Second opinion on diamond 0.46ct GIA

[gpu]

Hello,

I would kindly ask a second opinion for a diamond that will be used in engagement ring.
What has been proposed to me is the following:

GIA 7478923608 (E - IF - XXX)
Here the report

HCA tools reports

Light Return:	Very Good
Fire:	Very Good
Scintillation:	Very Good
Spread:	Excellent
HCA Score :	1.9 - Excellent - within TIC range

Is this a good one?
Shall I choose something different?

Thank you very much to everyone

 

[gpu]

To complete:
the text valuation is
"Should sparkle beautifully and looks bigger than usual for it's carat weight. Low HCA scores and bigger sized diamonds can appear dark when viewed close up; but these stones can be great for earrings and pendants."

Another question: would it be (significantly) better or (significantly) worse than:

GIA 7478923608 (E - IF - XXX)
With HCA score of

Light Return:	Excellent
Fire:	Excellent
Scintillation:	Very Good
Spread:	Very Good
HCA Score :	1.7 - Excellent - within FIC range

"Should sparkle beautifully and looks the usual size for its carat weight."

Thank you again

 

[tyty333]

Can you put the stone on hold and provide the link? We need to see pics/videos to evaluate.

 

[gpu]

Can you put the stone on hold and provide the link? We need to see pics/videos to evaluate.

I don't have pics nor links, what kind of photo do you need? I can ask but I need to be very specific since it's not an online seller

 

[DejaWiz]

Hello and welcome to PriceScope, gpu!
The first one has some points of cut slop in the pavilion...I would avoid it.




The second one is marginally better, but I'm not a fan of the steeper crown angle and I seeing evidence of a bit of cut slop in the pavilion, as well.




Relax the clarity to VS1 to get just as clean to the unaided eyes as any VVS or FL/IF...that will open up the floodgates in regards to selection to pick from.

Diamond Clarity: Everything You Need To Know

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We are more than happy to help you search and make some recommendations: what is the min carat, color, and clarity that you'd like to target and what is your budget cap for just the loose diamond? What sellers have you looked at?

 

[gpu]

Hello and welcome to PriceScope, @gpu !
The first one has some points of cut slop in the pavilion...I would avoid it.




The second one is marginally better, but I'm not a fan of the steeper crown angle and I seeing evidence of a bit of cut slop in the pavilion, as well.

Relax the clarity to VS1 to get just as clean to the unaided eyes as any VVS or FL/IF...that will open up the floodgates in regards to selection to pick from.

Diamond Clarity: Everything You Need To Know

What is the best diamond clarity? Our extensive guide and interactive diamond clarity chart shows you everything you need to know.

www.pricescope.com

We are more than happy to help you search and make some recommendations: what is the min carat, color, and clarity that you'd like to target and what is your budget cap for just the loose diamond?

Hello, thank you very much.

What's the meaning of what you said? It won't sparkle a lot? I am a novice in this field

Caveat: I am based in Europe, switzerland to be precise.

Carat: between 0.4 and 0.5, not bigger if possible
Color: D or E only
Clarity: as high as possible (I was targeting only VVS1+)

Budget: roughly $4000

Thank you very much

 

[lovedogs]

Neither are great. I would find an alternative. Is there a cultural reason for needing such high clarity?

 

[gpu]

Neither are great. I would find an alternative. Is there a cultural reason for needing such high clarity?

Nope, I just heard it's one of the parameters that are more noticeable other than the cut quality and the budget isn't very tight so I wanted the best possible


EDIT: Sorry: I confused clarity with color. I just wanted the best possible due to little budget limitations

EDIT EDIT: I would have no idea where to buy except my jewerly store

EDIT EDIT EDIT: just to understand: are bad diamonds or just not the best/average? Just to understand how to handle with this

 

[DejaWiz]

Hello, thank you very much.

What's the meaning of what you said? It won't sparkle a lot? I am a novice in this field

Caveat: I am based in Europe, switzerland to be precise.

Carat: between 0.4 and 0.5, not bigger if possible
Color: D or E only
Clarity: as high as possible (I was targeting only VVS1+)

Budget: roughly $4000

Thank you very much

Check out 77diamonds.com - I believe they may have a location in Switzerland.

In the 0.4-0.5 carat range, here's a GIA report number to inquire about availability and pricing:
1475971352

 

[gpu]

Check out 77diamonds.com - I believe they may have a location in Switzerland.

In the 0.4-0.5 carat range, here's a GIA report number to inquire about availability and pricing:
1475971352

Thank you very much

Can you explain what's the difference with the one proposed to me? I am a novice and I really would like to know better.

The one proposed to me is just average or BAD?
And what's the meaning of "some points of cut slop in the pavilion"? Does it affect what?

Thank you very much
Best

 

[DejaWiz]

Thank you very much

Can you explain what's the difference with the one proposed to me? I am a novice and I really would like to know better.

The one proposed to me is just average or BAD?

Thank you very much
Best

It's a 60/60 style cut (when the table is wide at 60% at the same time that the overall depth is about 60%...60/60 can be fine, but they are tricky to get right. Due to the sloppy cutting of the pavilion facets and light leakage occurring, it is not a 60/60 that I would recommend to anyone.

 

[gpu]

It's a 60/60 style cut (when the table is wide at 60% at the same time that the overall depth is about 60%...60/60 can be fine, but they are tricky to get right. Due to the sloppy cutting of the pavilion facets and light leakage occurring, it is not a 60/60 that I would recommend to anyone.

Alright, I think I get it... partially.
So it will not sparkle?
Probably the seller will push with it, so, is this so much better and why? Like in real life scenario, it's very difficult to me to understand the topic.
So the one proposed to me is a 0 out of 10, 5 out of 10, 7 out of 10 or what?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to PUSH for it, but I don't get how bad it is (and how much the seller is biased)

And why any other 0.5ish carat with same proportions of yours but for example higher color/clarity won't fit it?
For example what about
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 7478955202 / 77diamonds code RBCPEJCJW5M7
0.47 D/FL XXX: GIA report 2448395881 / 77diamonds code RBPUIFSYT233AAF
0.44 D/IF XXX: GIA report 6472041666 / 77 diamonds code RBPUIFSKRHYQ6BC
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 5453995819 / 77 diamonds code RBCP4JV3NHSE
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 2477133280 / 77 diamonds code RBCPMRCJDRBJ

Thank you again

 

[DejaWiz]

Alright, I think I get it... partially.
So it will not sparkle?
Probably the seller will push with it, so, is this so much better and why? Like in real life scenario, it's very difficult to me to understand the topic.
So the one proposed to me is a 0 out of 10, 5 out of 10, 7 out of 10 or what?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to PUSH for it, but I don't get how bad it is (and how much the seller is biased)

And why any other 0.5ish carat with same proportions of yours but for example higher color/clarity won't fit it?
For example what about
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 7478955202 / 77diamonds code RBCPEJCJW5M7
0.47 D/FL XXX: GIA report 2448395881 / 77diamonds code RBPUIFSYT233AAF
0.44 D/IF XXX: GIA report 6472041666 / 77 diamonds code RBPUIFSKRHYQ6BC
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 5453995819 / 77 diamonds code RBCP4JV3NHSE


Thank you again

With the issues that it has, I'd give it a 5-6 out of 10.

Here is a great comparison video of real-world appearance of diamonds - one cut immaculately well and one not quite as good.

 

[gpu]

With the issues that it has, I'd give it a 5-6 out of 10.

Here is a great comparison video of real-world appearance of diamonds - one cut immaculately well and one not quite as good.

Thank you man, you are enlightening me
What about instead these?

Just to understand better

0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 7478955202 / 77diamonds code RBCPEJCJW5M7
0.47 D/FL XXX: GIA report 2448395881 / 77diamonds code RBPUIFSYT233AAF
0.44 D/IF XXX: GIA report 6472041666 / 77 diamonds code RBPUIFSKRHYQ6BC
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 5453995819 / 77 diamonds code RBCP4JV3NHSE
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 2477133280 / 77 diamonds code RBCPMRCJDRBJ

 

[Kim N]

Thank you man, you are enlightening me
What about instead these?

Just to understand better

0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 7478955202 / 77diamonds code RBCPEJCJW5M7
0.47 D/FL XXX: GIA report 2448395881 / 77diamonds code RBPUIFSYT233AAF
0.44 D/IF XXX: GIA report 6472041666 / 77 diamonds code RBPUIFSKRHYQ6BC
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 5453995819 / 77 diamonds code RBCP4JV3NHSE
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 2477133280 / 77 diamonds code RBCPMRCJDRBJ

The last two have potential. I couldn't find a video of the 0.47, but the first and third ones have an unevenly cut pavilion and potential light leakage.

 

[gpu]

The last two have potential. I couldn't find a video of the 0.47, but the first and third ones have an unevenly cut pavilion and potential light leakage.

Hey I know I am a pain in the a**, but may I ask for a vote on a scale of 10? For me it's the easiest

Let's say 10 is DejaWiz's one GIA 1475971352
5.5 is first one 7478923608

thank you!

 

[mayaINaU]

Hey I know I am a pain in the a**, but may I ask for a vote on a scale of 10? For me it's the easiest

Let's say 10 is DejaWiz's one GIA 1475971352
5.5 is first one 7478923608

thank you!

Are you open to buying online? Whiteflash or JannPaul would send to Switzerland and then you could get guaranteed and proven ideal light performance without having to closely analyze each stone yourself.

 

[Kim N]

Hey I know I am a pain in the a**, but may I ask for a vote on a scale of 10? For me it's the easiest

Let's say 10 is DejaWiz's one GIA 1475971352
5.5 is first one 7478923608

thank you!

I would probably give the last two 7.75 and would not consider the others.

 

[mayaINaU]

Hey I know I am a pain in the a**, but may I ask for a vote on a scale of 10? For me it's the easiest

Let's say 10 is DejaWiz's one GIA 1475971352
5.5 is first one 7478923608

thank you!

Example well-within your budget: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...lor-vvs2-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4498337

 

[DejaWiz]

Example well-within your budget: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...lor-vvs2-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4498337

Gorgeous option!
@gpu all Whiteflash ACA diamonds are custom cut to meet some of the strictest criteria that can possibly be put into practice for a diamond.
Here are some others with table width limited to 56% which should result in a slightly taller crown height...coupled with the extreme cut precision, the optical performance will be off the charts.
...I typically use similar criteria when searching for diamonds to recommend, but it gets tricky since almost all other diamond sellers do not go to the extent that sellers like Whiteflash provides, so finding diamonds at other sellers becomes a bit of a challenge.
These diamonds are not accidentally perfect...they are crafted by the best cutters on earth to be the best performing diamonds available to anyone, anywhere.

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[gpu]

Thank you very much!
0.51 is a bit too big I am afraid (will consider for sure if you say it's really worth it) - what about this one instead?

Diamond | 0.44 ct D IF A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4643649

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.44 carat D color IF clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4643649

www.whiteflash.com

How would you rate compared to the others (both the 0.51 and this one)?

 

[Kim N]

Thank you very much!
0.51 is a bit too big I am afraid (will consider for sure if you say it's really worth it) - what about this one instead?

Diamond | 0.44 ct D IF A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4643649

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.44 carat D color IF clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4643649

www.whiteflash.com

How would you rate compared to the others (both the 0.51 and this one)?

They are both fantastic. You can't go wrong with any of them, so I'd choose based on cost or color. Here's a third one to add to the mix. Any of these will be light years better than the ones you were initially considering.

Diamond | 0.45 ct E IF A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4629419

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.45 carat E color IF clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4629419

www.whiteflash.com

 

[gpu]

They are both fantastic. You can't go wrong with any of them, so I'd choose based on cost or color. Here's a third one to add to the mix. Any of these will be light years better than the ones you were initially considering.

Diamond | 0.45 ct E IF A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4629419

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.45 carat E color IF clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4629419

www.whiteflash.com

Even lots better than these two?
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 5453995819 / 77 diamonds code RBCP4JV3NHSE
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 2477133280 / 77 diamonds code RBCPMRCJDRBJ

Cost is not a problem, we are at 50% of my budget

 

[Kim N]

Even lots better than these two?
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 5453995819 / 77 diamonds code RBCP4JV3NHSE
0.46 D/IF XXX: GIA report 2477133280 / 77 diamonds code RBCPMRCJDRBJ

Cost is not a problem, we are at 50% of my budget

Loads better than those two.

 

[DejaWiz]

Thank you very much!
0.51 is a bit too big I am afraid (will consider for sure if you say it's really worth it) - what about this one instead?

Diamond | 0.44 ct D IF A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4643649

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.44 carat D color IF clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4643649

www.whiteflash.com

How would you rate compared to the others (both the 0.51 and this one)?

0.51 carat at 5.17mm versus 0.45 carat at 4.93mm is a barely noticeable difference to most people if the diamonds were sitting side by side.
Not trying to push you into a bigger diamond...just trying to help you learn so that you can make the best selection for yourself.
If we were to score these WF ACA diamonds on a scale of 10, then they would be 10.5-11

 

[gpu]

0.51 carat at 5.17mm versus 0.45 carat at 4.93mm is a barely noticeable difference to most people if the diamonds were sitting side by side.
Not trying to push you into a bigger diamond...just trying to help you learn so that you can make the best selection for yourself.
If we were to score these WF ACA diamonds on a scale of 10, then they would be 10.5-11

Great! Thank you very much

for non native speaker: what does WF ACA mean?

 

[mayaINaU]

Great! Thank you very much

for non native speaker: what does WF ACA mean?

I’m really happy for you! Whiteflash=WF and “A Cut Above”= ACA, Whiteflash’s branded super ideal cut. I think you’ll be really pleased, especially when you get a chance to look at them next to the average XXX cut that might be available in a store near you. I didn’t really get what all of the fuss was about, but I managed to buy a pair of ACAs for earrings, and they stand out!

 

[lovedogs]

Loads better than those two.

Agree!!!!!

 

[gpu]

Thank you very much to everyone,
after lots of thoughts I decided to go with WF diamonds.

I would like your final opinion between these (I am following your advice about not noticeability between 0.44 and 0.5):

Which would be the best between:
0.5 D VVS1 (But with clarity characteristic: cavity that I am worried about but seems to sparkle more than the next one, is it possible?) https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...vvs1-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4629417

0.44 D IF https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...r-if-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4643649

0.45 IF https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...r-if-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4629419

0.51 E VVS2 https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...lor-vvs2-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4498337



Do you see a clear winner between one these? Can you find anything better that maybe I didn't notice?

Thank you very much again

 

[gpu]

At the end I chose the 0.44 since was a good average size.

Thank you very much, kind community of pricescope