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nicetry10023

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Hi all,

I've been reading old posts on PS for a couple of weeks now and they've been so helpful. I am getting pretty close to pulling the trigger but I had several little questions that I hoped you guys could address. Some of them have been discussed before, but not exactly on point (or maybe I missed it), so here goes:

I have pretty much decided on the Tacori 2620 medium setting with a round stone (also sliiiightly considering 2639, and 2628). I am leaning toward the pave but plan on looking at both pave/non pave in person before making a final decision. Any thoughts on setting are welcome - I am particularly interested in the pave/non question once the band is factored in. That is, what combinations are people especially fond of? Non-pave ER + pave band? Vice versa?

My main questions, though, have to do with the stone. I live in New York City, and don't have access to a car. I have read a lot of great things about GOG on this forum, and am happy to make the day trip out there if the consensus is that it's worth it. But in old posts I've read conflicting things about their pricing of stones. Before I go any further, this is where I'm at: My budget is about $11,000 for both band and stone. There's a little wiggle room there, if I found the perfect stone or something, but not a lot. (I am already planning on shipping to my house in NJ to save on sales tax, and paying by wire.) Because the Tacori setting is relatively expensive (about $4500 for platinum/pave -- oof), I really want to maximize my dollar when purchasing the stone. As mentioned before, I want to get the medium Tacori setting, so my understanding is that the stone has to be at least 1.2 ct (for the 2620). I have been looking online at stones that were (in order of priority) Excellent or comparable cut, G color and better, & SI1 and better. I am aware that this is a tall order for the $6500-7000 range that I'm in. So my questions are:

1) Does it sounds like I have a right mix of priorities as far as the specs? For example, in terms of what is more visible to the naked eye, would the next logical step down be to H in color, or to, say, SI2 in clarity? I realize that this is best answered by looking at particular stones, I'm just trying to get general information because you guys have a lot more experience than I do;

2) This is my main question: Bearing in mind my price constraints and unwillingness to go below H in color, should I put myself in GOG's hands to find this stone, or will I get a little more bang for the buck someplace else? Names I've read about on here include IDJ and James Allen, and obviously there are online retailers as well although I do think I'd prefer to see different stones compared with each other. I could also go to Michael C. Fina, which would be more convenient for me, although I have a hunch that their margin is higher and so I'd get less for my money -- correct me if I'm wrong on that. Also, if I get the setting at GOG or Fina first, but then get the stone someplace else (say at IDJ), who would coordinate with Tacori as to putting them together? IDJ doesn't have a relationship with Tacori, right? If I decide to get the band and stone from two different places, then, should I really be getting the stone first? Ahhhh so complicated!

In a perfect world I'd be able to make several trips to GOG and maybe IDJ's office to really see as much as possible, but as I said it's tough to get out to LI as I work during the day and live with my girlfriend (who I am trying to surprise). So bearing in mind that I'd like to make as few trips as possible, I'd love everyone's input. Thanks so much for your patience -- sorry to have written a novel -- and for your insight.
 
My experiences:

I initially had the 2620 in mind for the cushion. I was quoted $3700 for an 18k white gold halo pave and that kinda put a damper on my diamond budget so I scratched the Tacori out.

For me, the cost of the setting would have affected the size/quality of the stone too much. I was shooting for a 1.2-1.5 g/h stone. with a 10k budget including the setting.
I ended up with 1.244 I cushion stone with a custom setting and was slightly below.
my stone
http://beta.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Cushion-cut/1.24-carat-I-color-VS2-clarity-sku-178738

GF was really liking one of the custom settings we came across, but eventually looked at this one from EternityByYoni and settled on it.
The difference between this and Tacori was ( not branded , non of the intricate antique look design on the band ) but platinum and has the Harry Winston "The One" look.

For Sourcing diamond, reach out to a bunch of different vendors and see what they offer you at your price point. Ask for opinions from PS members, They were a godsend for my search :).

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the ones below but from my experience and since you mentioned IDJ, I met with him and his prices are really good from my experience although I did not end up getting the stone from him.

I think you can talk to a bunch of guys around this area regarding the diamond.
But you can reach out to these people and they can find you stones in your price range. Make sure to request ASET (fancy) or Idealscope) images for Rounds when they quote you. If they can provide you with GIA/AGS cert #'s you can even look it up.
Don't be surprised if you get offered the same stone though. (It happened to me and one vendor was 600-700 cheaper).
These are the people I reached out to when I was searching for a stone and setting. You can probably ask them about the Tacori setting too if they're a authorized retailer.

GOG ( long island )
Perry Chen
ERD Chris/Mark (5th ave)
IDJ (47th)
JA (NYC Office 46th)
Bluenile
Zolands (47th)
Jangmi (47th)
Old World Diamonds ( 5th ave same building as ERD )
 
isekii|1357670141|3350381 said:
The difference between this and Tacori was ( not branded , non of the intricate antique look design on the band ) but platinum and has the Harry Winston "The One" look.

For Sourcing diamond, reach out to a bunch of different vendors and see what they offer you at your price point. Ask for opinions from PS members, They were a godsend for my search :).

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the ones below but from my experience and since you mentioned IDJ, I met with him and his prices are really good from my experience although I did not end up getting the stone from him.

I think you can talk to a bunch of guys around this area regarding the diamond.
But you can reach out to these people and they can find you stones in your price range. Make sure to request ASET (fancy) or Idealscope) images for Rounds when they quote you. If they can provide you with GIA/AGS cert #'s you can even look it up.
Don't be surprised if you get offered the same stone though. (It happened to me and one vendor was 600-700 cheaper).
These are the people I reached out to when I was searching for a stone and setting. You can probably ask them about the Tacori setting too if they're a authorized retailer.

GOG ( long island )
Perry Chen
ERD Chris/Mark (5th ave)
IDJ (47th)
JA (NYC Office 46th)
Bluenile
Zolands (47th)
Jangmi (47th)
Old World Diamonds ( 5th ave same building as ERD )

Thanks for the input! I think I will probably have to stick with Tacori as I've heard my gf talk about them in the past and I just don't want to introduce any more uncertainty into this, haha. This is the perils of trying to surprise her, I guess. I am hoping that with the elaborate Tacori basket and the right stone I can go down to SI1 without a problem - it's important to me that the stone is eye-clean (I think that's the right term!) In any event, I would like to look at the band you wound up choosing- can you post a link?

Also, did you find that GOG was competitive as far as pricing of the diamond?
 
nicetry10023|1357674262|3350439 said:
isekii|1357670141|3350381 said:
The difference between this and Tacori was ( not branded , non of the intricate antique look design on the band ) but platinum and has the Harry Winston "The One" look.

For Sourcing diamond, reach out to a bunch of different vendors and see what they offer you at your price point. Ask for opinions from PS members, They were a godsend for my search :).

I don't think you can go wrong with any of the ones below but from my experience and since you mentioned IDJ, I met with him and his prices are really good from my experience although I did not end up getting the stone from him.

I think you can talk to a bunch of guys around this area regarding the diamond.
But you can reach out to these people and they can find you stones in your price range. Make sure to request ASET (fancy) or Idealscope) images for Rounds when they quote you. If they can provide you with GIA/AGS cert #'s you can even look it up.
Don't be surprised if you get offered the same stone though. (It happened to me and one vendor was 600-700 cheaper).
These are the people I reached out to when I was searching for a stone and setting. You can probably ask them about the Tacori setting too if they're a authorized retailer.

GOG ( long island )
Perry Chen
ERD Chris/Mark (5th ave)
IDJ (47th)
JA (NYC Office 46th)
Bluenile
Zolands (47th)
Jangmi (47th)
Old World Diamonds ( 5th ave same building as ERD )

Thanks for the input! I think I will probably have to stick with Tacori as I've heard my gf talk about them in the past and I just don't want to introduce any more uncertainty into this, haha. This is the perils of trying to surprise her, I guess. I am hoping that with the elaborate Tacori basket and the right stone I can go down to SI1 without a problem - it's important to me that the stone is eye-clean (I think that's the right term!) In any event, I would like to look at the band you wound up choosing- can you post a link?

Also, did you find that GOG was competitive as far as pricing of the diamond?

https://www.eternitybyyoni.com/engagement-rings/diamond-engagement-ring/Halo-520.htm

my setting. i'm still awaiting on CAD images, so if you're not in a rush I can post pics after approval and the ring is made :D
I honestly couldn't say how GOG prices were. I'm sure there is a set standard with regards to pricing but Cut/Color/Clarity all affect the price. When we went to see stuff at GOG, we mainly saw the August Vintage Cushions and that's their own special cut. They even have the patent on the wall. They have wonderful diamonds, but other vendors also carry nice stuff too. Brian Gavin has nice diamonds, GOG, ERD, etc.. so it's just a matter of finding the best one in your price range, but it doesn't hurt to reach out to all the ones I've listed above and more. Plus most if not all of them above are no sales pressure which is fantastic. If you need more info, let me know.
 
Okay, I would get the diamond from Good Old Gold since you plan on a Tacori setting. I love the 2620 without the pave on the shank. I think it is much more elegant with the plain shank and allows for a diamond wedding band (which you can save up for after buying this one!).

You are going to be challeged to a certain extent by spending so much of your budget on the setting. But what you need to do is call and make an appointment to go there to see stones. Tell them your total budget and that you plan on the 2620 as part of that budget. The remainder is how much you have for the diamond. They can call in a couple of stones for you within your budget. I never advise working with multiple vendors because this is stressful enough dealing with one! However, I have bought a couple of diamonds from Good Old Gold and have been extremely pleased with them!

I will say that you aren't going to get an excellent cut G SI1 1.2 cts at $6500. You are going to have to drop down to H or I color, more than likely.
 
Thanks so much for the advice, everyone. I am definitely going to take a closer look at the non-pave setting, it looked amazing in the video!

Thanks also for the tips on stones - I will follow up on those. I have to say I'm still a bit lost - there's just so much data on each stone and I'm not sure how to spot a bad egg. I've read on here that the table should max out at 63%, and that 53-58% is ideal. And that the depth should be between 56-65%. Does this sound right?

Still, when I do a search on PS, a lot of stones come up that seem to good to be true. Like this one for example:

http://www.eternitybyyoni.com/diamond_detail.php?id=749115&ref=pricescope

What should I be looking for that I'm missing?

I know that there are various imaging diagnostics (like idealscope), but I'm afraid I'm too green to know what to look for. What type of reports should I be asking for when I get close to buying a stone, and what should I be discerning from them?
 
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