Stuller Setting Question

[mugatu300]

Hello, I am building a 6 prong solitaire using shanks/heads from Stuller's site. I have two questions before I dig any deeper:

1) Is it possible to do a Peg Shank with a Peg Head? Just as a for instance,

this shank (https://www.stuller.com/products/sh...nSource=CategoryBrowse&recommendationIndex=55)

with this head (https://www.stuller.com/products/20...onSource=CategoryBrowse&recommendationIndex=5)



2) If I instead select "6 prong shank" instead of peg shank, what type of head should I select: shank or peg setting? Just as a for instance,

If I select this shank (https://www.stuller.com/products/sh...nSource=CategoryBrowse&recommendationIndex=32)

Does that go with a shank head like this (https://www.stuller.com/products/29...nSource=CategoryBrowse&recommendationIndex=13)

Or a peg head like this (https://www.stuller.com/products/20...onSource=CategoryBrowse&recommendationIndex=5)

 

[ringo865]

What do you want your ring to look like when it is completed? I used a Stuller peg shank and a non-peg head for mine and it worked fine (four prong basket head). (skill of the jeweler will play a large part in this)

 

[mugatu300]

What do you want your ring to look like when it is completed? I used a Stuller peg shank and a non-peg head for mine and it worked fine (four prong basket head). (skill of the jeweler will play a large part in this)

I want a 6 prong solitaire non cathedral just like a classic tiffany setting. See below for some ideas from other sites. Like I mentioned in original post, just not sure what combos works together and unfortunately jeweler is out of town until next week and Stuller wont answer my questions since I dont have a business account.

https://taylorandhart.com/us/engagement-rings/grace-18k-white-gold-engagement-ring-round-diamond
https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...ni-1rz7265-solitaire-engagement-ring-4021.htm
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaires/classic-style-half-round-5478
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...x-prong-solitaire-engagement-ring-item-136167

 

[Kim N]

I want a 6 prong solitaire non cathedral just like a classic tiffany setting. See below for some ideas from other sites. Like I mentioned in original post, just not sure what combos works together and unfortunately jeweler is out of town until next week and Stuller wont answer my questions since I dont have a business account.

https://taylorandhart.com/us/engagement-rings/grace-18k-white-gold-engagement-ring-round-diamond
https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...ni-1rz7265-solitaire-engagement-ring-4021.htm
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/solitaires/classic-style-half-round-5478
https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...x-prong-solitaire-engagement-ring-item-136167

What about this one?

14K White 7.4 mm Round 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

15420604 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 7.4 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

 

[mugatu300]

What about this one?

14K White 7.4 mm Round 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

15420604 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 7.4 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

I want to customize the shank with the head so I need to know what combos work together unfortunately.

 

[lovedogs]

I want to customize the shank with the head so I need to know what combos work together unfortunately.

If you want a tiffany style setting, why not go with the one @Kim N recommended? Do you specifically need to customize?

 

[tyty333]

Agree with others, it's important to know what you are trying to customize. You're all over the place with the links you posted
above (different kinds of connections to the shanks) so those links don't really help. Can you post one ring closest to
what you want and then explain the customization you want with it? You might get better answers that way.

 

[emmy12]

I agree with @tyty333. All of four of the links to settings that you want to imitate have only one thing in common: they have 6 prongs.

Other than that they are all very different in style: how the shank connects with the head, shape of the shank, shape of the head, etc.

Please pick one that you like the best and the members can help guide you.

Two questions for you:
1) Why is it important that it has to be custom? Picking two stock components from the Stuller catalog and putting them together is not really "custom" IMHO, but YMMV.

2) If you have one clear inspiration picture, the jeweler will be able to choose the parts from the catalogue the fastest. Why is it important that you choose them before he is back? It won't to save you any time since you have to go through him anyway.

 

[emmy12]

Platinum pre-made settings that are identical to the Whiteflash setting you posted, and probably IS the exact setting that whiteflash/Ritani would use.
--> Stuller link Item #: 140309L:91030: P "Light" Knife edge shank version



Item #: 150309:22163: P
Square shank version



"Heavy" knife edge shank version
Item #: 140309H:50534: P


Edit to add that if you scroll down the pages you'll see that these settings are made by combining 2 stock parts, just like you were trying to piece together above.

 

[AdaBeta27]

Old thread on Tiffany replicas, posting this mainly for the photos. https://www.pricescope.com/blog/tiffany-inspired-tiffany-setting-comparison
Exceldiamonds ring was extremely popular on here for a while, back in the day, but apparently Excel went out of business. There is the original Tiffany and apparently a current version which is different.

 

[mugatu300]

Below is pretty much exactly what I want minus baby claw prongs rather than rounded prongs.

Grace | Round Six Prong Solitaire Engagement Ring

Round diamond solitaire engagement ring set in 18K white gold Ethically sourced and with 90 day returns.

taylorandhart.com

Trouble I am having is that most of the stuller settings look like their prongs are chunky/thick and arent really thin/hug the diamond like I want them to look.

What I mean by chunky:


Any suggestions? Basically looking for something like a Tiffany replica with 2mm band width and not a flat band or heavy knife edge.

 

[mugatu300]

I know a lot of people recommend the Stuller solstice but not sure if I am a fan. In below two examples, if you scroll over to the video, the prongs dont really cup the diamond at all like it does in the Taylor and Hart Grace or just a standard Tiffany or Tiffany replica. There is a lot of empty space.

14K White 6.5 mm Round Medium Six-Prong Solstice Solitaire® Ring Mounting

16320605 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

Platinum 7.8 mm Round Tall 6-Prong Solstice Solitaire® Ring Mounting

16120607 / Ring / Unset / Platinum / Round / 7.8 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

In these two videos it seems to cup the diamond a bit more but bands are flat or knife edge and thicker than 2mm it seems

14K White 6.5 mm Round 6-Prong Medium Knife Edge Engagement Ring Mounting

15520604 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.5 mm Round 6-Prong Low Solstice Ring Mounting

15420615 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

 

[luvmysparklies]

I know a lot of people recommend the Stuller solstice but not sure if I am a fan. In below two examples, if you scroll over to the video, the prongs dont really cup the diamond at all like it does in the Taylor and Hart Grace or just a standard Tiffany or Tiffany replica. There is a lot of empty space.

14K White 6.5 mm Round Medium Six-Prong Solstice Solitaire® Ring Mounting

16320605 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

Platinum 7.8 mm Round Tall 6-Prong Solstice Solitaire® Ring Mounting

16120607 / Ring / Unset / Platinum / Round / 7.8 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

In these two videos it seems to cup the diamond a bit more but bands are flat or knife edge and thicker than 2mm it seems

14K White 6.5 mm Round 6-Prong Medium Knife Edge Engagement Ring Mounting

15520604 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.5 mm Round 6-Prong Low Solstice Ring Mounting

15420615 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

If I am reading correctly, I think you like the prongs to fit the diamond like I do. I like the prongs to follow all the contours of the diamond with no space that you can see between the diamond and the prongs when you look at the ring from the side view. Tiffany does this well because they customize the prongs (setting) to the exact proportions of the diamond. In order to get that look, I think you need to get a custom setting. Try David Klass or another PS recommended jeweler that will do custom work and show them what you are trying to achieve by including a pic of the Taylor Hart Grace. They will need your stone so that they can do the CAD work and a wax model showing that the setting and prongs follow all the lines of the diamond.

I am a fan of the stuller solstice, but they are a bit thicker prongs. The only way I have achieved the tight fit that you are looking for without customizing to the exact specs of the diamond was when I took a stuller solstice and had a stone put in that was technically too big for the setting. The setter expanded (splayed out) the prongs to accommodate the larger circumference of the stone and then set the stone low into the setting. Then he added the metal needed to make sure the prongs would fold over the top. I then had the look of your Taylor with no visible air space from the side view and the prongs swooped over the top of the stone gracefully.

 

[mugatu300]

If I am reading correctly, I think you like the prongs to fit the diamond like I do. I like the prongs to follow all the contours of the diamond with no space that you can see between the diamond and the prongs when you look at the ring from the side view. Tiffany does this well because they customize the prongs (setting) to the exact proportions of the diamond. In order to get that look, I think you need to get a custom setting. Try David Klass or another PS recommended jeweler that will do custom work and show them what you are trying to achieve by including a pic of the Taylor Hart Grace. They will need your stone so that they can do the CAD work and a wax model showing that the setting and prongs follow all the lines of the diamond.

I am a fan of the stuller solstice, but they are a bit thicker prongs. The only way I have achieved the tight fit that you are looking for without customizing to the exact specs of the diamond was when I took a stuller solstice and had a stone put in that was technically too big for the setting. The setter expanded (splayed out) the prongs to accommodate the larger circumference of the stone and then set the stone low into the setting. Then he added the metal needed to make sure the prongs would fold over the top. I then had the look of your Taylor with no visible air space from the side view and the prongs swooped over the top of the stone gracefully.

So basically I have to go the custom route in all likelihood?

 

[luvmysparklies]

Not necessarily. This is a pic of my stuller solstice comfort fit. So you can see a real life image as opposed to the computer images online. The shoulders are not high and this is what putting a stone in that was technically too big for the size range of the setting wound up looking like. This is what I was talking about where the setter expanded/splayed out the prongs to accommodate and added metal so that the prongs could fold over the stone. I believe the solstice refers to the prong head of the ring.

 

[mugatu300]

Not necessarily. This is a pic of my stuller solstice comfort fit. So you can see a real life image as opposed to the computer images online. The shoulders are not high and this is what putting a stone in that was technically too big for the size range of the setting wound up looking like. This is what I was talking about where the setter expanded/splayed out the prongs to accommodate and added metal so that the prongs could fold over the stone. I believe the solstice refers to the prong head of the ring.

That looks very nice. Do you happen to know Stuller Cat# for that (head and shank if ordered separately)? Also, what size carat stone is that?

 

[luvmysparklies]

I will ask @Wink to chime in because I bought it from him. The original head was for a smaller stone and the trick to getting the look you want is to put a larger stone in than the setting head was made for and then having a great bench re-work the prongs. Stand by @mugatu300 .

edited to add: I forgot to tell you the stone sizes. I think the original head was made for about an 8-8.5 mm stone (of which I had a 9.2mm originally put in). Then when I took out the 9.2mm, I had a 10mm "jammed" in and what you see in the pic is the final product. Wink will chime in with what you need though. And yes, the head and shank can be ordered separately. I had a comfort fit shank, not the knife edge.

 

[emmy12]

having a great bench

This is the key to everything you're asking about. If you have the inspiration picture and the bench is good, they will know how to make it work from a stock setting

 

[Wink]

I will ask @Wink to chime in because I bought it from him. The original head was for a smaller stone and the trick to getting the look you want is to put a larger stone in than the setting head was made for and then having a great bench re-work the prongs. Stand by @mugatu300 .

edited to add: I forgot to tell you the stone sizes. I think the original head was made for about an 8-8.5 mm stone (of which I had a 9.2mm originally put in). Then when I took out the 9.2mm, I had a 10mm "jammed" in and what you see in the pic is the final product. Wink will chime in with what you need though. And yes, the head and shank can be ordered separately. I had a comfort fit shank, not the knife edge.

I will have to do some research on the catalog numbers, etc., but I am sure the great bench at Continental can do what Luvmysparklies had us do many years ago. I am out of the office today, so if you wish to contact me tomorrow I can work on this for you.

 

[Rockcollector]

I have 2 rings with Stuller settings. The smaller diamond (1.06 ct) is the crown setting, while the larger (1.41ct) is the solstice setting. The jeweler ordered the shank and head separate as he said the ring (ready to set) that was sent was somewhat crooked.

 

[mugatu300]

Thank you for the pictures. So basically regarding the head, I am looking for somthing like this below. Prongs that cup the stone and are low profile; their depth is low so they dont jut out too far.


I went on Stuller's site and filtered for all 6 prong heads that when set with a 7.2mm stone, wont exceed 8.0mm total height (don't want a tall set diamond). Do you think a local jeweler can modify any of the below heads to mimic the example above?

Platinum 7 mm Round 6-Prong Peg Setting

2002036 / Platinum / Round / 7mm :: 1 1/4 CT / 6-prong / Semi-Polished / 6-Prong Peg Setting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.6-7.2 mm Round 6-Prong Peg Setting

314 / 14K White / Round / 6.6-7.2 mm :: 1 1/8-1 1/2 CT / 6-prong / Semi-Polished / Round 6-Prong Medium Peg Setting

www.stuller.com

14K White 7 mm Round 6-Prong Low Peg Setting

20615 / 14K White / Round / 7mm :: 1 1/4 CT / 6-prong / Semi-Polished / Round 6-Prong Solstice Peg Setting

www.stuller.com

14K White 7 mm Round 6-Prong Medium Solstice Solitaire® Peg Setting

20604 / 14K White / Round / 7mm :: 1 1/4 CT / 6-prong / Semi-Polished / Round 6-Prong Medium Solstice Solitaire Peg Setting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.6-7.2 mm Round 6-Prong Low Peg Setting

312 / 14K White / Round / 6.6-7.2 mm :: 1 1/8-1 1/2 CT / 6-prong / Semi-Polished / Low Peg Setting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.6-7.2 mm Round 6-Prong Low Shank Setting

292 / 14K White / Round / 6.6-7.2 mm :: 1 1/8-1 1/2 CT / 6-prong / Semi-Polished / Round 6-Prong Low Shank Setting

www.stuller.com

 

[luvmysparklies]

@mugatu300 I am sorry if I missed it, but what size is your diamond? (measurements) and what is your partner's finger size?
To answer you, it seems like the 3rd and fourth ones would be the only ones out of that group that might mimic the swoops in the tiffany inspired ring. I believe the closest is going to be the solstice head.

 

[mugatu300]

@mugatu300 I am sorry if I missed it, but what size is your diamond? (measurements) and what is your partner's finger size?
To answer you, it seems like the 3rd and fourth ones would be the only ones out of that group that might mimic the swoops in the tiffany inspired ring. I believe the closest is going to be the solstice head.

Measurements: around 7.15mm diameter

Ring size: around 5.25

 

[luvmysparklies]

@mugatu300 Ok, You seem to be kind of in a rush to get the setting.
A couple of thoughts:
Would you be willing to propose with a temporary setting?
That would give you more time to consult with who ever you choose to work on a permanent solution. Wink can help you once he gets the catalogue numbers.
In the meantime, what do you think of getting a cheaper setting to meet your timeline and then you and your partner can take your time to get the setting just right?

If the measurements are about 7.15 mm and you just want to cut to the chase and just get a real Tiffany ring, this option would fit your stone. They are reputable sellers and the ring is exactly the finger size you need.
If you are not comfortable going this route, then maybe get the temporary setting for now?

Tiffany & Co. Solitaire Engagement Semi Mount Ring Setting Platinum Held 1.38ct | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Tiffany & Co. Solitaire Engagement Semi Mount Ring Setting Platinum Held 1.38ct at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

 

[mugatu300]

@mugatu300 Ok, You seem to be kind of in a rush to get the setting.
A couple of thoughts:
Would you be willing to propose with a temporary setting?
That would give you more time to consult with who ever you choose to work on a permanent solution. Wink can help you once he gets the catalogue numbers.
In the meantime, what do you think of getting a cheaper setting to meet your timeline and then you and your partner can take your time to get the setting just right?

If the measurements are about 7.15 mm and you just want to cut to the chase and just get a real Tiffany ring, this option would fit your stone. They are reputable sellers and the ring is exactly the finger size you need.
If you are not comfortable going this route, then maybe get the temporary setting for now?

Tiffany & Co. Solitaire Engagement Semi Mount Ring Setting Platinum Held 1.38ct | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Tiffany & Co. Solitaire Engagement Semi Mount Ring Setting Platinum Held 1.38ct at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

I would rather propose with the actual setting rather than a temporary setting. I have someone that can do custom within my timeframe but they are a long drive away. If you think someone can modify a Stuller setting to replicate a Tiffany setting that would be my preferred option. If you think that is unlikely, they I guess I will pursue the long drive away option.

My budget for setting is <$1200 and would prefer something new so the ebay option is out for me unfortunately but thank you!

 

[luvmysparklies]

I would rather propose with the actual setting rather than a temporary setting. I have someone that can do custom within my timeframe but they are a long drive away. If you think someone can modify a Stuller setting to replicate a Tiffany setting that would be my preferred option. If you think that is unlikely, they I guess I will pursue the long drive away option.

My budget for setting is <$1200 and would prefer something new so the ebay option is out for me unfortunately but thank you!

If you were pleased with the pic I posted, as a Tiffany inspired option, then yes, @Wink can help you. Call his number, leave a message and give him a day to get back to you.

 

[mugatu300]

I will have to do some research on the catalog numbers, etc., but I am sure the great bench at Continental can do what Luvmysparklies had us do many years ago. I am out of the office today, so if you wish to contact me tomorrow I can work on this for you.

Do you happen to know the Catalog numbers of the head and shank in Post #15?

 

[mugatu300]

I found a Stuller setting I like minus the slightly tall shoulders and thick band width:

14K White 5.5 mm Round Engagement Ring Mounting

122011 / Solitaire / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 5.5 mm / Polished / Engagement Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

My question is, what head would you say that is? Ideally, I'd like to place that head on a thinner shank.

Do you think it is either of the heads used below? Both are solstice heads but they have dramatically different looks if you scroll over to the video view in each link. Option A has a solstice shank head, but there is a lot of open space between the prong tips and the body of the diamond. Option B has a solstice peg head and does a much better job of cupping the diamond tight which I like (similar to head above)

14K White 6.5 mm Round Medium Six-Prong Solstice Solitaire® Ring Mounting

16320605 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.5 mm Round 6-Prong Medium Knife Edge Engagement Ring Mounting

15520604 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

 

[luvmysparklies]

I believe they are all solstice heads. What you are seeing in the videos may be smaller sized diamonds placed into the setting heads just as an example of how the ring looks set with a stone. It does not mean that what you want cannot be achieved and that you would have all of that spacey effect.

 

[luvmysparklies]

I found a Stuller setting I like minus the slightly tall shoulders and thick band width:

14K White 5.5 mm Round Engagement Ring Mounting

122011 / Solitaire / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 5.5 mm / Polished / Engagement Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

My question is, what head would you say that is? Ideally, I'd like to place that head on a thinner shank.

Do you think it is either of the heads used below? Both are solstice heads but they have dramatically different looks if you scroll over to the video view in each link. Option A has a solstice shank head, but there is a lot of open space between the prong tips and the body of the diamond. Option B has a solstice peg head and does a much better job of cupping the diamond tight which I like (similar to head above)

14K White 6.5 mm Round Medium Six-Prong Solstice Solitaire® Ring Mounting

16320605 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

14K White 6.5 mm Round 6-Prong Medium Knife Edge Engagement Ring Mounting

15520604 / Engagement Ring / Unset / 14K White / Round / 6.5 mm / Polished / 6-Prong Solitaire Ring Mounting

www.stuller.com

Not sure if you have called @Wink at Continental Diamonds, but I have worked with them recently on a different project involving ordering a new head and retro fitting it to an existing antique shank that I had. It worked out very well. I double checked, and if you tell them what head and what shank you want, they are able to shave down metal if something is too thick for your liking.

Hope that helps and I hope you are able to get what you want within your time frame, who ever you might choose to work with!