Please help me find a I or J SI2 above 2 carats

[diamondseeker2006]

Hmmm, I will be interested to see what Yssie says. My current diamond has one spot with white with no visible effect, but this one almost has the whole ring with some leakage. I think the Good Old Gold stone is better, personally.

Just out of curiosity, why did IDJ provide you with the images?

So I called IDJ on monday morning to see if they can find me something in the same price range. I have made some small purchases with them but never anything big but I spoke to luann and yekutiel many times so it was a comfort thing for me. I told them I was considering other diamonds and was particularly interested in a diamond and yekutiel said that the same diamond was in his inventory as well and knew the supplier very well. I released the hold on that diamond so that yekutiel can get it for me from the supplier and let me know his opinion. He said that the diamond is a fireball and eye clean and the main inclusion a feather is not breaking the surface and can be pronged. He said that it is very rare to find SI2's that are like this diamond.

I see. The plus side is that I think IDJ does upgrades just on the slight chance you'd ever want to. But I hope Yssie comes because either those photos are bad or the stone has leakage. IDJ's images aren't quite as good as some others which makes them harder to interpret sometime.

I am curious about something. How much less is IDJ than JA?

 

[pinkprashu]

Hmmm, I will be interested to see what Yssie says. My current diamond has one spot with white with no visible effect, but this one almost has the whole ring with some leakage. I think the Good Old Gold stone is better, personally.

Just out of curiosity, why did IDJ provide you with the images?

So I called IDJ on monday morning to see if they can find me something in the same price range. I have made some small purchases with them but never anything big but I spoke to luann and yekutiel many times so it was a comfort thing for me. I told them I was considering other diamonds and was particularly interested in a diamond and yekutiel said that the same diamond was in his inventory as well and knew the supplier very well. I released the hold on that diamond so that yekutiel can get it for me from the supplier and let me know his opinion. He said that the diamond is a fireball and eye clean and the main inclusion a feather is not breaking the surface and can be pronged. He said that it is very rare to find SI2's that are like this diamond.

I see. The plus side is that I think IDJ does upgrades just on the slight chance you'd ever want to. But I hope Yssie comes because either those photos are bad or the stone has leakage. IDJ's images aren't quite as good as some others which makes them harder to interpret sometime.

I hope the photos are bad but want Yssie to weigh in. I thought the same when I saw the photos.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Do you mind telling me how much less IDJ's price was?

 

[pinkprashu]

Do you mind telling me how much less IDJ's price was?

I don't know yet. Yekutiel will let me know tomorrow. He is always lower than other vendors based on my experience. And he said he will give me the best price. I will let you know tomorrow what the price difference is.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Thank you! These things are very helpful to know for future reference!

 

[Laila619]

Yes, there's some leakage there based on the ASET and IS. Maybe it was tilted a bit in the IS though, because one side has less leakage than the other. The question is, will it be noticeable in real life? I doubt it.

 

[04diamond<3]

Yes, there's some leakage there based on the ASET and IS. Maybe it was tilted a bit in the IS though, because one side has less leakage than the other. The question is, will it be noticeable in real life? I doubt it.

This is how I thought, but I think for the size, the price and clarity this is a pretty good stone.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I am just being cautious because she said she wanted a stone with the cut quality of her ACA. She doesn't have to settle if this one isn't good enough because there are plenty of other stones out there. But, I think Yssie can interpret the photos and tell her whether it will equal the cut quality of the stone she has.

 

[pinkprashu]

I am just being cautious because she said she wanted a stone with the cut quality of her ACA. She doesn't have to settle if this one isn't good enough because there are plenty of other stones out there. But, I think Yssie can interpret the photos and tell her whether it will equal the cut quality of the stone she has.

I definitely want something that makes me feel the same way as my current diamond. What i am trying to understand is why would there be leakage in an ideal cut diamond? Yekutiel has told me it is an exquisite diamond but if the idealscope and aset images are not of the perfect diamond in terms of light performance then i will need to consider something else. Also do none of the ACA's have any light leakage? Do you think this diamobd would get an ideal rating by AGS?

 

[04diamond<3]

I am just being cautious because she said she wanted a stone with the cut quality of her ACA. She doesn't have to settle if this one isn't good enough because there are plenty of other stones out there. But, I think Yssie can interpret the photos and tell her whether it will equal the cut quality of the stone she has.

I definitely want something that makes me feel the same way as my current diamond. What i am trying to understand is why would there be leakage in an ideal cut diamond? Yekutiel has told me it is an exquisite diamond but if the idealscope and aset images are not of the perfect diamond in terms of light performance then i will need to consider something else. Also do none of the ACA's have any light leakage? Do you think this diamobd would get an ideal rating by AGS?

Is there any way you can see the stone yourself? I think at this point you just need to see how it performs. Yuki can send you a video of the stone, have you asked for one? I'd also ask if he can show you a side by side of another stone that's true h&a and this stone (which is also h&a). I think everyone can input their opinion and tell you what they think, but at this point you need to get this info for yourself and decide if this is something you want. This stone scored a 1.7 on the HCA and everyone on here agrees that "anything below 2 is great", you have Excellent for light return, fire and scintillation which means that this stone is a high performing stone and you have a video of the stone on JA's website. I'd just ask for a video to be done in different lighting situations and compared to a true h&a. So at this point, I'd ask Yuki to give you the rest of the information you're looking for and make your decision base on that.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Anything 2 or under (and sometimes 3 or under) on the HCA is worth looking at further, it never guarantees there isn't leakage nor does it prove the highest precision cutting. I have seen a couple of AGS0 stones posted on this forum that most of us would reject. So that is why we always at least want an idealscope image. Hopefully Yssie will see this today and comment on the images.

 

[pinkprashu]

I requested luann to take actual photos of the diamond and also next to another ideal cut diamond and possible send me a video. She said she will send the photos and video soon.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I requested luann to take actual photos of the diamond and also next to another ideal cut diamond and possible send me a video. She said she will send the photos and video soon.

Good. And I sent Yssie a message to check the thread when she is able. She is probably at work now.

 

[04diamond<3]

I requested luann to take actual photos of the diamond and also next to another ideal cut diamond and possible send me a video. She said she will send the photos and video soon.

That's great! I'm sure it'll be stunning!

 

[pinkprashu]

I did get the new pics form Yekutiel and he thinks that the light leakage is minimal if any and he cannot explain what is causing the light leakage. He did retake the idealscope and ASET iamges and also sent me a video and an actual diamond image. The video shows the difference in size between a 1.3 ct diamond and the one I am considering -

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Well, these images show the leakage again.
Can you post the video? I am very interested in seeing the size difference!

 

[04diamond<3]

I love the new picture!!! It looks stunning! The aset and ideal scope do show leakage in the center, but as someone else mentioned, I doubt it'll be a noticeable thing IRL.

 

[pinkprashu]

Well, these images show the leakage again.
Can you post the video? I am very interested in seeing the size difference!

How do I upload the video here?

 

[04diamond<3]

do you have a link to youtube or something? Then you just paste it in the reply box...

 

[Laila619]

Leakage in the IS and ASET, but in the big magnified image, it looks absolutely gorgeous!!

 

[pinkprashu]

Here you go.... The small diamond is a 1.3 ct H VS 2 triple X


http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2e1r7nc&s=6

 

[04diamond<3]

Here you go.... The small diamond is a 1.3 ct H VS 2 triple X


http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2e1r7nc&s=6

I absolutely love it!!!! Can you ask him to show it to you in daylight? I personally would have gotten it forever ago and definitely think at this point you should get it........but it's up to you. You will absolutely notice the size difference and even between a 2.3 and the 2.6 you will notice. Anyways, you know how I feel about it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Okay, I have heard back from Yssie. She can see the thread but she cannot post herself and will not be available tonight. So she gave me permission to post her thoughts on here. First message and then follow-up below.

From Yssie:

"I can't reply on the forum but I can read it - and, well, I'm not really sure where to start! Definitely not H&A, wouldn't you agree? I can't find an axis of symmetry that accounts for all those inconsistencies but I'd consider it a "near H&A", and I do think it's good enough that "true H&A" w/ super duper optical symmetry wouldn't yield visibly superior performance.

I see the leakage too, it's slight but definitely present, and since the stone IS bigger I think it'll be a bit easier to see the effects than if we were looking at the same IS for a smaller stone where it's just twinkle twinkle everywhere. The bigger facets and slower flashes just mean that you get more opportunity to see what's going on in each part of the stone at a given time. I wouldn't mind - based on cut alone I'd get it for myself no hesitation, but you know me, if a little less white light return under the table ups my odds of seeing colour then that's a tradeoff I'll make any day! But, of course, that's definitely not a tradeoff WF would make for their ACAs!!

But it's not just based on cut alone, and I don't think those inclusions would work for me IRL. I find IDJ's statement that the inclusions could be pronged disingenuous at best - sure, each could be individually pronged in theory, but...
1. She's looking at a 4 prong head, and there's just no way to put both blues under prongs unless the prongs are *gigantic* or they're not evenly spaced. But you could put a prong over one inclusion and near the other, which is probably enough to draw attention away from it, if that's the important thing!
2. It's a BIG stone with a HIGH crown. Balancing a prong on that UGF facet meet over the feather is no easy task, and balancing a prong on the angled UGF is even worse unless she changes her mind and chooses an evenly-spaced number of prongs that's not a multiple of 4... Getting Canera/DBL to balance 8 evenly spaced prongs on the UGFs proper was a f'n giant headache!
3. Sadly, 6 evenly spaced prongs doesn't help cover both blue inclusions either! They're annoyingly *just* asymmetric!
4. The little red guy is nicely hidden black on black up close, w/ the mains obstructing to black, but of course IRL they're rarely going to be dark like that, and I'm guessing it'd be visible at reasonably close inspection IRL. If that's the case visible under table is a no-go for me.
5. I wouldn't have IDJ make the new head. Their prongs sorta scare me, they're so tiny and pointed *and* they're cast - I wouldn't trust them to actually grip the stone, let alone grip it in a difficult configuration like on the UGF meets.

All in all I gotta say I'd feel a lot better if WF or GOG was looking at the stone rather than IDJ or JA, maybe it's not fair but I do trust their opinions a lot more, especially since this is a difficult sort of stone to evaluate - eyeclean, whether the inclusions can be reasonably pronged, whether the light return is what she's looking for... She definitely needs to see it in-person before having it set."

Second message from Yssie:

"Yeah, okay, just saw the last set of pics - it's a no go for me.
What do you think?
Size difference is significant..."

 

[diamondseeker2006]

There aren't many people that have the knowledge that Yssie, does, and that's why I was really waiting for her reply to come to my own conclusions. I had doubts about the stone from the images, but if she had said it was okay, I would have happily concurred. But under the circumstances, she brought up additional issues such as problems with the prongs covering inclusions that I think are extremely important. So because I trust Yssie's judgment, I would definitely pass on this stone. There are better ones out there!

 

[pinkprashu]

Thanks Yssie and DS for your thoughts. I value your comments and thoughts a lot. I wish Yssie weighed in a little sooner because I decided to go ahead and get the loose stone to see if I like it in person and will take it to an appraiser if I feel like it is worthy. I will not settle for it if that is not what I want and I made that clear to Yekutiel and he said he is more than happy to send it to GCAL to get the analysis done as he feels like it is a great stone. I also am planning to switch the head to have 6 or 8 prongs not 4 and I don't fully understand everything that Yssie said but if I do like the stone in person, how do I go about setting it? I have quest jewelers in virginia that I worked with before and I know they have a good bench so I can take it to them if I really like the stone.

I will get it tomorrow and I will try to post pictures then and we can go from there. It is not encouraging that you both don't prefer the stone

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think she is saying that there is no way to cover all the inclusions with prongs because they are not spaced right to do so. I don't see any reason to send it to GCAL when the idealscope and ASET images were pretty clear. I am sure it isn't a bad diamond. In fact, it is one of the better ones. But it doesn't measure up to an ACA or any expert selection stone that I have seen. And I don't think it is as good as the stones from GOG, either, if they are eyeclean. If size is your most important factor, then it might be worth keeping.

 

[pinkprashu]

I think she is saying that there is no way to cover all the inclusions with prongs because they are not spaced right to do so. I don't see any reason to send it to GCAL when the idealscope and ASET images were pretty clear. I am sure it isn't a bad diamond. In fact, it is one of the better ones. But it doesn't measure up to an ACA or any expert selection stone that I have seen. And I don't think it is as good as the stones from GOG, either, if they are eyeclean. If size is your most important factor, then it might be worth keeping.

DS, what does Yssie mean by ""Yeah, okay, just saw the last set of pics - it's a no go for me.
What do you think?
Size difference is significant...""

I don't understand why she said 'No go' is it because of the size difference and if so why? what did she see in the last pictures?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think she is saying that there is no way to cover all the inclusions with prongs because they are not spaced right to do so. I don't see any reason to send it to GCAL when the idealscope and ASET images were pretty clear. I am sure it isn't a bad diamond. In fact, it is one of the better ones. But it doesn't measure up to an ACA or any expert selection stone that I have seen. And I don't think it is as good as the stones from GOG, either, if they are eyeclean. If size is your most important factor, then it might be worth keeping.

DS, what does Yssie mean by ""Yeah, okay, just saw the last set of pics - it's a no go for me.
What do you think?
Size difference is significant...""

I don't understand why she said 'No go' is it because of the size difference and if so why? what did she see in the last pictures?

She was saying that due to the last idealscope and ASET images, she would reject the stone (along with her previously expressed concerns, I assume). Those images confirmed a ring of leakage in the center of the stone.

She just commented that the size difference between the 1.3 and 2.6 was significant as an observation.

 

[04diamond<3]

Thanks Yssie and DS for your thoughts. I value your comments and thoughts a lot. I wish Yssie weighed in a little sooner because I decided to go ahead and get the loose stone to see if I like it in person and will take it to an appraiser if I feel like it is worthy. I will not settle for it if that is not what I want and I made that clear to Yekutiel and he said he is more than happy to send it to GCAL to get the analysis done as he feels like it is a great stone. I also am planning to switch the head to have 6 or 8 prongs not 4 and I don't fully understand everything that Yssie said but if I do like the stone in person, how do I go about setting it? I have quest jewelers in virginia that I worked with before and I know they have a good bench so I can take it to them if I really like the stone.

I will get it tomorrow and I will try to post pictures then and we can go from there. It is not encouraging that you both don't prefer the stone

Pinkprashu - this is ALL that matters!!! Your opinion. You've heard everyone elses and this is YOUR stone. You have proof that the stone is beautiful in the pictures and from Yeukitel (who would absolutely not sell you anything less than beautiful and if he thought it was crap he would have been completely honest and told you). YOU need to decide for yourself if you like or hate the stone. I hope you do love it, I and others think it looks great. Looking forward to your pictures and what YOU think of it.

 

[Laila619]

I think it's a very nice diamond, and the size is really great!