Price this stone

[wolfpak]

Hi,

I have here is a 3.64 Ct, light orange diamond oval cut. Now i have been comparing this diamond with others on different websites that offer and sell coloured diamond however i can't find anything that is similar to this one so if any experts can tell me what you might think this is worth that would be much appreciated and also this is the only picture i have so sorry about the quality.

 

[chrono]

It looks opaque instead of transparent and the staining is likely to decrease its value as well.

 

[AN0NYM0US]

Well it is heavily included. I'd guess according to that picture I3 clarity. Have you sent the stone to a lab to be graded? Who's calling it light Orange? I do see Orange, but also see yellow and brown. If it were a GIA light orange it would be worth more than a GIA light brownish yellow orange. It is large, so that does help some. If it were me I'd expect less than $1000/ct.

 

[T L]

Well it is heavily included. I'd guess according to that picture I3 clarity. Have you sent the stone to a lab to be graded? Who's calling it light Orange? I do see Orange, but also see yellow and brown. If it were a GIA light orange it would be worth more than a GIA light brownish yellow orange. It is large, so that does help some. If it were me I'd expect less than $1000/ct.

I wouldn't pay $1000 for the whole stone. Although it is large, it's a very opaque stone, and not worth very much. A stone is only worth what someone would pay for it, and if you tried reselling it to any jeweler, I highly doubt you would get a buyer. Most jewelers prefer stones with no distracting clarity issues, let alone a semi-opaque stone.

 

[JewelFreak]

Agree with the above. I don't think you'd find a knowledgeable buyer for it. A lot of brown in the coloring. The large table shows the lack of clarity especially clearly. From the photo I don't think I'd even have guessed it was a diamond.

--- Laurie

 

[colorchange]

From the photo I don't think I'd even have guessed it was a diamond.
--- Laurie

Indeed. Looks like a "rutilated" topaz on the photo.
I wouldn't buy or sell that so can't give a price though.

 

[eastjavaman]

No friendly comment I suppose, but I could not agree more.

 

[smitcompton]

Hi,

Chrono called , I think, the middle of the diamond "staining". If this true and the outer edges are somewhat orangy, i would look under a microscope to see if the staining went all the way through. In other words could the top layer be "sanded" down to uncover a more clear layer. Rough diamonds look cloudy to me, so i would check a bit further. Not very attractive this way.


Annette

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi Wolfpak,
Welcome to PS!
As others have said, the photo seems to tell a story...the stone seems opaque, which is generally not desirable.

Furthermore: GIA does not issue a grade of "Light orange"- so besides the obvious dullness of the stone, the grade itself is very questionable.

 

[wolfpak]

Thanks for all your info, on further information the supplier has given me a price of $700 plus $700 for a GIA certificate which is optional
but now i have read all your comments and i think i will pass and i will look elsewhere for a quality and decent coloured diamond.

p.s. would it be ok if send you more pics of coloured diamond for you to judge?

 

[chrono]

p.s. would it be ok if send you more pics of coloured diamond for you to judge?

We are here to ogle lots of coloured stones so send away!

A few key things for FCDs:
1. Make sure it is transparent, ie see-through.
2. Make sure the colouration is even, not blotchy.
3. Avoid inclusions that are black or a colour that stands out from the rest of the diamond.

 

[pinkjewel]

In addition to what Chrono said I would only buy FCDs with a GIA report which will tell you if it's a natural colored diamond and what color they are grading it to be. The only time I would consider a FCD without a GIA report is if it is teeny,tiny and I totally trust the vendor I'm buying it from.
And, yes, post lots of pictures- we love looking at FCDs on here!! Is there something in particular you're looking for?

 

[wolfpak]

some are round cut and others are rose cut diamonds you will notice the differences can you please tell me what you think of them
more pics are coming.

 

[chrono]

Are the blue green ones natural? They remind me of the irradiated type. The pink and purple melees are also unusually strongly coloured considering their small size. The rose cut white ones are clarity challenged. What are your plans for all these melees?

 

[SB621]

FYI I was under the impression that a report from GIA costs roughly $100 per carat. I don't tknow why they would have told you $700 unless it is different for fancy diamonds.

As far as the other pictures. I think the rose cuts look like moonstones with horrible clarity issues. The other FCD's all looked enchanced in someway shape or form.

Excuse my bluntess but what are you trying to do here? Most ppl collect stones for personal use or projects. It seems you are looking at these for investment perhaps?! Is so I would run fast and far in the other direction. Investing in diamonds or gemstones is never a very good idea.

 

[wolfpak]

Are the blue green ones natural? They remind me of the irradiated type. The pink and purple melees are also unusually strongly coloured considering their small size. The rose cut white ones are clarity challenged. What are your plans for all these melees?

the blue/green diamonds are enhanced and i think the purple/pink are also enhanced
regarding the rose cut that is what i am interested in and basically i uploaded these pics so
i can get thoughts of your ideas and others whether or not i should pursue buying/selling
rose cut diamonds but now im still undecided

 

[wolfpak]

FYI I was under the impression that a report from GIA costs roughly $100 per carat. I don't tknow why they would have told you $700 unless it is different for fancy diamonds.

As far as the other pictures. I think the rose cuts look like moonstones with horrible clarity issues. The other FCD's all looked enchanced in someway shape or form.

Excuse my bluntess but what are you trying to do here? Most ppl collect stones for personal use or projects. It seems you are looking at these for investment perhaps?! Is so I would run fast and far in the other direction. Investing in diamonds or gemstones is never a very good idea.

i wouldn't know how much GIA would charge per carat but thanks for pointing that out
and regarding about the investment you're right that was my intention but since you have good knowledge
in this industry i think i might just collect them and later propose a project as i am very keen to purchase
the purple/pink diamonds as i don't see them very often if im not mistaken the 2nd rarest colour after red diamonds
can someone please clarify that as i might be wrong

 

[chrono]

I am sorry to say that treated coloured diamonds are not in much demand and are also priced accordingly. Collectors shy away from treated FCDs like the plague.

 

[pinkjewel]

FYI I was under the impression that a report from GIA costs roughly $100 per carat. I don't tknow why they would have told you $700 unless it is different for fancy diamonds.

As far as the other pictures. I think the rose cuts look like moonstones with horrible clarity issues. The other FCD's all looked enchanced in someway shape or form.

Excuse my bluntess but what are you trying to do here? Most ppl collect stones for personal use or projects. It seems you are looking at these for investment perhaps?! Is so I would run fast and far in the other direction. Investing in diamonds or gemstones is never a very good idea.

i wouldn't know how much GIA would charge per carat but thanks for pointing that out
and regarding about the investment you're right that was my intention but since you have good knowledge
in this industry i think i might just collect them and later propose a project as i am very keen to purchase
the purple/pink diamonds as i don't see them very often if im not mistaken the 2nd rarest colour after red diamonds
can someone please clarify that as i might be wrong

treated purple/ pink diamonds are not rare. You cannot compare a rare color of a natural untreated FCD to a color enhanced diamond. Save your money, do a lot more reading and research, and then you'll know better what you want.

 

[SB621]

FYI I was under the impression that a report from GIA costs roughly $100 per carat. I don't tknow why they would have told you $700 unless it is different for fancy diamonds.

As far as the other pictures. I think the rose cuts look like moonstones with horrible clarity issues. The other FCD's all looked enchanced in someway shape or form.

Excuse my bluntess but what are you trying to do here? Most ppl collect stones for personal use or projects. It seems you are looking at these for investment perhaps?! Is so I would run fast and far in the other direction. Investing in diamonds or gemstones is never a very good idea.

i wouldn't know how much GIA would charge per carat but thanks for pointing that out
and regarding about the investment you're right that was my intention but since you have good knowledge
in this industry i think i might just collect them and later propose a project as i am very keen to purchase
the purple/pink diamonds as i don't see them very often if im not mistaken the 2nd rarest colour after red diamonds
can someone please clarify that as i might be wrong

I have several concerns in regards to everything you have posted. Please take it as good learning advise:
-Any lab report be it GIA, EGL or AGL all have pricing on their website. A simple google search would have told you this. If you want to invest in diamonds you need to do major legwork. This is a total red flag that you never double checked the price and took the vendors word.
-You stated enhanced diamonds are rare. Acutually no they are not. Once again a google search would have told you this. It would have pointed you to 50+ sites on ebay where you can buy a parcel starting at some crazy low price hoping to snare ppl who dont' know better.
-Besides not understanding enhancements the ones you are posting have horrible clarity, I now completely understand where the term liquid spit is in reference too. These diamonds are not in demand. By investing into them I think it is a big waste of money. By purchasing them to use for projects down the road well I still don't get why you would. I would personally save it for when you find something actually worth purchasing. Something that might actually HOLD value over time.
-Finally if you truly wish to invest in diamonds then realize you probably won't make ANY money over a short period time. They are a luxury good that depreciate similar to a car, as soon as you drive it off the lot or walk out of the store. People on the pre-loved forum sell loose diamonds for typically 20% off what they paid and that is generous sometimes. If you have to sell your diamonds for any reason you can expect to loose at least 30%. Obviously that is not always the case. There are some who do make money but have spent years researching, just dumb luck or watch the market obessively for deals. Kenny is one of those ppl who come to mind if you want to look at PS'ers who follow FCD's.

Your #1 problem is you are leaping in without any knowledge base. PS is an excellent resourse. Start by reading the FCD guide https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/fancy-color-diamonds,, and check out some of the threads above that talk about treatments. On Rocktalk which deals strictly with diamonds you can learn about the cut and clarity (some things that most CS's don't care about is color is king on this forum).

Good luck and happy reading!

 

[colorchange]

in regards to everything you have posted. Please take it as good learning advise:

I'll add some more, as I have seen so many “investors” (most at a stage when they try to sell their gems and realize they are just not worth what they thought) that I think I should state a few things:
• Investing in gems is a business for professionals. Many dealers keep aside the gems they think will gain value. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes awfully wrong (think tanzanite). At least they know what they are doing.
• If you are not a professional, the best you can do is hire one, and pay him by the time spent (instead of margin). I know of one guy who does that, but considering the opacity of the market, you need to really trust that person.
• Diamonds are not rare, they are just hard to extract, but there is plenty of supply in the ground. You can trust the mining techniques to improve, and prices to drop in real terms in the long term. If you want to invest in diamonds, you’d rather buy a diamond mining stock (like Gem Diamonds, quoted in London, which has good corporate practices or Petra diamonds). Not sure I’d recommend, but at least you’ll do a lot better than buy buying diamonds, especially cut ones, and especially one by one. And you’ll still have a good liquidity.
• If you want coloured gems, try to measure how much you’d lose when selling back right away. Try to target 10-15% (you just can’t do better than that). That means assuming a 5% gain a year, you’re still a few years off from making back your money. Gems dealers operate at margins that range from 20% to 80% (means they sell from +25% to +400% of bought price). Find the good ones and negotiate a bulk buy if you can (many of the “good” ones will decline as they don’t have so much margin, neither so much stock). Remembers that gems sell over long time periods. Liquidating a gem collection over a short timespan means a loss (unlike stocks).

 

[wolfpak]

Thanks guys for all your help i have taken on board all your comments and now i can decide on what to do and that is not to get in the diamond industry it's too much of a headache and i already have a big migraine.

 

[JewelFreak]

That'll do it to you!

 

[pregcurious]

Wolfpack, if you ever want to buy colored diamonds for fun, Leibish is a very reputable online vendor that has a large stock of diamonds, with good quality pictures, and sometimes even a video:

http://www.fancydiamonds.net/

You can look up Leibish in the search engine here to read reviews on them.

 

[SB621]

Thanks guys for all your help i have taken on board all your comments and now i can decide on what to do and that is not to get in the diamond industry it's too much of a headache and i already have a big migraine.

Best decision you have made so far! And I agree checking out reputable vendors and if you see something you like (that comes with a GIA report for colored diamonds) then go for it- especially if the color appeals to you. But don't buy thinking you can hold on to it and then make $$ later on down the road.