please help me time sensitive... (deposit ASAP) Can you please tell me if this a good stone?

[sparklebling123]

I am hoping you can help me and promptly . I have a stone my jewelry has ordered for me. I need to put a deposit ASAP. I’ve read and researched as much as I can, but still don’t know if this is a good stone (I’m feeling information overload). I’ve been assured it’s beautiful. Can you please take a look and give me your opinion? help me put my mind at ease. I would greatly appreciate it

HCA: 1.9

Video
https://d6z2uq3gvx7kk.cloudfront.net/videos/5177242/5177242.html

Gia report:
6214667656

ROUND BRILLIANT​

Measurements	8.09 - 8.14 x 5.03 mm
Carat Weight	2.07 carat
Colour Grade	E
Clarity Grade	SI1
Cut Grade	Excellent

PROPORTIONS​

Depth	62.0%
Table	58%
Crown Angle	36.0°
Crown Height	15.5%
Pavilion Angle	40.6°
Pavilion Depth	43.0%
Star Length	50%
Lower Half	80%
Girdle	Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet	None

 

[DejaWiz]

I don't see anything of huge concern - the inclusions under the table appear small, so this is probably an eye-clean choice.

Report states "clouds, pinpoints, and surface graining are not shown", which may not be of concern if they are so insignificant that they didn't want to waste ink on the plot map.

However, be vigilant: as long as your jeweler can guarantee in writing (such as email) that there is a ZERO percent chance with any clouding, haziness/milkiness, or any other problems/inclusions that would diminish transparency and inhibit light return, then it should be good.

 

[sparklebling123]

I don't see anything of huge concern - the inclusions under the table appear small, so this is probably an eye-clean choice.

Report states "clouds, pinpoints, and surface graining are not shown", which may not be of concern if they are so insignificant that they didn't want to waste ink on the plot map.

However, be vigilant: as long as your jeweler can guarantee in writing (such as email) that there is a ZERO percent chance with any clouding, haziness/milkiness, or any other problems/inclusions that would diminish transparency and inhibit light return, then it should be good.

thank you thank you so much DejaWiz; I made sure and asked a million times regarding the clouding, haziness/milkiness, as I know strong fluorescence can sometimes cause this. I have been assured there is none; as well the jeweler just confirmed he spoke with the cutter directly to ensure the stone is as he good as he thinks it is. He said he has "zero" concerns.

do you think you could comment on this? I played the video and paused it. (I'll insert a picture) where the arrows are it's darker, is this a concern? or just contrast which is good??

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[DejaWiz]

thank you thank you so much DejaWiz; I made sure and asked a million times regarding the clouding, haziness/milkiness, as I know strong fluorescence can sometimes cause this. I have been assured there is none; as well the jeweler just confirmed he spoke with the cutter directly to ensure the stone is as he good as he thinks it is. He said he has "zero" concerns.

do you think you could comment on this? I played the video and paused it. (I'll insert a picture) where the arrows are it's darker, is this a concern? or just contrast which is good??

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Unfortunately, it's hard to make any definitive conclusion from that style of video.
Here's a GIA article about fluorescence that you can check out:

Is Diamond Fluorescence Good or Bad?

What is diamond fluorescence? Should you buy (or not buy) a diamond because of it? GIA sheds some light on this often misunderstood phenomenon.

4cs.gia.edu

 

[lovedogs]

I also don't have any major concerns based on the video.

 

[jBright]

Hi! I ran the GIA # through rare carat’s database: and received a few more details that may be of service to more experienced pricescopers!

1. Very strong florescence - could this be an issue w an E colored stone?

2. There’s an “etch channel” on the diamond - no clue what this means but rare carat has it as a no no

3. and it says the fair price should be around $19,780 - so hope you’re not paying much more than this!

for as little as it’s worth - my untrained eyes thinks it’s beautiful

 

[sparklebling123]

I also don't have any major concerns based on the video.

thank you
I appreciate you taking the time to help me.

 

[sparklebling123]

Hi! I ran the GIA # through rare carat’s database: and received a few more details that may be of service to more experienced pricescopers!

1. Very strong florescence - could this be an issue w an E colored stone?

2. There’s an “etch channel” on the diamond - no clue what this means but rare carat has it as a no no

3. and it says the fair price should be around $19,780 - so hope you’re not paying much more than this!

for as little as it’s worth - my untrained eyes thinks it’s beautiful

you're so kind thank you for your time!

1. they told me it wasn't an issue and wouldn't affect the stone negatively

2. I didn't know what that was either, I googled it and apparently if it's not on the pavilion we're good? and if the stone is SI 1+ its ok???

3.the price you found that is for USD? If so, then yes I am getting a more than fair deal

 

[sparklebling123]

Unfortunately, it's hard to make any definitive conclusion from that style of video.
Here's a GIA article about fluorescence that you can check out:

Is Diamond Fluorescence Good or Bad?

What is diamond fluorescence? Should you buy (or not buy) a diamond because of it? GIA sheds some light on this often misunderstood phenomenon.

4cs.gia.edu

thank you

 

[DejaWiz]

Hi! I ran the GIA # through rare carat’s database: and received a few more details that may be of service to more experienced pricescopers!

1. Very strong florescence - could this be an issue w an E colored stone?

2. There’s an “etch channel” on the diamond - no clue what this means but rare carat has it as a no no

3. and it says the fair price should be around $19,780 - so hope you’re not paying much more than this!

for as little as it’s worth - my untrained eyes thinks it’s beautiful

1. Maybe. Some people are more sensitive to it than others.
2. The etch channel on this one appears extremely minor and doesn't bore very far in at all: it's just on the outer rim/girdle at the 11:30-12:00 position in the video.
3. That price may be based on online vendors that don't house their own inventory nor have the amount of overhead as a B&M shop. It also doesn't tell us if the price is based on a 30 to 40 back bulk sale outfit or a 15 to 25 back quality shop.

 

[sparklebling123]

1. Maybe. Some people are more sensitive to it than others.
2. The etch channel on this one appears extremely minor and doesn't bore very far in at all: it's just on the outer rim/girdle at the 11:30-12:00 position in the video.
3. That price may be based on online vendors that don't house their own inventory nor have the amount of overhead as a B&M shop. It also doesn't tell us if the price is based on a 30 to 40 back bulk sale outfit or a 15 to 25 back quality shop.

sorry DejaWiz,
so would you say the the $19,780 fair price is a low estimate and likely it would cost more? or the opposite?

 

[DejaWiz]

sorry DejaWiz,
so would you say the the $19,780 fair price is a low estimate and likely it would cost more? or the opposite?

Well, either, really.
Depends on the operating circumstances of the selling dealer and what the quality of goods are that they usually target and buy from the cut house/distributor/broker.
It's impossible to give an absolute answer without knowing the intricacies of their business model...which likely wouldn't be shared, anyway.

 

[MollyMalone]

1. Maybe. Some people are more sensitive to it than others.
2. The etch channel on this one appears extremely minor and doesn't bore very far in at all: it's just on the outer rim/girdle at the 11:30-12:00 position in the video.
3. That price may be based on online vendors that don't house their own inventory nor have the amount of overhead as a B&M shop. It also doesn't tell us if the price is based on a 30 to 40 back bulk sale outfit or a 15 to 25 back quality shop.

Well, the plotting diagram shows 6 etch channels -the teensy gray squares outlined in red at the very edge.

GIA - Report Check

www.gia.edu

 

[sparklebling123]

Well, the plotting diagram shows 6 etch channels -the teensy gray squares outlined in red at the very edge.

GIA - Report Check

www.gia.edu

is this concerning to you?

 

[DejaWiz]

Well, the plotting diagram shows 6 etch channels -the teensy gray squares outlined in red at the very edge.

GIA - Report Check

www.gia.edu

Could be worse:

 

[flyingpig]

First, never ever put a deposit.
Second, it is potentially hazy.
Avoid.

 

[MollyMalone]

I don't feel I have the expertise to confidently give an opinion you should "take to the bank" re a cluster of etched channels like that, @sparklebling123

I'm tagging Trade members @Karl_K , @Texas Leaguer , @Rockdiamond , and @Wink to see if they can offer a seasoned opinion about etched channel clusters.

P.S. Unlike @flyingpig , I don't think it's at all odd that your jeweler is asking for a deposit on a stone that he is "calling in" -- provided that the deposit does not bind you to purchasing the diamond; i.e., the deposit will be refunded if you decide not to buy the stone after you've had the opportunity to see it in person.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi everyone!
I would have no concerns regarding the etching channels on a GIA graded SI1….. especially given how many there are. More is actually better in this case because they have to be really insignificant.
Very Strong Blue is another story. That could very well be an issue. Or not.
But if it is, it could really only be determined in person ( in some cases )
That’s one reason for the huge discounts on VSB Diamonds.
Make sure you examine the diamond under multiple lighting sources- sunlight being one them.

 

[Rockdiamond]

P.S. Unlike @flyingpig , I don't think it's at all odd that your jeweler is asking for a deposit on a stone that he is "calling in" -- provided that the deposit does not bind you to purchasing the diamond; i.e., the deposit will be refunded if you decide not to buy the stone after you've had the opportunity to see it in person

I agree 100% on this point. Ironically, we’ve built our business by attracting people who would have otherwise gone to local jewelers…… but I have a lot of respect and admiration for the ones who’ve weathered this storm.
I’d also expect to pay a bit more for the privilege of working with someone face to face who is working to earn your business.

 

[LLJsmom]

Do you have a return policy? For an SI1, I would want one, no matter what the jeweler said. I have no problem paying a deposit as long as I can get it back if I don't want it.

 

[sparklebling123]

Hi everyone!
I would have no concerns regarding the etching channels on a GIA graded SI1….. especially given how many there are. More is actually better in this case because they have to be really insignificant.
Very Strong Blue is another story. That could very well be an issue. Or not.
But if it is, it could really only be determined in person ( in some cases )
That’s one reason for the huge discounts on VSB Diamonds.
Make sure you examine the diamond under multiple lighting sources- sunlight being one them.

thank you for your opinion. I will get to examine the stone in person once it arrives and I will be sure to view it under multiple lighting sources.

 

[sparklebling123]

I agree 100% on this point. Ironically, we’ve built our business by attracting people who would have otherwise gone to local jewelers…… but I have a lot of respect and admiration for the ones who’ve weathered this storm.
I’d also expect to pay a bit more for the privilege of working with someone face to face who is working to earn your business.

thank you. I should add I've worked with this jeweler on many occasions. Firstly, when my husband had them do my custom engagement ring, and then later for a wedding band and a trellis ring. This time around it's an upgrade to my engagement ring Each time they have been very accommodating, patient and produced beautiful pieces. I do trust them. But of course, spending such a substantial amount and having more knowledge this time around I wanted to have more opinions and make a more informed decision.
I appreciate everyone's input thank you so much everyone!

 

[sparklebling123]

Do you have a return policy? For an SI1, I would want one, no matter what the jeweler said. I have no problem paying a deposit as long as I can get it back if I don't want it.

I do not know about a return policy; but I just did inquire if I would be able to get my deposit back or toward another stone if when this stone arrived & I did not like it.
I do know though from experience (as this jeweler has made many pieces for me) they strive to make you happy and work with you to ensure you are satisfied. So I am hoping their is some kinda fall back if this stone doesn't work out.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I am very surprised no one else hasn't mentioned this, but with a 36 crown angle and 40.6 pavilion angle, I would not buy this stone without an ASET image. It may have some leakage in the center. That means the light return may not be optimal. This is not something you can see in a video.

I do like fluorescence but I have never seen very strong blue. I would have to see the stone in the sun. Clouds and pinpoints aren't a great combo with the VSB fluorescence because it could make the stone hazy looking. Just be sure you take your time prior to committing to this stone.

 

[sparklebling123]

I am very surprised no one else hasn't mentioned this, but with a 36 crown angle and 40.6 pavilion angle, I would not buy this stone without an ASET image. It may have some leakage in the center. That means the light return may not be optimal. This is not something you can see in a video.

I do like fluorescence but I have never seen very strong blue. I would have to see the stone in the sun. Clouds and pinpoints aren't a great combo with the VSB fluorescence because it could make the stone hazy looking. Just be sure you take your time prior to committing to this stone.

thank you for reply
I have asked for a ASET & idealscope just waiting...

 

[lovedogs]

I think a deposit is reasonable as long as you would get it back in full if you decided you didn't like the stone (as noted previously).

 

[Karl_K]

The proportions can work well together and with 80% gia number lowers its very likely fine.
The rest imho is too much to do a good analysis online.
If you have a 100% return policy going over the stone in person with your jeweler is not a terrible idea.
View it in as many light conditions as possible.

 

[sparklebling123]

The proportions can work well together and with 80% gia number lowers its very likely fine.
The rest imho is too much to do a good analysis online.
If you have a 100% return policy going over the stone in person with your jeweler is not a terrible idea.
View it in as many light conditions as possible.

Thank you @Karl_K for your input I appreciate it. Will do! I will view it in person in various light conditions.

 

[DejaWiz]

Recommend you also view it as both a loose stone and in a mock-up setting under the various lighting conditions.

 

[sparklebling123]

Recommend you also view it as both a loose stone and in a mock-up setting under the various lighting conditions.

I will, thanks for the suggestion