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havernell

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Hi all,

My fiance and I are starting to talk to our families about the final guest list for our wedding. I REALLY want to come up with a good strategy in advance regarding how to approach this task in a way that minimizes the stress that so many couples and families face when deciding who gets invited and who does not (and that also heads off the possibility of our families coming to us later on wanting to add "just x more people"). Therefore, I want to ask you wise ladies what you have done/ found works well to handle this delicate issue.

The details (feel free to skim): The maximum number that our church seats is 180 people, so that's the most we can accommodate (but, at the same time, we don't NEED to fill all 180 seats). So, we need to devise a way to keep the total number of invited guest below 200 while ensuring that random people aren't just invited "because there is space" and making sure that is still FAIR for all parties involved. (As an aside: when we were looking at venues my fiance and I did draw up a preliminary guest list and ran them by our parents, so we knew around 200 was doable but might mean making some cuts to everyone's "dream guest list"). Also, I should add that my parents (or at least Mom) feel pretty strongly (rightly or wrongly) that since they are paying the bulk of the wedding expenses that "our side" should at least have a roughly equal number of guests as my FIs side (i.e. FIs parents shouldn't invite 75 people while my parents only invite 40).

I've read some tips on how to make the drawing-up-the-guest-list as painless a process as possible and fair for all parties involved, but in my eyes each of these tips have certain downfalls themselves. For example, here are some tips I've come across and what I see as the problem(s) with them:

Tip 1: The total number of guests is divided by three and the bride's parents get to invite 1/3, the groom's parents get to invited 1/3 and the couple gets to invite 1/3 (or however you want to divide it- maybe 40/40/20). In our case 1/3 of 200 is 66.

Problem: Say (totally hypothetically) the groom comes from a large extended family. The 66 invites alloted to the groom's parents will then, by necessity, be filled with family leaving little if no room for close friends/dear co-workers, etc... who would be invited in an ideal world. Say the bride's extended family is quite small and even after inviting close friends, the bride's family still has some of the 66 invites left and thus start inviting random business associates, the people down the street, and the bride's third grade teacher just to reach 66. While the equal numbers thing is "fair" on the surface, it's not really fair that the bride's father's random business associate is invited when one of the groom's mother's close friends is squeezed off the list.


Tip 2: Set parameters that both sides must abide by in terms of "categories" of guests who are/are not invited. For example, parents' cousins can be invited but the children of those cousins are not. Or close family friends are a go but co-workers are out.

Problem: These parameters assume that all relationships are equal (i.e. I feel the same way about my second cousin as my FI feels about his). Unfortunately this is not the case. Maybe the groom's mom is in a career that is very "political" and feels she needs to invite co-workers for career reasons while the bride's Dad could care less if his business associates are there. Also, with this strategy, the person with the smaller family may have way fewer guests because they have a lot less people in the category of "extended family" on their side to invite.


Anyhow, this is getting to be a really long post (sorry that I get into details so much!) Bottom line is I'm struggling to find a way that we can get the guest list to the target number that is fair for everyone while also ensuring that random people aren't invited just because there is space for them (both because we'd like to the wedding to have a certain level of intimacy and because of cost concerns). SO, for you ladies who have done the guest list waltz already, any good suggestions for how to handle it?? I'd love to hear them!
 
My number one piece of advice which I''ve gained from the girls here at PS: stand strong and don''t back down. Don''t let either side force you into inviting people you don''t want there. It''s a very private, special moment that you should share with people you want there. We''ve used some other general rules:

1. Do we really want to pay for this person (food, invite, favor, etc.)? (Wow that sounds bad, but hey every penny counts on a budget)
2. Have I talked to this person lately? Or do I talk to them regularly?
3. How involved is this person in my life?
4. Um, do they even know who I am? (Believe it or not we''ve had to ask this with FI''s huge family..)
 
Havernell, I think as you pointed out not every rule or guideline is applicable to every relationship-- or even the bulk of relationships. Human relationships are dynamic and unique... and that's going to be the pitfall of most if not all 'rules' we can post for you.

That said, you've already let them know how many max capacity is. I wouldn't have done that, LOL. If max capacity is 180 I would have said 160 and left myself some room. As it is, the best advice I can give you is to either either a) draw up the guest list yourself (what we did, we just told our families who was invited, didn't ask-- of course we had master list to work from. And mom STILL added 13 people, though she paying separately for them) or b) be very clear that each side has an allotted number of people they have to abide by and no late additions will be accepted.
 
My rules is going to be, "Did they send me or FF a birthday card or call us on our birthdays?" Or "Do we see/talk to them at least once a month?" And "Are they happy for me to be getting married?"

You know, as I''m typing this out, I just realized that my brothers don''t fit that (kind of on purpose), but FF''s dad doesn''t.
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But he has to be invited. So there are exceptions...
 
Thanks for your replies so far girls.

I guess I should clarify (because my ramblings weren''t really clear). My FI and I don''t mind if there are some people invited that are more our parents guests than our guests (i.e. close friends of our parents that we don''t know very well). We both strongly feel that weddings are about families and not JUST about the bride and groom. If my mom has a dear friend that she wants there to share in her "sending her daughter out into the world" I understand that and don''t want to take that away from her at all. So, it''s intimacy for our families, not just FI and I that we''re trying to achieve.

But what is the balance between my Mom''s dear friend who I just don''t know that well (having lived away from home for some time now) vs. my FIs mom wanting to invite neighbors down the street? It''s hard for FI and I to KNOW exactly how close his parents are to those neighbors (vs. how close my mom is to this friend). If his parents really want these neighbors there, then I don''t want to take that away from them. But how can we know if they are being invited because FIs parents truly want them there or because they are "filler" (that''s probably a better word than "random" as I was using it above)? Friends are fine, filler is not.

I suppose you are right Gypsy that no one rigid "rule" is ever going to cover our whole guest list. I think part of the problem is that my FIs family and my family just have different understandings of how things like family relationships work. FIs family is very much "clan" based- for example, when my FIs brother graduated from college ALL of the aunts and uncles came (they literally had 25 people in the crowd). Whereas my family is more individualistic- when my bro graduated college it was just my nuclear family and my one living grandmother- there wasn''t even a though of inviting my extended family (just like we''ve never been to my cousins'' graduations) because that''s just not how things are done in my family.

So, I''m just worried that these different views of how families operate will mean that each side has a different view of who "HAS" to be invited. And the kicker is that neither one is right or wrong!! My FIs mom wanting to invite all of her second cousins is JUST AS VALID as my mom not feeling to need to invite her second cousins! But the problem comes when, because FIs mom wants to invite all the second cousins, their guest list is much larger than my parents list. And again it''s not because my Mom doesn''t have second cousins; she could invite them but just doesn''t feel the desire to, whereas FIs mom does. And I don''t want to take that away from FIs mom, but I also don''t think its fair for my parents to have a much smaller guest list.

Okay, I really need to stop rambling on public message boards!! But thanks for at least giving me a place to write this all down (that alone helps). I think the best thing to do is just talk about this more with FI (we have already, but more is always good) and just be really open with both of our parents too in order to gauge just how strongly they feel about each invited guest. Maybe we will have them do from 1-10 "how much do you need this person at the wedding" or something.
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And then at the end if need be my FI and I will be the final say on the guest list and stand firm!
 
I have a max of 120.

We did the list this way:

All family on both sides down as far as first cousins.

The rest were split between my parents and FI and my's friends.

We didn't give his parents any. They are divorced and both remarried and FI spends as little time as possible with either, so he doesn't know any of their friends.

My parents are paying for the wedding so they got a lot of places - but their friends are all quite eccentric, good fun and people I have known for years, there is one guy who is quite a famous artist and is 90% certain to turn up in shorts and a hawian shirt to an ultra-formal English wedding. Most people I'd find it a little strange to do that, but he is who he is - and will no doubt give us a painting as a wedding present (It's the only gift I am hoping for - I wouldn't care if I got nothing else).
 
Well, we didn''t really follow any rules regarding the guest list. This is what happened and how certain people came to their decisions about who to include:

My parents are paying for the reception, therefore, I didn''t feel comfortable telling them how many people they could invite. They knew we wanted a small wedding but over time, more and more people have been added. Now we''re way over what we wanted it to be but there are a few reasons my mom gave for her additions:

1. this is likely one of the last times that her side of the family (and my dad''s accually) will be together for a family event, unless someone plans a family reunion. I guess this is like another reunion for my mom.

2. they''re paying for it

3. my "life story," as my mom puts it. My mom talks a lot about our life stories. Family friends who I see only once or twice a year but I was once closer to when I was little help make up my life story. It would be nice to invite them.

My FI''s parents have considerably fewer people. His side is pretty much made up of family only, aside from a few friends -- aunts, uncles, [no cousins], siblings, nieces, and nephews.

My FI and I are inviting friends and I''m also inviting coworkers who''ve I''ve hung out with over the past couple years.
 
Date: 5/12/2008 4:35:19 PM
Author: FrekeChild
My rules is going to be, ''Did they send me or FF a birthday card or call us on our birthdays?'' Or ''Do we see/talk to them at least once a month?'' And ''Are they happy for me to be getting married?''

You know, as I''m typing this out, I just realized that my brothers don''t fit that (kind of on purpose), but FF''s dad doesn''t.
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But he has to be invited. So there are exceptions...
we did something similiar. our rule was "have we SPOKEN to them on the phone/or in person at least once in the past 6 months?" (note, not email!) that weeded out a lot of folks.

what also helped was that WE paid for our wedding, therefore WE had final say!
 
this sounds awful, and this is the only place where i have EVER admitted how we did our guest list, but we made four lists: mine, my FI''s, his parents'', and my parents''. everyone put their lists in order from who it was most important to them to attend to who was least (did that make sense?). the logic behind this was that if we needed to reduce numbers, we could scratch people from the bottom of the lists and try to keep it balanced. also, in the case of both sets of parents, they both had really short lists, so any reductions we''ve made we took from our own guests because it seemed unfair to make our parents reduce their lists when they consisted of so few. my family is HUGE, so if i had tried doing the guest list with rules like "all family is invited" or anything like that, i wouldn''t have enough room to invite even my closest friends!! meanwhile, my FI''s family is really small and seldom keeps in touch, so we also didn''t want to do it by percentages because i would''ve had to eliminate dozens while he begged strangers to sit on his side!

my biggest piece of advice on the guest list: try to keep your guest list much shorter than your maximum capacity because i GUARANTEE you that your list will grow, even if you don''t think it will, and the extra wiggle room just isn''t there if you''re aiming on the high end from the beginning. hope this helps, and if not, i do apologize for being so wordy! good luck!
 
Date: 5/12/2008 4:35:19 PM
Author: FrekeChild
My rules is going to be, ''Did they send me or FF a birthday card or call us on our birthdays?'' Or ''Do we see/talk to them at least once a month?'' And ''Are they happy for me to be getting married?''
I wish we''d used this rule
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Though, I only recently figured out that two of my "friends" do not fit into this category. You know, a week after I sent them their save-the-dates.

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Date: 5/12/2008 8:07:31 PM
Author: doodle
this sounds awful, and this is the only place where i have EVER admitted how we did our guest list, but we made four lists: mine, my FI''s, his parents'', and my parents''. everyone put their lists in order from who it was most important to them to attend to who was least (did that make sense?). the logic behind this was that if we needed to reduce numbers, we could scratch people from the bottom of the lists and try to keep it balanced. also, in the case of both sets of parents, they both had really short lists, so any reductions we''ve made we took from our own guests because it seemed unfair to make our parents reduce their lists when they consisted of so few.

hope this helps, and if not, i do apologize for being so wordy! good luck!

Hey thanks doodle! That sounds like a strategy that we could consider. It would at least help us understand who our parents really can''t bear to not have present. And I don''t think it sounds awful- it was a logical way to handle some hard decisions on who could/could not be invited. Thanks a lot for posting- I appreciate it!
 
no problem; glad i could help! just do yourself a favor and NEVER EVER EVER tell anyone how you did your list because if anyone ever sees it, it could get ugly!
 
I don''t know how TO manage the guest list because I haven''t been able to do a good job of that, myself. But here are some tips for what NOT to do:

- Do not allow either set of parents to see the other''s list. My FI accidentally emailed his father the ENTIRE guest list, not just his father''s final list, so FI''s father flipped out when he saw how many more people my parents invited. (My parents are paying for the wedding, FI''s father is not, but he doesn''t seem to care about that.)

- Pay for your own wedding. Then you can say no to anything because there are no strings for anybody to pull.

Good luck!
 
Date: 5/12/2008 11:28:18 PM
Author: Haven
I don''t know how TO manage the guest list because I haven''t been able to do a good job of that, myself. But here are some tips for what NOT to do:

- Do not allow either set of parents to see the other''s list. My FI accidentally emailed his father the ENTIRE guest list, not just his father''s final list, so FI''s father flipped out when he saw how many more people my parents invited. (My parents are paying for the wedding, FI''s father is not, but he doesn''t seem to care about that.)

- Pay for your own wedding. Then you can say no to anything because there are no strings for anybody to pull.

Good luck!
Oooh. Yeah. I''m not giving anyone the full monty, as it were, either. That''s just asking for trouble.
 
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