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glitterata said:
Would this description make you more or less likely to buy this ring? The seller sounds very motivated, anyway. Criss cuts, if anyone's looking for that.

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Cursed Vintage Art Deco Platinum Diamond Ring | eBay

This lovely ring has a complex combination of curses layered on it. In addition to the binding curse, it also has a financial losses curse layered on it, which causes the wearer to lose money even in situations which should be easily profitable.
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"This lovely ring has a complex combination of curses layered on it. The primary curse is a Binder that prevents the wearer from leaving the relationship or situation even if they desperately want to. In addition to the binding curse, it also has a financial losses curse layered on it, which causes the wearer to lose money even in situations which should be easily profitable. Finally, it has a joy block, which means it creates a shield around the wearer, preventing them from experiencing happiness even in the most euphoric situations.

This ring will berate the wearer and criticize every aspect of their life. Nothing will ever be enough for this ring. It is haunted by the ghost of a dissatisfied mother who took great pleasure in destroying her children’s relationships, and keeping them in her control through emotional and financial blackmail.

The perfect gift for a frenemy or if you want to punish someone close to you but don’t want them to be able to leave you.
The ring has requested a new owner and instructed us to sell it ASAP"
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I wonder if you can break the curses by pulling it apart. I'm not particularly superstitious, but this creeps me out a little. :eek-2:
 
lulu_ma said:
Can you get use a pic of the bottom of the stone? I just wonder if it's really an H color. Color will determine if it's a deal or not.
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I sort of feel the price is fair even if its more tinted, which I assume that it is, but of course having a reputable lab report would be much better.

@Tinytreasurers my e-ring diamond in my avatar is an American cut and you can read all about it in this thread. It is one of the latest old cuts, right before the transition to MRBs, and one of the most rare because the time period when it was cut was very very short and many were recut into modern MRBs because the proportions are similar enough that a recut would not lose much weight.

Dreamer_D said:
Yes I always said (thought) I wanted a three stone, yes I sold a diamond a year ago in part because it was too big, yes I am a changable creature... we all know the history! :lol:

But I had been saving to set my three stone and kept finding excuses not to do it. I couldn't decide on a setting, I couldn't decide whether I liked the big side stones or smaller side stones. Somehow I had a mental block about that project. And when I saw Demelza's huge OEC -- the first time I had the pleasure of seeing such a large and amazing diamond in person -- GAME OVER!! I wanted one too ;( InnaR said in my three stone thread that she thought I was a solitaire girl at heart. And I realized she is right. It just needs to be a really big solitaire :devil: Social norms be darned.

But I had also been wondering if maybe old cuts were not for me. I love so much about old cuts -- the chunkiness, the history, the uniqueness. But I cannot stand lazy central facets, leakage, hazy mush. I am OCD about cut!! My 7mm OEC is about as good as it gets in a traditional OEC and even that stone niggled at me in terms of optics. So I was considering getting an RB again!

And then yesterday I stumbled on a listing on ebay that made me stop in my tracks and gasp out loud! This is it! The holy grail, the one in a million cut! Just what I have been looking for! I made an offer, back and forth we went, seller shipped overnight, and I made a day long trip to pick it up today.

It is love at first sight!! :love: :love: :love: This diamond is perfect, all my dreams come true: Huge, white, perfect chunky optics, and a gorgeous setting. It is that rarest of rare cuts: a very symmetrical later European cut, what some call transitional. Like a chunkier, bolder, modern RB. The cutter who crafted this stone was a master. And it is *perfect* for me. Looks so much like Demelza's stone! And others I have admired on PS: jjc's, happy canary's, kennedy's.

So, may I introduce my 8.1mm later period European cut diamond, likely from the 1920s. Estimated G color, SI1 clarity with no under table inclusions, 1.9ct. In a supposedly authentic platinum octagonal-bezel prong-set mount.

I have named her "George" because I will love her, and kiss her, and squeeze her and never let her go.

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Dreamer_D said:
I sort of feel the price is fair even if its more tinted, which I assume that it is, but of course having a reputable lab report would be much better.

@Tinytreasurers my e-ring diamond in my avatar is an American cut and you can read all about it in this thread. It is one of the latest old cuts, right before the transition to MRBs, and one of the most rare because the time period when it was cut was very very short and many were recut into modern MRBs because the proportions are similar enough that a recut would not lose much weight.
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Hard to say without a cert. Take this certed retail comp as an example:

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1.5 CARAT CERTIFIED J SI1 OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND VINTAGE LOOSE NATURAL ESTATE

This stunning 1.50ct old European cut certified diamond has beautiful white color, a completely eye clean appearance, and dazzlingly bright sparkle! Cut by hand a lifetime ago during the 1920s - 1930s, this substantial vintage diamond is absolutely unique, guaranteed to be 100% conflict free...
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Even if this is a GIA L-price point is on par with the uncerted stone at $5995. I buy pieces with uncerted stones all the time, but for this price point a cert would be reassuring.
 
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lulu_ma said:
Hard to say without a cert. Take this certed retail comp as an example:

ivyandrose.com

1.5 CARAT CERTIFIED J SI1 OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND VINTAGE LOOSE NATURAL ESTATE

This stunning 1.50ct old European cut certified diamond has beautiful white color, a completely eye clean appearance, and dazzlingly bright sparkle! Cut by hand a lifetime ago during the 1920s - 1930s, this substantial vintage diamond is absolutely unique, guaranteed to be 100% conflict free...
ivyandrose.com ivyandrose.com

Even if this is a GIA L-price point is on par with the uncerted stone at $5995. I buy pieces with uncerted stones all the time, but for this price point a cert would be reassuring.
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Yeah it’s a totally good point!

We have had some interesting conversations on these boards about how to determine value of vintage/antique pieces. In the spirit of those conversations I’ll say this is a time when I would attach added value to the cut style on this one. I understand not everyone would make that value judgement. But this cut is so rare. I mean I’d need to see more photos to be 100% sure about this one, or see it with my eyes like OP has done, but this cut is just so rare and so spectacular. If I was looking I’d consider buying a nice version of this diamond cut without it needing to be a deal. I might even pay a small premium.

But obviously, others may disagree! Thus the hard-to-pin value of old treasures.
 
@newtojewels Ah that makes sense, thank you. I always wondered why I'd see two pieces and they'd look similar, but one would be more neon and the other more subdued. I'm a neon girl myself when it comes to jewels ;)2
 
Dreamer_D said:
Yeah it’s a totally good point!

We have had some interesting conversations on these boards about how to determine value of vintage/antique pieces. In the spirit of those conversations I’ll say this is a time when I would attach added value to the cut style on this one. I understand not everyone would make that value judgement. But this cut is so rare. I mean I’d need to see more photos to be 100% sure about this one, or see it with my eyes like OP has done, but this cut is just so rare and so spectacular. If I was looking I’d consider buying a nice version of this diamond cut without it needing to be a deal. I might even pay a small premium.

But obviously, others may disagree! Thus the hard-to-pin value of old treasures.
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Conceptually, I totally agree! I will pay more for a “rare” piece. When judging old cuts, cut preference 100% comes into play.

In this case, if the stone is actually say an NOP color then the premium would be quite high. But we don’t have this info bc the seller is grading the color-not a third party.

I *think* the OP was trying to get a sense if the stone was priced well. And we simply need more info to make that assessment.

ETA: Prices are all over place right now. There are definitely deals to be had especially in the MNOP color range. Some prices have me scratching my head-for instance there’s a 1 ct certed transitional listed for less than $2k!
 
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lulu_ma said:
Hard to say without a cert. Take this certed retail comp as an example:

ivyandrose.com

1.5 CARAT CERTIFIED J SI1 OLD EUROPEAN CUT DIAMOND VINTAGE LOOSE NATURAL ESTATE

This stunning 1.50ct old European cut certified diamond has beautiful white color, a completely eye clean appearance, and dazzlingly bright sparkle! Cut by hand a lifetime ago during the 1920s - 1930s, this substantial vintage diamond is absolutely unique, guaranteed to be 100% conflict free...
ivyandrose.com ivyandrose.com

Even if this is a GIA L-price point is on par with the uncerted stone at $5995. I buy pieces with uncerted stones all the time, but for this price point a cert would be reassuring.
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The pic in the appraisal doesn’t match the pic of the diamond. Is this typical for I&R?

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glitterata said:
Would this description make you more or less likely to buy this ring? The seller sounds very motivated, anyway. Criss cuts, if anyone's looking for that.

www.ebay.com

Cursed Vintage Art Deco Platinum Diamond Ring | eBay

This lovely ring has a complex combination of curses layered on it. In addition to the binding curse, it also has a financial losses curse layered on it, which causes the wearer to lose money even in situations which should be easily profitable.
www.ebay.com

"This lovely ring has a complex combination of curses layered on it. The primary curse is a Binder that prevents the wearer from leaving the relationship or situation even if they desperately want to. In addition to the binding curse, it also has a financial losses curse layered on it, which causes the wearer to lose money even in situations which should be easily profitable. Finally, it has a joy block, which means it creates a shield around the wearer, preventing them from experiencing happiness even in the most euphoric situations.

This ring will berate the wearer and criticize every aspect of their life. Nothing will ever be enough for this ring. It is haunted by the ghost of a dissatisfied mother who took great pleasure in destroying her children’s relationships, and keeping them in her control through emotional and financial blackmail.

The perfect gift for a frenemy or if you want to punish someone close to you but don’t want them to be able to leave you.
The ring has requested a new owner and instructed us to sell it ASAP"
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This is too funny. I suppose the ring has become bored with its current owner? "The ring has requested a new owner and instructed us to sell it ASAP"
 
kgizo said:
The pic in the appraisal doesn’t match the pic of the diamond. Is this typical for I&R?

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@kgizo I have no idea. I didn’t do a deep dive-I was just quickly looking for comps. Generally, I&R has competitive pricing. But the 1 ct I referenced has a GIA cert.
 
lulu_ma said:
Conceptually, I totally agree! I will pay more for a “rare” piece. When judging old cuts, cut preference 100% comes into play.

In this case, if the stone is actually say an NOP color then the premium would be quite high. But we don’t have this info bc the seller is grading the color-not a third party.

I *think* the OP was trying to get a sense if the stone was priced well. And we simply need more info to make that assessment.

ETA: Prices are all over place right now. There are definitely deals to be had especially in the MNOP color range. Some prices have me scratching my head-for instance there’s a 1 ct certed transitional listed for less than $2k!
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Yeah prices are wacky. And you are right. If the color is off by that much then not such a deal anymore. I’ve generally found random GGs are not that far off. Though my American cut was sold to me as a G color and it’s more like a KL. So who knows!
 
Tinytreasurers said:
Hey! So pretty new here, hoping this is okay to ask here. My local jeweler is awesome and knows I'm into Old euro cuts. I brought a piece into her appraised today and she showed me the following diamond. This photo is under 10x magnifying lens, plus has a good bit of dust on it (all the tiny white flecks).

She graded it (she's a certified Gia gemologist for what it's worth) at 1.57 carats, h color (but faces up very white), no fluorescents, and s12, not because of inclusions, but because the stone has some abrasions on the facets under magnification. She offered it at $5700, thoughts? I am looking to upgrade my engagement ring which is a 1/2 carat aaa ruby.
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This looks technically like a very finely cut American Cut, as noted by Dreamer. If it’s an H, that’s rarer.

The only caveat I’d mention is the worn facet junctions on the top of the crown. In the photo you can see the frosted lines (those are the worn facet junctions the vendor has mentioned - from daily wear/rough activities maybe?). I can see them possibly reflecting into the area around the culet. So you want to hold the stone and take it into various types of light to see if the worn facet junctions are something you can see, and if they bother you.

In close up photos they are obvious. In real life, I actually like worn facet junctions on an antique diamond because they accentuate and define the cut, kind of like an outline on the facets IMO.

However, I’ve never seen worn facet junctions on an American Cut, maybe because they are much newer than the really old diamonds I also have never seen facet junction wear just in one place (your’s seems to have it only on the top of the crown). It takes a lot to abrade a facet junction. I’m not even sure how it’s done!

The facet junction wear if it’s obvious without magnification should be contemplated in the price. I don’t think you can polish these out without completely changing the original cut, which looks very good to me (I wouldn’t re-polish this diamond but you COULD take the diamond to a very good cutter and see what a professional thinks about polishing the facet junctions, it might actually be less invasive than I assume but would add to the cost and risk).

Maybe start a new post so people can give you their thoughts. I think it’s a lovely diamond, and I’d like to see more photos and videos.
 
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lulu_ma said:
@kgizo I have no idea. I didn’t do a deep dive-I was just quickly looking for comps. Generally, I&R has competitive pricing. But the 1 ct I referenced has a GIA cert.
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Sorry for any confusion, I was asking in general - not calling you out specifically. There are a lot of I&R repeat customers on here so I wondered if they might have some insight about the appraisals, etc.
 
So appreciate the thoughtful feedback and discussion. Learning a lot and appreciate everyone's opinions.

I took more photos today! The jeweler is awesome and even took out her diamond color grading set so we could compare. I think it's closer to a J than and H for reference, definitely not moving into the K territory. The lighting inside the store was terrible but I took the stone outside to get some photos in indirect and direct light. In indirect light you can't see any of the abrasions but in direct light they are visible. IMG_7680.jpeg
 

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Also my husband and I were debating how in the world you cause some facet level abrasions! It's crazy! He thinks someone took a nail file to it lol. Who knows - maybe someone got this diamond from a mother in law they hated and decided to go to town on it?
 
Tinytreasurers said:
So appreciate the thoughtful feedback and discussion. Learning a lot and appreciate everyone's opinions.

I took more photos today! The jeweler is awesome and even took out her diamond color grading set so we could compare. I think it's closer to a J than and H for reference, definitely not moving into the K territory. The lighting inside the store was terrible but I took the stone outside to get some photos in indirect and direct light. In indirect light you can't see any of the abrasions but in direct light they are visible. IMG_7680.jpeg
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Looks like a fab size on your finger! Since the stone is a tad warmer than initially thought, is there any flexibility on the price?
 
So these aren’t great photos for seeing the facet pattern, but I’m a little concerned that the table is larger than might be ideal given the other proportions. It’s potentially causing some leakage around the periphery of the table. Did you get a video by chance? Or pictures in shade under a tree?

This area marked in yellow is where you might see issues. It would look like hazy or just “mushy” facets, not clear and distinct like you see everywhere else. Or darkness when the rest of the diamond is lit up. It might not be an issue but it’s what I would check for when considering the cut quality.
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newtojewels said:
Anyone looking for a chunky new band? I double checked the numbers this time! :lol:Chaumet, 18k yellow gold, size 7.75, 9.2mm wide, weighs 10.3 grams with 2.97 carats of cabochon sapphires for $995.


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lala646 said:
Someone snagged an incredible deal!
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A very belated report for another trr purchase, but here it comes: it's nice and weighty, I kept reaching for it to put in my stack. Bonus being signed by Chaumet Paris with full marks. Thank you @newtojewels for spotting this!
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cloud_less said:
A very belated report for another trr purchase, but here it comes: it's nice and weighty, I kept reaching for it to put in my stack. Bonus being signed by Chaumet Paris with full marks. Thank you @newtojewels for spotting this!
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Oh it looks fabulous on you! Congratulations!
 
Size 8, 14K vintage setting. Seller estimates can hold 6.5-7.5mm center stone. Good price given the gram weight and .5ct melee. And the seller sent an offer for $25 off, so the price is lightly flexible.
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1/2 ct Diamond fancy vintage 14K Gold Ring setting for 6.5mm+ gem, 5.3 Grs sz 8 | eBay

White gold and marked: 14k. Setting has Approx. 1/2 carat total weight. (24) Diamonds from 1.5mm to 3mm. The Diamonds are nice and bright.
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Gorgeous, wide 18k band, dated 1885!! Size 5, 7mm wide.
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Victorian 18 K Band Dated 1885 | eBay

<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Unpolished </p> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">18k stamped</p> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Engraved with kw 1885</p> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">3.8 grams</p> <p dir="ltr"...
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Lookinagain said:
Okay, you talked me into it :)
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So just an example of how bad the RR photos are, I expected this ring to be dull and dirty, but it really isn't. A bit banged up, but that's fine. I had thought I'd have DK add engraving as @Mreader mentioned, but now I'm not sure I will. I kind of like using it the way it is as a stacker.
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