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The April 17th issue of US magazine reports that L. Ron Hubbard (science fiction author and founder of Scientology) also had his own baby formula recipe which consists of barley water, milk and corn syrup and that "Hubbard believed the blend was sometimes better than breast milk." He sounds as wacky and controlling as Tom Cruise.....
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hmmm actually the theory that she already had her baby is not that far fetched. at the hair stylist today i was looking at mags and in one of them her face is totally larger and her arm looks wider...but then in other ones she looks thin again and that alien bump is trippy...kind of interesting!!
 
Date: 4/7/2006 5:43:47 PM
Author: koko
The April 17th issue of US magazine reports that L. Ron Hubbard (science fiction author and founder of Scientology) also had his own baby formula recipe which consists of barley water, milk and corn syrup and that 'Hubbard believed the blend was sometimes better than breast milk.' He sounds as wacky and controlling as Tom Cruise.....
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OK. I don't like Scientology as much as the next guy, possibly more so. But goodness, guys. Can we remember that this is a religion for the people who practice it? That some people actually believe its sacred? I don't think it shouldn't be open to ridicule or that the admin isn't corrupt, but the people on the ground aren't all nuts.

The baby formula recipie was created in the 50s when most of the formula was full of sugar and preservatives. It doesn't have any corn syrup in it, I think its mostly barley, essential minerals and vitamins for a baby, and (I can't remember) soy milk or something. It doesn't have any corn syrup in it. It was only supposed to replace breast milk if the mom was a crack addict or something.

ETA: also, you don't have to give your kid the formula. it's more in the nature of a suggestion.
My stepmom gave my stepbro the barley formula when he was between b. milk and solid food. Apparently worked fine for him. HUbbard was wacky and controlling, but his formula for babies isn't particularly indicative.
 
Date: 4/7/2006 11:54:00 AM
Author: pearcrazy
Thanks for clearing that up Rainbowtrout. It makes much more sense. Just one question though. Did your mom look like that when she was pregnant? I mean, you gotta admit-- that''s one odd looking belly!!


Haha. My mom was F-A-T, you couldn''t tell where I was! It was so funny--she is such a skinny woman and when I first saw the pics of her pregnant my jaw dropped. She weighed like 300 pounds!!! (that''s up from about 125 before preggers)

The doctor actually stopped weighing her
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Date: 4/5/2006 4:09:41 PM
Author:curlygirl

The latest on TomKat from the NY Daily News today. An adult pacifier?!?!?



Tom Cruise may have found a way to keep Katie Holmes from violating the precepts of Scientology and shrieking in pain when she gives birth to their child.
It''s a specially crafted adult pacifier, reports Star magazine.

''He commissioned an adult-sized ''binky'' for her to clench between her teeth, hoping that it''ll squelch her screams,'' a source tells the mag. ''In keeping with a Scientology silent birth, Tom is prepared to do whatever it takes to muffle Katie''s moans and groans during the delivery.''



Cruise''s PR rep, Arnold Robinson, denied the existence of an adult pacifier. As for its manufacture, a spokeswoman for NYU''s School of Dentistry told Lowdown: ''We haven''t heard of it, but it doesn''t mean a dentist wouldn''t do it.''



Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, who died in 1986, discouraged painkillers during delivery and preached that birth should be silent to ''save both the sanity of the mother and the child and safeguard the home to which they will go.'' The Scientology.org Web site explains: ''Having a quiet, gentle birth is all about providing the best possible environment for the birthing mother and her new baby.''



The alleged pacifier, which is reportedly made of plastic and molded to perfectly fit the 27-year-old Katie''s mouth, could be deployed very soon. Cruise recently told a German television interviewer: ''Katie could be having our baby at any minute.''



And the 43-year-old Cruise - who three years ago spent several months wearing braces - likely knows a friendly orthodontist who could help get such a contraption made.



Star also reports that Holmes - with Scientology minder Jessica Rodriguez often at her side - has been spending long days at the Celebrity Centre in Hollywood and is under pressure to renounce her Catholic upbringing and fully embrace Scientology.



Poor poor Katie.
 
Date: 4/5/2006 6:23:44 PM
Author: pearcrazy
Maybe childbirth will be easy because she''s not really pregnant. Does anyone else think that this is the weirdest looking pregnant belly they''ve ever seen? Look at the front of her pants how flat they are.
This was discussed on the radio this morning. A "reliable source" (whatever that means) stated that Katie actually gave birth 2 months ago to her ex-BF''s baby, but they are keeping that a secret so they can have Katie give birth in conjunction with the "MI3" release and to keep in line for the timeline of their romance....

Don''t know if it''s true, but with the pictures as "odd" as they are and the doubt that''s already running through this thread, just thought I''d put this out there...
 
well she is an actress so it could be true!
 
Date: 4/7/2006 6:55:07 PM
Author: rainbowtrout

Date: 4/7/2006 5:43:47 PM
Author: koko
The April 17th issue of US magazine reports that L. Ron Hubbard (science fiction author and founder of Scientology) also had his own baby formula recipe which consists of barley water, milk and corn syrup and that ''Hubbard believed the blend was sometimes better than breast milk.'' He sounds as wacky and controlling as Tom Cruise.....
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OK. I don''t like Scientology as much as the next guy, possibly more so. But goodness, guys. Can we remember that this is a religion for the people who practice it? That some people actually believe its sacred? I don''t think it shouldn''t be open to ridicule or that the admin isn''t corrupt, but the people on the ground aren''t all nuts.

The baby formula recipie was created in the 50s when most of the formula was full of sugar and preservatives. It doesn''t have any corn syrup in it, I think its mostly barley, essential minerals and vitamins for a baby, and (I can''t remember) soy milk or something. It doesn''t have any corn syrup in it. It was only supposed to replace breast milk if the mom was a crack addict or something.

ETA: also, you don''t have to give your kid the formula. it''s more in the nature of a suggestion.
My stepmom gave my stepbro the barley formula when he was between b. milk and solid food. Apparently worked fine for him. HUbbard was wacky and controlling, but his formula for babies isn''t particularly indicative.
Sorry, didn''t mean to offend....I''m really confused because from what I understand a person does not have to renounce their faith to become a Scientologist. I always thought Scientology pursued its legally tax exempt "Religion" status for financial gain.....I''ve never heard of anyone considering it "sacred....." My mother-in-law was a Scientologist, but considered it more as educational courses she had signed up for, and not religion....I really don''t get it!
 
If she has postpartum depression (totally natural)...
What if Tom hands her vitamins and tells her that the alien god Xenu will make it better? I''d be SO upset.
 
Here''s a follow up from Reuters. Tom denies the pacifier story, Kelly Preston endorses the silent birth and apparently, epidurals are allowed...


LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - After the giddy fanfare of their highly public courtship, actress Katie Holmes is expected to give birth to Tom Cruise''s baby any day now as quietly as humanly possible.

The "TomKat" baby may be the most hotly anticipated celebrity birth of the season, but it is expected to be delivered in line with the little understood Scientology method of quiet or silent birth.


Cruise, 43, is one of the best known adherents of the Church of Scientology founded by L. Ron Hubbard, who believed that the best possible start in life for a new baby is a calm and loving environment free of screaming obscenities, chatty doctors or shouts to "push."


"A woman who wants her child to have the best possible chance will find a doctor who will agree to keep quiet especially during the delivery, and who will insist upon silence being maintained in the hospital delivery room as far as it is humanly possible," Hubbard wrote.


Scientologists have spoken out in support of Cruise and the silent birth principle despite rumors and media criticism.


The "Mission Impossible" star this week denied one tabloid magazine report that he had bought an adult pacifier to muffle the moans and groans of his 27 year-old fiancee.


According to another report, large posters have been given to the Catholic-raised Holmes reminding her to "Be Silent and make all physical movements slow and understandable."


Scientologists John Travolta and his actress wife Kelly Preston were among those explaining the method. "Screaming is fine....it''s the words. If you can avoid saying certain phrases and words...Of course you''re going to groan and yell. It hurts. Just keep it to the minimum," said Preston, mother of two.


"As a mom, I am going through a very painful experience and my child is going through a very traumatic and painful experience. So I didn''t want to say anything that could affect him later in life," Preston added.


Scientologist believe that all the traumatic experiences and words in life are recorded in the subconscious including a child''s memories of his or her own birth.


Michelle Seward, a Los Angeles financial planner and Scientologist who had a silent birth, told Reuters, "We''re not trying to achieve absolute silence necessarily. And if the mother has to have an epidural, that''s OK."


The baby will be the first for Holmes, best known for the TV show "Dawson''s Creek," and the first biological child for twice-married Cruise. He adopted two children with actress Nicole Kidman before their marriage ended in divorce in 2001.


Cruise and Holmes have yet to announce a wedding date after a whirlwind romance starting in April last year that was played out on television and paraded before the world media.


The once intensely private Cruise was mocked for a manic couch-hopping appearance on "the Oprah Winfrey" show in May in which he effusively declared his love for Holmes. A month later he announced their engagement at a news conference in France.


 
Date: 4/7/2006 7:46:55 PM
Author: koko
Date: 4/7/2006 6:55:07 PM

Author: rainbowtrout


Date: 4/7/2006 5:43:47 PM

Author: koko

The April 17th issue of US magazine reports that L. Ron Hubbard (science fiction author and founder of Scientology) also had his own baby formula recipe which consists of barley water, milk and corn syrup and that ''Hubbard believed the blend was sometimes better than breast milk.'' He sounds as wacky and controlling as Tom Cruise.....
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OK. I don''t like Scientology as much as the next guy, possibly more so. But goodness, guys. Can we remember that this is a religion for the people who practice it? That some people actually believe its sacred? I don''t think it shouldn''t be open to ridicule or that the admin isn''t corrupt, but the people on the ground aren''t all nuts.


The baby formula recipie was created in the 50s when most of the formula was full of sugar and preservatives. It doesn''t have any corn syrup in it, I think its mostly barley, essential minerals and vitamins for a baby, and (I can''t remember) soy milk or something. It doesn''t have any corn syrup in it. It was only supposed to replace breast milk if the mom was a crack addict or something.


ETA: also, you don''t have to give your kid the formula. it''s more in the nature of a suggestion.

My stepmom gave my stepbro the barley formula when he was between b. milk and solid food. Apparently worked fine for him. HUbbard was wacky and controlling, but his formula for babies isn''t particularly indicative.

Sorry, didn''t mean to offend....I''m really confused because from what I understand a person does not have to renounce their faith to become a Scientologist. I always thought Scientology pursued its legally tax exempt ''Religion'' status for financial gain.....I''ve never heard of anyone considering it ''sacred.....'' My mother-in-law was a Scientologist, but considered it more as educational courses she had signed up for, and not religion....I really don''t get it!


No offense...I could seriously write a book about growing up in Scientology and have thought about it, but I''ll try to keep this brief. There is a distinction between the POwers that Be/Administration in any religion and the "people on the ground," the believers, as it were.

I was at the ceremony where we were celebrating the new status of Scientology as a religion. Maybe the people up at the head of the church, who may just see the whole thing as a scam to make money, were happy for financial reasons. But the people standing next to me, my father, his friends, were happy because it meant that *their beliefs* and *their lifestyle* was recognized as being a legitimate religion. For them, it had nothing to do with tax exemption per se. They are deeply committed to the tenants of Scientology as a religion and a philosophy.

You don''t "have" to renounce your religious faith to take Scientology courses or "be" a Scientologist. But as I said earlier, it''s rare for people to be deeply involved in the church, raise children in scientology, and still maintain another faith.

I am not a fan of the church. But I am not a fan of it because of the very fact that it IS a religion that masquerades as "just an education" with "free thought." Trust me, there is dogma and there are things you do not say. To go up to a Scientologist at, say, CC in LA and make a comment about Xenu is sort of the equivalent of going up to a Christian and saying "gee, that Trinity shit is wacked out."

I hate organized religion, and I hate it because I have seen what it does at its worst. But the people who believe in it (just like Catholics who were exploited by their church in monetary ways through history) deserve at least the recognition that to them, it isn''t all a joke.

I don''t know about your mother-in-law, I''d have to know how long she was involved, at what level, etc. Like being Jewish or Bhuddist or whatever, there are degrees.
 
thanks curlygirl! that''s pretty accurate. You are supposed to do a similar deal if, say, you stub your toe. Not supposed to say words because they could imprint. It''s basically yoinked from classic Fruedian theory.
 
Can you guys tell I''m bored...I found pics of miss preg. Katie online...Katie shopping at Soolip Paperie

http://www.waleg.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=305&pos=4

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another pic

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last one...

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That does not look like a pregnant belly to me...
 
"As a mom, I am going through a very painful experience and my child is going through a very traumatic and painful experience. So I didn't want to say anything that could affect him later in life," Preston added.

Scientologist believe that all the traumatic experiences and words in life are recorded in the subconscious including a child's memories of his or her own birth.


Yeah, well, Scientologists also believe that our stress/problems are caused by the souls of dead aliens.

I'm sorry, but I find this to be such utter BS, as I find *all* of Scientology to be. I don't even need to offer why I feel it's BS as it's pretty obvious. To assume that a mother must be quiet (or even try to hold any expletives as she's pushing a 10 lb human being through her vagina) is insane.
 
How about these - I think it would be pretty hard to pull off a fake belly in a white shirt - but you never know. I''m actually laughing at myself for even caring!

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last one...

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She does kind of have some mommy arms going on in those last two pics. I was surprised to see that she''s wearing her e-ring (page 1 of this thread) in one of the photos--although I have never been pregnant I was under the impression that being that far along you are usually unable to wear your rings due to swelling/water retention??? maybe she has two in different sizes?! Or maybe it further supports the theory that these pics are "fake?"
 
I'm thinking it's a real pregnancy, though the events leading up to it are pretty shady. Apparently, Katie was a big advocate for "waiting" until marriage (I believe she's talked about it in a couple of interviews). She starts dating wacko Tom (who's rumored to be sterile), and they're engaged AND pregnant after a couple of months? Pretty weird.
 
My MIL was involved with Scientology from 1978 up until her death in 2000. My husband and I were worried because it just seemed like a scam, not to mention the state of her eternal soul! She was on a fixed income, so she would teach the courses ("auditor??") so that she could earn credits to take other courses for free if I remember right.....it just seemed like the longer she was involved with them the more muddled her thought process became. She was from Chile and was a very practical lady but I believe she really thought it was based in some sort of science. Anyway, her mail got forwarded to our address after she died and we still get lots of junk mail from L. Ron. We get solicitations to go on expensive Scientology cruises and become "Sea Orgs," and all kinds of bizarre stuff. I don''t consider this a religion because the basic tenet of religion is that God created us all. My church doesn''t have a "Celebrity Center" or "Celebrity Cruise" to cowtow to the privileged and make more money. It is a shame that people get caught up in this and feel they have to spend a fortune to get to the state of "Clear." I think Katie Holmes has sold her soul, and she should run for her life!! This whole Scientology birth process is starting to remind me of "Rosemary''s Baby."
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"If you want to make money, start a religion" - L. Ron Hubbard

That's all Scientology is...a complete scam, designed to get those seeking something to believe in to pay disgutingly large amounts of money to participate.
 
Date: 4/7/2006 9:46:22 PM
Author: EBree
''If you want to make money, start a religion'' - L. Ron Hubbard

That''s all Scientology is...a complete scam, designed to get those seeking something to believe in to pay disgutingly large amounts of money to participate.
You are so right......of course Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) said that he planned to write a book that would sell more copies than the Bible and proceeded to write the Book of Mormon....he believed that "trillions of planets scattered throughout the cosmos are ruled by countless gods who once were human like us." I think L. Ron Hubbard was beat to the punch. If Katie has already had her baby and is walking around with a prosthetic beach ball under her blouse then she has a lower I.Q. than I previously believed.

P.S. Speaking of money making religions, my sister''s ex-husband is Mormon, and you are not considered "temple worthy" unless you consistantly tithe (10%). Only then can you enter a church temple.
 
I saw a picture of Katie in a bathing suit a few weeks ago. They were on a yacht with Tom''s kids and she was big all over. I don''t think that can be faked. I DO wonder about the thing about her already having it a couple of months ago and faking it. Stranger things have happened. Especially with Tom around.
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I don't agree with the idea of "celebrity centre" either...but I feel obliged to point out that my family really aren't celebrities and we go--"celebrity" really is a misnomer here, the people are mostly small-bit actors and musicians. It's a gimmick to make them feel special.

Koko: yeah, the Sea Org sucks. My brother joined for a year.

It's not selling your soul, though. My family hasn't sold their bloody *souls* for goodness sakes. They've made some poor decisions in the name of what I consider a silly religion. But it doesn't make you danse with the devil or anything. If I'm being utterly honest, I consider most religions a scam to make money that ended up being something good. Where on earth do you think Hubbard got the idea??

Because jesus rising from the dead is *so* much more reasonable that aliens. right. totally. indulgences, anyone?

IMO the only differance between Scientology/Mormonism and other religions is that they aren't old enough yet to acquire the patina of age that makes people view them as respected religious institutions, or to have a "reformation" or purification. if they last these things will happen.

Anyway, as for TomKat--if katie is smart, I hope she either finds a way to live as a moderate Scientologist or does what Nicole Kidman did and just refuses to raise the kids Scientologist.


EBree: while its not necessarily any more or less reasonable that the real ideas, they don't think dead alien souls cause all their problems, anyway.
 
here''s a pic...

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That''s the pic I was talking about. She sure has a big ole butt and thighs.
 
Does anyone read Pink is the New Blog? Trent''s been doing a bit of a bump-watch over the past couple of months, and this has been the latest:

Thursday:

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Saturday:

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I laugh every time I see one of his pictures of her.

At one point, her face did start looking a little chubby/bloated, but it seems to be back to normal now.
 
Date: 4/8/2006 5:57:50 PM
Author: moon river
That''s the pic I was talking about. She sure has a big ole butt and thighs.
She does? Dayum, I''ll trade with her! My butt got so big when I was preggers, it made beeping noises when I walked backwards
 
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