing could be just the way he presents himself (or lack of presenting himself) to the media.

I did hear on the morning show that Angelinia Jollie is adopting another child - this one an Aids orphan from Ethopia.

 

[lmurden]

Date: 7/6/2005 2:32:00 PM
Author: fire&ice

Date: 7/6/2005 2:25:09 PM
Author: lovey
Is Brad trying to turn himself into a blonde version of Billy Bob? What''s the deal with the hair?

IMO..he has little to no personality. She''ll get bored.

I can''t speak for the hair as it''s a mess. But, the personality thing could be just the way he presents himself (or lack of presenting himself) to the media.

I did hear on the morning show that Angelinia Jollie is adopting another child - this one an Aids orphan from Ethopia.

Yes, I just heard that as little as in two days the adoption will go through!