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Rock Comparison... GIA 1.59 VS2G vs. AGS 1.528 VS2H

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19cquest

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I feel that this is a new topic because I''m deciding to look at other stones.
Brief Summary: I have in hand the 1.528 VS2H but feel it may be too yellow.

I''m going to go look at another stone downtown San Diego...

I''m going to be taking the potential stone and my ring to an independent appraiser to verify that the new stone is at least of the same cut quality.

But before I do so, wanted to get everyone''s opinion on its cert.


Here is the stone:
http://www2.gia.edu/reportcheck/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.showReportVerification&reportno=6107801036&weight=1.59

Does anyone see any problems with this from a cert. only perspective?


And here is mine:
http://agslab.com/reportTypes/pldqr.php?StoneID=1040381680019&Weight=1.528&D=1

The price for the 1.59 VS2G is $13k, My 1.528 VS2H was $11.9k.

Need some experts!

Lorelei, need your help on this one!


This post is a product of my thread:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/just-got-my-ring-bg-h-a-w-ring-concerned.136902/

 
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May I ask if the GIA stone vendor has an upgrade policy? if so, is it a reasonable policy?
 
numbers look good.
 
He states that he will match all Brian Gavin Policies and write it on my invoice.
 
Date: 2/23/2010 8:13:28 PM
Author: 19cquest
He states that he will match all Brian Gavin Policies and write it on my invoice.
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Hearts image, ASET and/or IdealScope ?

Your GIA stone:

Light Return Excellent
Fire Very Good
Scintillation Very Good
Spread Very Good

Total Visual Performance 1.8 - Excellent
within TIC range
 
No I don''t have any of that... just the cert and stone as of now... I''m hoping the appraiser can give me more insight on the performance and cut... but unfortunately I''m not going to be able to view the stone and talk to the appraiser until Thursday...

Where did you get that performance information? Is very good good enough? Would my AGS stone be more of an exc exc exc on this scale?
 
off topic - so i take it you are returning the BGD stone? how smooth is the return process for you (no frills/questions asked)?
 
If the GIA stone checks out to be as well cut as the AGS then yes I will be returning the BGD stone. I saw the VS2G today and did notice the difference in color between them. Although, mine was in the setting and the other was loose.

No frills from BG... simple return policy... 15 days to return it with USPS insured and they will (in my case) remove the diamond from the setting and ship the setting back. They refund me the purchasing price of the stone minus the return shipping fee. That''s all.

Finally found the HCA information that you were talking about... apparently here is the AGS stone:

Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good

Total Visual Performance 1.0 - Excellent, within TIC range...

I don''t know if there is a big difference between 1.0 and 1.8 because this is the first time I''ve heard of HCA...

SpareMyWallet, do you think that this may be a less quality stone despite the better color (my whole issue, in the first place) and not worth the extra $1100?
 
The HCA is only a rejection tool to weed out bad performer, score below 2 are worthy of being call in/request for IS image, etc... Do not use it as a selection tool.
 
Hi 19, I am here! Sorry I didn't get to this sooner for you!

Ok, thats a good plan you have in getting the two stones compared by an appraiser, the new one does have potential but a skilled evaluation of the cut is going to be needed - I doubt it meets the BG stone for cut quality but the cut could be excellent and the stone sufficiently beautiful. I take it BG didn't have a higher colour stone of similar cut quality?

Also as Stone says, the HCA is used for rejection not selection, all it does is tell you if a diamond scores below 2 and is worth further evaluation.
 
Oh alright, thanks for the info on the HCA.

BG does have a G H&A stone but it''s slightly larger and 5k more...well above my budget tbh.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040363310022

Since I was originally also looking at a Whiteflash ES stone I decided to see what they had in a G as well...
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_details.aspx?idno=2231141
Less 5% for PS member... it would come out to about $575 more than the stone I''m currently looking at.

But, this GIA stone has the potential to be just as nice as that ES stone, right? And honestly, the 1k more for this GIA stone is already pushing my budget but if it''s in fact better and will be a mind clean colour stone, than I''m willing to stretch to it...
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Whiteflash stone:
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good

TVP 1.5

Ugh...
 
Date: 2/24/2010 10:43:14 AM
Author: 19cquest
Oh alright, thanks for the info on the HCA.

BG does have a G H&A stone but it's slightly larger and 5k more...well above my budget tbh.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/diamond-detail/?product_id=AGS-1040363310022

Since I was originally also looking at a Whiteflash ES stone I decided to see what they had in a G as well...
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_details.aspx?idno=2231141
Less 5% for PS member... it would come out to about $575 more than the stone I'm currently looking at.

But, this GIA stone has the potential to be just as nice as that ES stone, right? And honestly, the 1k more for this GIA stone is already pushing my budget but if it's in fact better and will be a mind clean colour stone, than I'm willing to stretch to it...
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It might be but the angles of the WF diamond are definitely ' safer' than the 34.5/41 combo, without images we won't know how effective those angles are or whether there will be any light leakage unfortunately, but if you like it and take it to an appraiser with your existing stone to compare the cut qualities then that will be extremely helpful.
 
I see...
Just looked at the cert of the WF and not sure if I like its plot... lots of feathers and needles. But then again it''s not in the table.

The GIA stone has one tiny crystal in the bottom right of first quadrant, but not quiet the middle... only noticeable with a loupe but fairly dark speck with the loupe.

I hope this is the most drawn out decision I''ll ever have to make in my life.. haha
 
Date: 2/24/2010 11:19:57 AM
Author: 19cquest
I see...
Just looked at the cert of the WF and not sure if I like its plot... lots of feathers and needles. But then again it''s not in the table.

The GIA stone has one tiny crystal in the bottom right of first quadrant, but not quiet the middle... only noticeable with a loupe but fairly dark speck with the loupe.

I hope this is the most drawn out decision I''ll ever have to make in my life.. haha
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Can''t go by the plot, there shouldn''t be an issue with a hand selected stone which is VS clarity but it never hurts to check.

Its a big decision and you are right to ask questions, take your time and think your way through it carefully!
 

Alright, I''ve e-mailed Whiteflash to get their comments concerning the plot.


ALso, is it the way the photo is taken or isthe BG stone just that much crisper than the WF one?


As suggested, I called Jared''s and asked about their peerless... apparently they have a 1.5ct VS2E Peerless for 14k... What kind of cut would the peerless have compared with all of these stones?



WF vs BG.JPG
 
peerless is AGS0 cut grade, not necessary H&A.
 
All the vendors use different photo set ups, it is not an indication of the acutal appearance of the diamonds.

To me, yes, $1100 is totally worth it to go up in color, *if* you think that the G is white enough for you.

You have seen both diamonds in person? Have you walked around with them? I agree that an appraisal is important, but since you have the diamonds, you can also look at them yourself
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Date: 2/24/2010 2:13:13 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
peerless is AGS0 cut grade, not necessary H&A.
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So that means that it is not necessarily better than the GIA stone, but most likely? Doesn''t matter, I can''t afford the extra 2k from my original stone I was just looking at peerless to view the colors of other ideal cut stones...
 
Date: 2/24/2010 2:48:49 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
All the vendors use different photo set ups, it is not an indication of the acutal appearance of the diamonds.

To me, yes, $1100 is totally worth it to go up in color, *if* you think that the G is white enough for you.

You have seen both diamonds in person? Have you walked around with them? I agree that an appraisal is important, but since you have the diamonds, you can also look at them yourself
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Yes I have seen both in person and side by side... I do notice a difference in color, but again that''s with my stone already in the setting (make a difference?)

No, I did not walk around with them because it was already night time by the time I got there and therefore couldn''t compare them in the daylight.

Hopefully I''m able to do that tomorrow!
 
I also know that his price is $7500/ct = $11925

So he''s not really marking me up that much... I heard somewhere that the markup is usually 10-30% depending on the stone but I am not sure.

At $13000 tax free he''s marking me up 9% from his cost...

Oh, and this $11925 was shown to me on the database "Polygon"... Does this all seem legitimite how I am explaining it or does that "Polygon" price not necessarily represent what he''s paying for it?
 
Date: 2/24/2010 7:04:46 PM
Author: 19cquest



Date: 2/24/2010 2:48:49 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
All the vendors use different photo set ups, it is not an indication of the acutal appearance of the diamonds.

To me, yes, $1100 is totally worth it to go up in color, *if* you think that the G is white enough for you.

You have seen both diamonds in person? Have you walked around with them? I agree that an appraisal is important, but since you have the diamonds, you can also look at them yourself
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Yes I have seen both in person and side by side... I do notice a difference in color, but again that's with my stone already in the setting (make a difference?)

No, I did not walk around with them because it was already night time by the time I got there and therefore couldn't compare them in the daylight.

Hopefully I'm able to do that tomorrow!
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Not really. If anything you will see more color in a loose diamond because you can see the pavilion better.
 
Date: 2/24/2010 7:09:41 PM
Author: 19cquest
I also know that his price is $7500/ct = $11925

So he''s not really marking me up that much... I heard somewhere that the markup is usually 10-30% depending on the stone but I am not sure.

At $13000 tax free he''s marking me up 9% from his cost...

Oh, and this $11925 was shown to me on the database ''Polygon''... Does this all seem legitimite how I am explaining it or does that ''Polygon'' price not necessarily represent what he''s paying for it?
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Unless this is a situation where the diamond is being shipped out of state (where you should still pay taxes to your state)... I''ve said it before, but... WARNING RED FLAG. Although I too in my past fell prey to the allure of the no tax "deal", this is really a red flag for consumers. Usually no taxes means no receipt, since the dealer cannot have a paper trail for the transaction. Unfortunately, what thay means is that the consumer is left vulnerable if anything goes wrong in the transaction. All you have is your word regarding the price you paid or any other important aspects of the sales contract or the diamond''s specs. For the price difference, this safety is worth its weight in gold. I cannot tell you how many times people come on here and kick themselves because they did not cover their tushy with a jeweler who used such practices. As one of our esteemed experts, Oldminer, here on PS once said, "If he is willing to cheat the government, who says he is not willing the cheat you?" Seriously. This isa BIG purchase both in money and meaning. Make sure that your rights as a consumer are covered in your purchase.
 
I am an out of state residence... He will be shipping the stone to me in Seattle once I send him payment (after I return BG stone) if I decide to purchase the stone.

Thank you for the concern, though.
 
I decided I''m going with the GIA ex. cut 1.59 ct vs2G... Thank you all for your suggestions and opinions!
 
Good luck! I hope you love it when it''s set!
 
Good luck. :)
 
Thanks!

I really have no doubts about this stone... Looked at it through an ASET, Idealscope, and H&A and it's beautiful with no light leakage. Appraiser said it's one of the best GIA ex. cuts he's seen and may very will fit within AGS 000 Criteria. Plus the color is very noticeably whiter even with the one color grade difference. Although, it was also explained to me that sometimes AGS is a bit more lenient on color and an AGS (H) may be graded a GIA (I). That being said, he still thought my stone would be a GIA (H)... I'm excited with this upgrade
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