Scared Boyfriend, Help on an Emerald Diamond

[age_597]

Hi there,

Apologies if this is in the wrong place, I’m new around here!

I am looking to buy a natural emerald diamond for my girlfriend for an engagement ring, with the below information.

Budget - $8500 USD
Shape - Emerald
Size - 1.5 carat
Ratio - 1.4+
Colour - G or better
Clarity - VS1 or better
Polish/Symmetry - Excellent
Fluorescence - None

Is this possible or am I looking for something too good for my budget? I have spoken to a local jeweler and they have a diamond in this price range with the above specs in VS2 with some marks on the diamond.

Cheers,
Adrian

 

[AV_]

VS2 could be nice, and I would dare relax the Ex on both polish & symmetry, provided the stone is attractive which does not depend on those details [I am starting to have doubts at GIA 'Good' on the finish grades, but accept them in principle]. Fluorescence is quite beautiful & worth seeing.

All in all, do not miss options for mere formalities...

 

[age_597]

VS2 could be nice, and I would dare relax the Ex on both polish & symmetry, provided the stone is attractive which does not depend on those details [I am starting to have doubts at GIA 'Good' on the finish grades, but accept them in principle]. Fluorescence is quite beautiful & worth seeing.

All in all, do not miss options for mere formalities...

Thank you! I am happy to relax the Ex on polish and symmetry if you think that’s an option. My issue is that I struggle to know what a good stone looks like, they are all a bit samesy to my untrained eye!

What’s the best way to understand if the stone is a nice one to the eye?

In regards to Fluorescence I have been previously told to stay away from it. In your words why do/don’t people like it?
Thanks!

 

[AV_]

ctd.

I am finding a few beautiful options - eg. WWW brilliant & not small for weight & D, but this is my choice WWW - the cut is memorable, IMHO (superb! - to me), & the clarity grade tells me the respective dot only exists under a good magnifying glass.

Re. fluorescence, I am not sure why any amount of it is scary - perhaps because it is not a property often seen in beautiful things (wild flowers!); it is also said that strong fluorescence is sometimes associated with lesser transparency/haze - however, these 'some times' are not too common, and diamonds without fluorescence may as well have this clarity problem. It is worth seeing & the best way is indirect daylight; less than GIA 'Strong' is subtle at best, 'Very Strong' blue in a colorless diamond looks spectacular, like true tint.

tuppence

 

[OoohShiny]

Thank you! I am happy to relax the Ex on polish and symmetry if you think that’s an option. My issue is that I struggle to know what a good stone looks like, they are all a bit samesy to my untrained eye!

In my (non-expert) opinion, ignore all the numbers and go with what looks good to your eyes when looking at non-round cuts.

Very few ECs and Asschers jump out at me from the various listings - really great ones are hard to find!

 

[Austina]

Just out of interest @age_597, what ring size is your future fiancées finger, and has she specifically mentioned that she wants an emerald cut? I’m tagging @Matthews1127 to see if she can help out, as she has a beautiful emerald cut ER.

 

[tyty333]

So besides the obvious here are some of the things I look for in a nice emerald cut

- the main thing is that the steps light up/go dark all the way down into the center (a lot of them dont flash down in the center)
Ex...flashes all the way to the center

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Ex... center not flashing

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

- not too many steps on or off at the same time (results in an overall dark stone at some angles then a very bright stone at different angles)
Ex too many dark steps on at same time

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

You want a happy medium of some off/some on

- Steps approximately same size
Ex steps not same size

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

- pay attention to the LxW more so than the carat weight because they can vary at the same carat weight
If you are getting a smaller stone make sure there is a good reason (better cut, prettier stone, better light return etc.)

Ex bigger 1.51 (7.5x5.54)

1.51 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.51 carat F color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Ex smaller 1.51 (7.23x5.51)

1.51 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.51 carat F color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Edit (I did not check the ratio on any of these....I just went with what was appealing as for as LxW)
These are the only two I found that look decent at JA in the 1.5+ range in your specs

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

1.51 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.51 carat F color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

(not lighting up as well in the center, steps are slightly different size)


Let me check BN to see what they have as far as stones.

Edit...I had to drop down into the 1.3 range to stay in your budget
(sameish size as JA stones)
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...NDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&catalogView=true

1.30-Carat Emerald Cut Diamond | Blue Nile

www.bluenile.com

 

[diamondsR4eVR]

Oh how exciting OP! I love ECs! I’ll leave it up to the experts to steer you in the right direction while I live vicariously thru your stone shopping.

 

[Matthews1127]

Just out of interest @age_597, what ring size is your future fiancées finger, and has she specifically mentioned that she wants an emerald cut? I’m tagging @Matthews1127 to see if she can help out, as she has a beautiful emerald cut ER.

Thank you, @Austina! You’re so sweet!
Welcome to PS, @age_597!! We are happy to join you on your journey to find your “forever” stone.
I must say, I’m excited that you chose an EC for her center stone.
There is much to be said to get you on track in seeking out your “perfect” step cut....cuz they are tricky, and a LOT of this process cuts down to preferences. Mainly HER preferences, since she will be wearing it.
I do not wish to discourage you from climbing down the rabbit hole of step cut diamonds. Not at all.
It just needs to be asked and confirmed: are EC’s her dream cut diamond, or are you thinking outside the box (no pun intended)?

You can answer that question in a response.
First, let me say that you cannot evaluate a step cut (fancy cut) diamond with certification and specifications, alone. There is no secret formula; it’s how the cut, angles and percentages meet and work together within the body of the stone that makes all the difference.
There are table sizes, facet sizes, l x w ratios, number of facets (crown and pavilion), facet pattern, among other properties to consider, when choosing an EC.
It’s much more complicated (and FUN, IMO) than selecting a super ideal round.
The specs on the cert may look appealing on paper, but IRL, the stone may be dull, dark, or show more unfavorable qualities.
On the other hand, the specs may be less than ideal on paper, but the stone may be absolutely stunning, IRL. Which is why these main factors play a heavy role in your selection process:
1. ASET/IS images
2. Video in multiple lighting environments, and with different color backgrounds
3. Up close and personal naked eye evaluation.

#3 is tricky,when purchasing online. So.......
Make sure you choose a vendor with a great return policy so you give yourself time to take advantage of the up close and personal, IRL experience. You will also want to choose a vendor with an outstanding upgrade policy.

Eliminating EC’s in the SI range is, on paper, understandable. But you’re LIMITING yourself, greatly. Yes....the RECOMMENDED clarity for EC’s is VS+ because step cuts are unforgiving pertaining to inclusions. However, my beloved EC is a “flawless” SI2!!!

Here is my thread devoted to my beautiful EC. I think you’ll find that, unless you’re looking at it under a microscope, you can’t tell she has an (undeserved) clarity grade of SI2. I’ve compared her to VS graded EC’s, with similar properties, and she is far less flawed. DH got an outstanding deal on my stone, and she takes my breath away, every time I look at my finger. She even made JOTW!!!

#JOTW - Meet "Uisce"

Good Morning, PSers!!! After months of scrolling (and trolling), and drooling, and sharing, I finally decided to start my own thread to introduce my Engagement Ring (and my Wedding Band-after all, they ARE BFF's)!! Recently, I posted a thread about how to "name" a diamond. After several hours of...

www.pricescope.com

Please let us know if you have any questions pertaining to anything I posted, or in general.
I do hope the EC is your intended’s top choice! They are REMARKABLE!

I’m excited to help you in any way I can to find your “unicorn”!!
♥

 

[Karl_K]

I havent checked prices so not sure on your budget but based on my experience hunting them for clients if you look over a list of suitable candidates the ones near the lower end of the prices range are there for a reason.
Ther are a lot of vs2 ec's on the market that have been on the market for years, getting a new report every so often that have across the room eye visible inclusions. There are a few vs1's with glaring inclusions on the lists also.
Then every once in a while a eyeclean si shows up but they get snagged up quickly.
My opinion someone was calling in every EC for screening.

VG/VG polish symmetry is fine with EC cuts to expand the options. For the right stone depending on which facets are effected I would even consider lower.
There are many older EC stones out there with G polish/sym where one or more of the windmill facets had issues that has absolutely 0 impact on appearance.

 

[Matthews1127]

I havent checked prices so not sure on your budget but based on my experience hunting them for clients if you look over a list of suitable candidates the ones near the lower end of the prices range are there for a reason.
Ther are a lot of vs2 ec's on the market that have been on the market for years, getting a new report every so often that have across the room eye visible inclusions. There are a few vs1's with glaring inclusions on the lists also.
Then every once in a while a eyeclean si shows up but they get snagged up quickly.
My opinion someone was calling in every EC for screening.

VG/VG polish symmetry is fine with EC cuts to expand the options. For the right stone depending on which facets are effected I would even consider lower.
There are many older EC stones out there with G polish/sym where one or more of the windmill facets had issues that has absolutely 0 impact on appearance.

@age_597,
You will benefit greatly from @Karl_K ’s expert advice, and experience. I have learned a pool of information from him pertaining to step cuts!
Follow his lead!

 

[canuk-gal]

So besides the obvious here are some of the things I look for in a nice emerald cut

- the main thing is that the steps light up/go dark all the way down into the center (a lot of them dont flash down in the center)
Ex...flashes all the way to the center

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Ex... center not flashing

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

- not too many steps on or off at the same time (results in an overall dark stone at some angles then a very bright stone at different angles)
Ex too many dark steps on at same time

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

You want a happy medium of some off/some on

- Steps approximately same size
Ex steps not same size

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

- pay attention to the LxW more so than the carat weight because they can vary at the same carat weight
If you are getting a smaller stone make sure there is a good reason (better cut, prettier stone, better light return etc.)

Ex bigger 1.51 (7.5x5.54)

1.51 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.51 carat F color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Ex smaller 1.51 (7.23x5.51)

1.51 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.51 carat F color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Edit (I did not check the ratio on any of these....I just went with what was appealing as for as LxW)
These are the only two I found that look decent at JA in the 1.5+ range in your specs

1.50 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.5 carat G color vs1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

1.51 Carat emerald diamond

This emerald cut 1.51 carat F color vvs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

(not lighting up as well in the center, steps are slightly different size)


Let me check BN to see what they have as far as stones.

Edit...I had to drop down into the 1.3 range to stay in your budget
(sameish size as JA stones)
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...NDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&catalogView=true

1.30-Carat Emerald Cut Diamond | Blue Nile

www.bluenile.com

always so helpful @tyty333 !!!

 

[age_597]

Just out of interest @age_597, what ring size is your future fiancées finger, and has she specifically mentioned that she wants an emerald cut? I’m tagging @Matthews1127 to see if she can help out, as she has a beautiful emerald cut ER.

I am not too sure unfortunately, there aren’t overly thin, I would say whatever a middle range finger is. Not sure that helps at all....!

 

[arkieb1]

For that budget I'd buy this polish so it looks brand new and then you are done;

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[Matthews1127]

For that budget I'd buy this polish so it looks brand new and then you are done;

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This is SPECTACULAR!!

 

[KKJohnson]

If you don’t mind someone else doing the legwork for you I would contact IDJ or Parks. But remember with step cuts it matters how the stone appeals to you and they are not all the same

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[LinSF]

For that budget I'd buy this polish so it looks brand new and then you are done;

CVB Custom Platinum Diamond Ring -REDUCED | Loupe Troop

loupetroop.com

1000% agree!!! What a stunning engagement ring this would make!

 

[xxxxxx]

For that budget I'd buy this polish so it looks brand new and then you are done;

CVB Custom Platinum Diamond Ring -REDUCED | Loupe Troop

loupetroop.com

It’s really a beautiful ring and the diamond is gorgeous. But the setting is to a specific taste... I personally wouldn’t like the setting. So definitely take your girlfriends taste into consideration. But who knows maybe she loves intricate and ornate things

 

[Austina]

I am not too sure unfortunately, there aren’t overly thin, I would say whatever a middle range finger is. Not sure that helps at all....!

I only ask, because different cuts of stone face up differently, so here’s what a 1.5ct emerald cut and 1.5ct round would look like on a size 61/2 finger, UK M, which is an average size.

 

[Matthews1127]

@age_597, do you have an idea of how you wish to set the stone? This is also a factor to consider, when selecting your diamond.

 

[Matthews1127]

Some possible contenders for consideration:

1.55 Carat G VS1 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified Affinity Cut - D44576437

1.55 carat, Emerald, G Color, VS1 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Natural Diamond, D44576437

www.adiamor.com

1.51 Carat F VS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 6204708823 Affinity Cut - D44300957

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat H VVS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 2205937996 Affinity Cut - D44986154

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat H VVS1 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 5202872667 Excellent Cut - D44783775

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat E VVS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 2203811843 Affinity Cut - D44590695

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat E VS1 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 6207888816 Affinity Cut - D44860962

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat E VVS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 5202908644 Affinity Cut - D44881665

www.adiamor.com

 

[Matthews1127]

This is an excellent example of Brian Gavin’s Signature Ideal Cut EC.
It is lighter in carat weight than you are looking for, and is graded at VVS1.
BGD does not have a Signature EC in your size range, available, on their site....BUT, that doesn’t mean they can’t get you one to match your criteria, close to your budget range.
I’d shoot between 1.40-1.50ct, VS2-VS1 clarity, at G-I color, and see if they can help you.
Ideal cut EC’s are extremely white, even at lower color grades, and there is no better CUT for a modern EC on the market than BGD.
Even if you go smaller, they face up large, and bright because of their CUT. It makes a world of difference.
You pay a premium for these stones because they are so rare.

1.170 F VVS2 Signature Emerald

Buy diamonds online - AGS graded 1.170 carat F VVS2 Emerald super ideal cut Brian Gavin Emerald Diamond. Lifetime Upgrade Policy!

www.briangavindiamonds.com

The same can be said for Jonathan’s Ideal Cut Vintage EC’s:

Diamonds

A listing of all available diamonds at August Vintage Inc. personally vetted by Rhino.

www.distinctivegem.com

It all depends on taste and preference.
Each of these vendors is a gem in the industry, and will work with you to the best of their capability.

 

[elizat]

For that budget I'd buy this polish so it looks brand new and then you are done;

CVB Custom Platinum Diamond Ring -REDUCED | Loupe Troop

loupetroop.com

That's a fantastic idea.

 

[age_597]

Thank you, @Austina! You’re so sweet!
Welcome to PS, @age_597!! We are happy to join you on your journey to find your “forever” stone.
I must say, I’m excited that you chose an EC for her center stone.
There is much to be said to get you on track in seeking out your “perfect” step cut....cuz they are tricky, and a LOT of this process cuts down to preferences. Mainly HER preferences, since she will be wearing it.
I do not wish to discourage you from climbing down the rabbit hole of step cut diamonds. Not at all.
It just needs to be asked and confirmed: are EC’s her dream cut diamond, or are you thinking outside the box (no pun intended)?

You can answer that question in a response.
First, let me say that you cannot evaluate a step cut (fancy cut) diamond with certification and specifications, alone. There is no secret formula; it’s how the cut, angles and percentages meet and work together within the body of the stone that makes all the difference.
There are table sizes, facet sizes, l x w ratios, number of facets (crown and pavilion), facet pattern, among other properties to consider, when choosing an EC.
It’s much more complicated (and FUN, IMO) than selecting a super ideal round.
The specs on the cert may look appealing on paper, but IRL, the stone may be dull, dark, or show more unfavorable qualities.
On the other hand, the specs may be less than ideal on paper, but the stone may be absolutely stunning, IRL. Which is why these main factors play a heavy role in your selection process:
1. ASET/IS images
2. Video in multiple lighting environments, and with different color backgrounds
3. Up close and personal naked eye evaluation.

#3 is tricky,when purchasing online. So.......
Make sure you choose a vendor with a great return policy so you give yourself time to take advantage of the up close and personal, IRL experience. You will also want to choose a vendor with an outstanding upgrade policy.

Eliminating EC’s in the SI range is, on paper, understandable. But you’re LIMITING yourself, greatly. Yes....the RECOMMENDED clarity for EC’s is VS+ because step cuts are unforgiving pertaining to inclusions. However, my beloved EC is a “flawless” SI2!!!

Here is my thread devoted to my beautiful EC. I think you’ll find that, unless you’re looking at it under a microscope, you can’t tell she has an (undeserved) clarity grade of SI2. I’ve compared her to VS graded EC’s, with similar properties, and she is far less flawed. DH got an outstanding deal on my stone, and she takes my breath away, every time I look at my finger. She even made JOTW!!!

#JOTW - Meet "Uisce"

Good Morning, PSers!!! After months of scrolling (and trolling), and drooling, and sharing, I finally decided to start my own thread to introduce my Engagement Ring (and my Wedding Band-after all, they ARE BFF's)!! Recently, I posted a thread about how to "name" a diamond. After several hours of...

www.pricescope.com

Please let us know if you have any questions pertaining to anything I posted, or in general.
I do hope the EC is your intended’s top choice! They are REMARKABLE!

I’m excited to help you in any way I can to find your “unicorn”!!
♥

Thank you so much for the time you took to go through this and the detail in the stone. There is so much helpful information here.

My fiance's sister suggested an EC stone because there were a few on her pintrest that she had pinned, so I am confident this is right.

The specs that I shared are honestly not set in 'stone' but that was just what I had been told to consider. I would honestly be happy for someone to show me the best diamond around 1.5 carat which is around $8.5kUS. I am based in Australia so the exchange rate is massively effecting my affordability unfortunately, or else I could probably get something close to $10k.

The ct size is because this is what her sister felt was a nice size stone and I tend to trust her because they are triplets so have that weird connection where they know what each other want.

I have been looking for quite a while and heard so many different things, and they seem to make it more confusing than I expected!

Attached is the certificate and video for a stone a local jeweler had found for me and agreed to do for around $9.5k USD including the white gold band with diamonds on the band.

If you think it's a decent stone I am happy to go ahead, I just don't want to be ripped off/get the best possible value in the stone for my partner. There is also a nice story that my father bought my mum's ring from this same jeweler and my brother for his wife too, so if there is only a few hundred dollars I could save or a very slightly better diamond then I am happy to stick with this.

I would just hate to find out later that it isn't very good without knowing much.

Thank you!

 

[age_597]

@age_597, do you have an idea of how you wish to set the stone? This is also a factor to consider, when selecting your diamond.

Great question, I just mentioned it in a previous question, but in a white gold band with diamonds

 

[age_597]

Some possible contenders for consideration:

1.55 Carat G VS1 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified Affinity Cut - D44576437

1.55 carat, Emerald, G Color, VS1 clarity, GIA Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Natural Diamond, D44576437

www.adiamor.com

1.51 Carat F VS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 6204708823 Affinity Cut - D44300957

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat H VVS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 2205937996 Affinity Cut - D44986154

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat H VVS1 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 5202872667 Excellent Cut - D44783775

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat E VVS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 2203811843 Affinity Cut - D44590695

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat E VS1 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 6207888816 Affinity Cut - D44860962

www.adiamor.com

1.50 Carat E VVS2 Emerald Natural Diamond GIA Certified 5202908644 Affinity Cut - D44881665

www.adiamor.com

Thanks Matthew! Are these lab created diamonds? I was hoping to find a natural stone.

 

[xxxxxx]

@age_597 She has a few EC among other diamond cuts on her Pinterest board or ONLY ECs?

EC are so elegant and sophisticated - but they do sparkle less (something my best frienwho wished for an EC realized only down the road and now regrets a tiny bit that she didn’t go for a round). So I would be really sure before buying the diamond (especially at a vendor where you can’t upgrade etc.)

 

[age_597]

@age_597 She has a few EC among other diamond cuts on her Pinterest board or ONLY ECs?

EC are so elegant and sophisticated - but they do sparkle less (something my best frienwho wished for an EC realized only down the road and now regrets a tiny bit that she didn’t go for a round). So I would be really sure before buying the diamond (especially at a vendor where you can’t upgrade etc.)

Great question - only emeralds I believe but let me double check.

 

[Matthews1127]

Thank you so much for the time you took to go through this and the detail in the stone. There is so much helpful information here.

My fiance's sister suggested an EC stone because there were a few on her pintrest that she had pinned, so I am confident this is right.

The specs that I shared are honestly not set in 'stone' but that was just what I had been told to consider. I would honestly be happy for someone to show me the best diamond around 1.5 carat which is around $8.5kUS. I am based in Australia so the exchange rate is massively effecting my affordability unfortunately, or else I could probably get something close to $10k.

The ct size is because this is what her sister felt was a nice size stone and I tend to trust her because they are triplets so have that weird connection where they know what each other want.

I have been looking for quite a while and heard so many different things, and they seem to make it more confusing than I expected!

Attached is the certificate and video for a stone a local jeweler had found for me and agreed to do for around $9.5k USD including the white gold band with diamonds on the band.

If you think it's a decent stone I am happy to go ahead, I just don't want to be ripped off/get the best possible value in the stone for my partner. There is also a nice story that my father bought my mum's ring from this same jeweler and my brother for his wife too, so if there is only a few hundred dollars I could save or a very slightly better diamond then I am happy to stick with this.

I would just hate to find out later that it isn't very good without knowing much.

Thank you!

This stone is not an emerald cut diamond. It’s a criss cut or tycoon cut.
Did the jeweler explain to you the difference?

 

[Matthews1127]

Thanks Matthew! Are these lab created diamonds? I was hoping to find a natural stone.

These are all natural diamonds.