Tanzanite Testing Kit?

[Karltin26]

Hi all,

Firstly, as you may have gathered, I am new here so please go gentle with me. I hope very much that I can learn a lot from the pro''s here.

Right, I have always had a interest in gems (mainly diamonds but Tanzanite too) which has stemmed from dealing in the stock markets in many gemstone producers/explorers. I know all about the process of getting it out the ground and onto the market but upto there I hope I can gain knowledge here. Bearing this in mind I have decided to take up a more active interest and I would like to build up my own collection starting with Tanzanite.

I am of the opinion that Tanzanite will increase greatly in value if you are prepared to wait. I am looking to buy top class stones from 2 to 10 Carats and hold onto them.

I have searched alot on the internet regarding "buying tips" and such like but I would like your advise on which is the best Tanzanite Testing Kit along with where I may be able to purchase such an item.

I have looked up on Chelsea Filters, Henneman Tanzanite Filters, Dichroscopes and such like and to be honest it has left me a little confused to say the least.

Which is the best, do I need all these items or just one, where can I buy it from?

I just need to know what is the most simple accurate why to test if I have real Tanzanite or not?

Also, may I ask what other posters views are regarding Tanzanite as an investment?

Many thanks in advance.

 

[chrono]

If you intend to buy top class tanzanites of that size and price, it is a lot easier to make sure that the sale in contingent upon a reputable lab report (GIA, AGL, AIGS and the like) rather than trying to test it yourself. Not only that, a stone accompanied by a lab report is easier to resell. Even if you have all the right tools to make a proper ID, note that a synthetic stone will also have the same RI as a natural stone, although you’ll be able to weed out lookalikes like coloured glass and iolite. Also, you have to know how to use the tools properly which is another task in itself. This is why I highly recommend just getting the stone checked out by a reputable lab or independent appraiser who is experienced with coloured gemstones and owns the right tools. That said, I do not believe in gemstones as an investment vehicle. I also do not believe that tanzanite will greatly increase in value; in fact, the price has dropped in the past few years.

 

[Karltin26]

Thanks for the reply Chrono.

I forgot to mention the I do intend to have any stones I purchase tested professionally. Also, considering the garde/size I wish to buy I would assume that a certificate would accompany them but as you point out, it needs to be from a reputable lab.

My question regarding a Tanzanite testing kit is simply for my own research and analysis as I would like to understand all whats involved including knowing what the professional are looking for.

As for your disagreement regarding Tanzanite as an investment vehicle. I am looking at this from a stock market point of view and fact is that we have/are suffered/suffering one of the greatest recessions in living history and infact the gemstone market was/has been one of the biggest suffering sectors. In general this particular sector lost as much as 80% of it value starting August/September 2008. Recent signals indicate the sector is showing sustained signs of revival which seems to be increasing month on month with sales picking up in all the major gemstone hubs of the world including Isreal, Antwerp and Hong Kong amongst others.

Also, as for Tanzanite, the main producing company, Tanzanite One are highly likely to return to profitability this year after suffering greatly during the recession and lower Tanzanite prices. I am an investor in this company and production figures look very good along with cashflow forcasts for 2010 and also the increasing price of Tanzanite in a recovering gemstone market.

Taking all this into consideration I am prepared to take my chance and I can wait as long as it takes.

Anyway, enough of the stock markets, do you have a suggestion of what is the most simplest, most accurate Tanzanite testing tool/kit?

Thanks

 

[LD]

Welcome to the forum!

I need to preface this by saying I own a small mountain of Tanzanite so I am speaking from a personal point of view and would love to agree with you but I'm afraid I don't.

There are very few gemstones in the world that I would consider to be an investment. The only gems that may perhaps be investment stones are those that were mined out many years ago and are difficult to get on the market. If you look at the market right now, it's flooded with Tanzanite. Television shopping channels sell it, high street jewellers sell it, low end retailers sell it.

20 years ago, Tanzanite was going to run out in 10 years, 10 years ago, Tanzanite was going to be mined out in 10 years and now? Well, we're still being told there's about 10 years left of mining. So what's the betting that in 10 years time we'll hear the same thing?

The other thing to bear in mind is that Tanzanite is currently only mined in one location. What happens if there's another find? New finds of gemstones are cropping up all over the place so it wouldn't be out of the realms of possibility. Take Alexandrite as an example. It was originally only found in Russia, then it was mined in Brazil, found again in India, Tanzania etc etc.

Please don't buy Tanzanite for an investment unless you want your grandchildren to possibly benefit. Even then there are no guarantees. In my opinion gemstones should never be bought for investment. They should be bought because they are loved.

Lastly, some Tanzanite will come with a laboratory certificate but the majority doesn't. I have an 18ct Tanzanite top grade that didn't come with one and I had to pay to get it certified. Top class Tanzanite in 2ct to 10ct are very very very easy to come by. The best retailer in the UK for this gem is actually a Television Shopping Channel (surprisingly) that is part of the STS Group who are siteholders at Tanzanite One. Typically the price per carat (for a top grade stone) is around £300 per carat. Less as the gemstone gets bigger.

Hope that helps.

 

[Jim Rentfrow]

Investing in gemstones is ok as long as you have a distribution channel for your stones. This is extremely challenging as most stores will not purchase gemstones from individuals and most people do not own jewelry stores. While prices may be beating the stock market currently, investing in gemstones is kind of like investing in a great penny stock. If you cant sell it later down the line due to limited distribution channels you cant make a profit. Gemval is a god site to see historic gemstone prices and you can see them here

http://gemval.com/default.aspx?fuseaction=history

 

[Jim Rentfrow]

The second thing I was going to say is if you are going to invest in a gemstone try tourmaline it has twice the performance of tanzanite over the last five years. It also has a lot more rarity in certain color and clarity combinations.

 

[Karltin26]

Thanks to all of you who have replied.

I have a problem though. I am still no nearer to getting an answer to my original question about a Tanzanite Testing Kit. The only replies I have got is how bad an investment stone Tanzanite is.

I would really like direction on where to find the simplest most accurate Tanzanite Testing Kit if any of you know please.

 

[FrekeChild]

Date: 2/18/2010 7:13:58 PM
Author: Karltin26
Thanks to all of you who have replied.

I have a problem though. I am still no nearer to getting an answer to my original question about a Tanzanite Testing Kit. The only replies I have got is how bad an investment stone Tanzanite is.

I would really like direction on where to find the simplest most accurate Tanzanite Testing Kit if any of you know please.

I know of no such thing. I know of lots of testing machines, such as the ones you have mentioned, but if you are planning on "investing" in such high quality material, then you should only really be dealing with laboratory testing, because they have seen the stones, they have seen the synthetics and they know what they are doing.

I think you should really listen to the above people, on the investment possibilities with Tanzanites specifically, but all gemstones and jewelry in general. Should you buy a diamond, in private resale, you''ll be lucky to get 1/2 of the retail price-that is a FACT. Well, unless we''re talking a really big D, IF diamond, or a really big colored diamond, in which case that''s more of a toss up.

Having said all of that, I wish you luck, considering you don''t seem as though you care to hear expert advise from those in the know, and I really hope you don''t lose a bunch of money like the people I know who have tried to resell gemstones/jewelry. Your money, your choice.

 

[RevolutionGems]

I suppose you could get a few basic tools like a spectroscope and a refractometer, maybe a dichroscope. To my knowledge, there is no specific kit for testing tanzanite, just standard tools.

I have to agree with what has been said here. If you really want to know about a stone, spend a few bucks and send it to a reputable lab. That will ALWAYS be your best bet.

 

[Pandora II]

Date: 2/18/2010 11:36:19 PM
Author: Revolution
I suppose you could get a few basic tools like a spectroscope and a refractometer, maybe a dichroscope. To my knowledge, there is no specific kit for testing tanzanite, just standard tools.

I have to agree with what has been said here. If you really want to know about a stone, spend a few bucks and send it to a reputable lab. That will ALWAYS be your best bet.

I'd probably go for a dichroscope, polariscope, a refractometer, Chelsea filter and probably a spectroscope as well.

I've heard good and not so good on the Hanneman Tanzanite filter (you can't use this on it's own btw).

I'd want a combination of all of the above to begin to feel happy. You will also need to learn how to use them and what to look for.

 

[LD]

There is no specific Tanzanite testing kit.

Please bear in mind that it takes a ton of experience to actually interpret what you see when using all of the equipment already mentioned. At the end of the day will those tests 100% confirm that what you''ve bought is a Tanzanite? No. They are screening tools that will help you narrow it down to "yes, it''s the real deal" but the only way to be 100% certain is to send each stone to a laboratory.

 

[Pandora II]

Date: 2/19/2010 10:53:57 AM
Author: LovingDiamonds
There is no specific Tanzanite testing kit.

Please bear in mind that it takes a ton of experience to actually interpret what you see when using all of the equipment already mentioned. At the end of the day will those tests 100% confirm that what you''ve bought is a Tanzanite? No. They are screening tools that will help you narrow it down to ''yes, it''s the real deal'' but the only way to be 100% certain is to send each stone to a laboratory.

Ditto this - you can use the tools to eliminate what it is not, but the end result will be a ''most likely candidate''.

Also, synthetic gems will normally display the same optical, chemical and physical properties as their natural counterpart - one that differs slightly is synthetic spinel which has a slightly higher refractive index than natural spinel - so you will need further tests to confirm which you have.

 

[lelser]

The Hanneman Tanzanite filter works well and I always take it with me in the field. Synthetic Fosterite is a very tough separation in the field, and I''ve found some even in Tucson being sold as Tanz so it''s widespread.

Like all filters, it works best to have a reference stone - you compare the know Tanz to the stone you''re considering.

As for it being an investment, no.

Cheers,

Lisa

 

[Gailey]

Date: 2/17/2010 10:40:24 AM
Author: Karltin26
Thanks for the reply Chrono.

I forgot to mention the I do intend to have any stones I purchase tested professionally. Also, considering the garde/size I wish to buy I would assume that a certificate would accompany them but as you point out, it needs to be from a reputable lab.

My question regarding a Tanzanite testing kit is simply for my own research and analysis as I would like to understand all whats involved including knowing what the professional are looking for.

As for your disagreement regarding Tanzanite as an investment vehicle. I am looking at this from a stock market point of view and fact is that we have/are suffered/suffering one of the greatest recessions in living history and infact the gemstone market was/has been one of the biggest suffering sectors. In general this particular sector lost as much as 80% of it value starting August/September 2008. Recent signals indicate the sector is showing sustained signs of revival which seems to be increasing month on month with sales picking up in all the major gemstone hubs of the world including Isreal, Antwerp and Hong Kong amongst others.

Also, as for Tanzanite, the main producing company, Tanzanite One are highly likely to return to profitability this year after suffering greatly during the recession and lower Tanzanite prices. I am an investor in this company and production figures look very good along with cashflow forcasts for 2010 and also the increasing price of Tanzanite in a recovering gemstone market.

Taking all this into consideration I am prepared to take my chance and I can wait as long as it takes.

Anyway, enough of the stock markets, do you have a suggestion of what is the most simplest, most accurate Tanzanite testing tool/kit?

Thanks

How did this 80% loss in the value of the business equate to the drop in price (if any) in investment quality stones?

 

[morecarats]

To be fair to the original poster, if I were an investor in Tanzanite One, and were buying a lot of tanzanite gemstones as investments, I would be on all the gemstone discussion forums hyping the investment value of tanzanite.

 

[icekid]

Date: 2/20/2010 7:24:32 AM
Author: morecarats
To be fair to the original poster, if I were an investor in Tanzanite One, and were buying a lot of tanzanite gemstones as investments, I would be on all the gemstone discussion forums hyping the investment value of tanzanite.

Um, I''m fairly certain this is not the purpose of pricescope.

I don''t really understand why the OP needs to test his/her tanzanites ANYWAY if an investor in tanzanite one. I would think that these stones would be acquired directly from the source???

Regardless, I certainly won''t be investing in tanzanite or any other gem.

 

[Barrett]

Yea..I was under the impression that the T-One investors were allowed to purchase at the sights or directly from the South African offices..maybe I was wrong

 

[Karltin26]

did this 80% loss in the value of the business equate to the drop in price (if any) in investment quality stones?

Please read all my posts carefully regarding this 80% reduction.

I never mentioned anything about "80% loss in the value of the business" at all.

The 80% loss was applied to the gemstone market in general and if you care to do the most basic of research you will see that due to the recession that the gemstone market in general was one of the worst to suffer. This decline of the gemstone market started Aug/Sept 2008 and as a direct result it affected all gemstone producers and explorers. Significantly lower price where obtainable for both rough and polished stones and many gem producers had no option but to put of their operations on care and maintenance as their produce was only able to be sold at vastly reduced prices. Existing inventories had to be markedly written down due to the lower mark value and it was simply a case of battening down the hatches. As for the explorers who didn''t have the luxury of yet being producers with no inventory to fall back on and the continued cost of exploration in a depressed market, many fell by the wayside as they did not have the funds for continued exploration without production revenues and even if the were producing it was just a small amount which had to be sold at depressed prices to fund further exploration.

If you care to look at the share price of some of diamond/gemstone producers/explorers on say the AIM market such as Gem Diamonds, Petra Diamonds, Namakwa Diamonds, Firestone Diamonds, African Diamonds, Tanzanite One, Gemfields amongst many more you will see a noticeable decline in the SP around July/Aug/Sept 2008 and this is a direct result of the recession and the impact it had on the gemstone market in general. This downward trend continued until the latter part of 2009 where the gemstone market showed signs of revival which continues to the present day with no signs of stopping. This allowed many gemstone producers to start selling inventories at better prices for both rough and polished stones and exploration companies to obtain better prices for the little produce they have obtained from exploration and evaluation work of potential projects.

In the case of Tanzanite, I have been able to obtain, in one transaction 45.56 carats of top grade cut faceted vivid blue/purple with pink flashes consisting of 7 stones at $96 per carat directly from a source of a friend in Arusha. I have been reliably informed that this is the very same grade that Tanzanite One has been selling to sight and non sight holders at $190 per carat and there is no better grade. Therefore as an investment potential this is clear to see that I have very nearly doubled my money. Of course I need to get these stones lab tested but firstly I posed the question about Tanzanite testing kits for my own peace of mind but since it appears to be a difficult process I will send them to a lab to be tested. I have no doubt at all that the stone I currently have are the real thing as I know for a fact that my contact will not lead me a merry dance.

It appears that the posters here are just lovers of gems and there is no harm in that at all but I fail to see why some blatantly refuse to see that there is no investment potential in Tanzanite nor any other gem given the fact of the depressed gemstone market in general during the recent recession.

It seems that my indication regarding gems as investment has been met with resentment and the main question regarding a Tanzanite testing kit, for my own peace of mind, has largely been ignored and I am considered not worthy if my main intention is to benefit fiancially out of my interest in gems.

Sorry.

 

[LD]

WOW what an incredibly defensive post!

We're "just lovers of gems"? You're sneering comment is actually completely and utterly wrong. You're on a board crammed full of lapidarists, gemstone sellers and enthusiastic collectors (of many years). Of the people who have had the decency to reply to you, 5 are either gemstone sellers or lapidarists! If you believe that we are all wrong and you're correct then fine. No problem. Time will prove us correct despite what you read or how you interpret statistics! I think there are many here who will disagree that there's been an 80% drop in either price, sales or availability!

You say we responded with "resentment"? What????? Why on earth would we do that? Resent you for what? Just for the record - we all responded when you asked again about a Tanzanite testing kit so to be quite so blatently rude to those who have tried to help is incredibly antagonist.

I have an incredible amount of Tanzanite but unlike you I'm realistic that it won't be an investment no matter what I bought it at because it still has to be sold on. Gemstones are only worth what somebody will pay. If you feel you have the contacts to double your investment (less of course the laboratory fees) then I wish you well.

 

[Karltin26]

Thanks for your reply but you obviously know nothing about the depressed gemstone market or the stock markets nor make the effort to research it given the fact that I have given you some signposts directing you there.

Also, thanks for the insult indicating to me being "unrealistic", maybe it you who may have it wrong but you and your "5" experts here obviously know what best and what the future holds.

Fact is that top grade Tanzanite accounts for approx less than 2% of all mined production and as we know Tanzanite is only found in one place in the world. If this continues to be the case and production decreases it is clearly obvious that the demand for top grade Tanzanite will increase therefore this will have a very positive effect on the obtainable carat price.

You can spin the old yarn that "what if they find another source" but I do not buy into that as they have yet to find another source in the last 30/40+ years. Infact Tanzanite has been likened to such gems as true Paraiba Tourmaline and genuine Alexandrite which we all know fetches very high carat prices. Taking this into consideration plus the fact that approx less than 2% of all mined produce is top grade and it is quite possible that no other source will be found it would be folly to think that there is no investment potential in top grade Tanzanite.

If you and the pro''s here seriously think the opposite I suggest you contact all the major Tanzanite dealers and inform them that their evaluations and predictions are very optimistic and they are wasting their time.

Again, sorry for asking my original question and I will contact you in a few years time when I can state "I told you so"

Good luck.

 

[Arkteia]

Date: 2/17/2010 1:11:42 PM
Author: Jim Rentfrow
Investing in gemstones is ok as long as you have a distribution channel for your stones. This is extremely challenging as most stores will not purchase gemstones from individuals and most people do not own jewelry stores. While prices may be beating the stock market currently, investing in gemstones is kind of like investing in a great penny stock. If you cant sell it later down the line due to limited distribution channels you cant make a profit. Gemval is a god site to see historic gemstone prices and you can see them here

http://gemval.com/default.aspx?fuseaction=history

Very interesting website. It seems that the price of expensive gemstone has either not changed or changed insignificantly. I wonder if it has more to do with economy than anything else. When economy was strong people tended to buy more expensive stones. Now that the things look shaky people tend to buy cheaper stones like amethyst or citrine or peridont, hence the price for "affordable" stones has gotten up.

Tourmalines and zircons show an interesting trend. I wonder if rizing zircon prices have something to do with increasing interest in "fancy" diamonds - these two stones do look the same for an inexperienced observer.

 

[Arkteia]

Date: 2/20/2010 10:32:11 AM
Author: Karltin26

How did this 80% loss in the value of the business equate to the drop in price (if any) in investment quality stones?[/quote]

Please read all my posts carefully regarding this 80% reduction.

I never mentioned anything about '80% loss in the value of the business' at all.

The 80% loss was applied to the gemstone market in general and if you care to do the most basic of research you will see that due to the recession that ?[/quote]
the gemstone market in general was one of the worst to suffer. This decline of the gemstone market started Aug/Sept 2008 and as a direct result it affected all gemstone producers and explorers. Significantly lower price where obtainable for both rough and polished stones and many gem producers had no option but to put of their operations on care and maintenance as their produce was only able to be sold at vastly reduced prices. Existing inventories had to be markedly written down due to the lower mark value and it was simply a case of battening down the hatches. As for the explorers who didn't have the luxury of yet being producers with no inventory to fall back on and the continued cost of exploration in a depressed market, many fell by the wayside as they did not have the funds for continued exploration without production revenues and even if the were producing it was just a small amount which had to be sold at depressed prices to fund further exploration.

If you care to look at the share price of some of diamond/gemstone producers/explorers on say the AIM market such as Gem Diamonds, Petra Diamonds, Namakwa Diamonds, Firestone Diamonds, African Diamonds, Tanzanite One, Gemfields amongst many more you will see a noticeable decline in the SP around July/Aug/Sept 2008 and this is a direct result of the recession and the impact it had on the gemstone market in general. This downward trend continued until the latter part of 2009 where the gemstone market showed signs of revival which continues to the present day with no signs of stopping. This allowed many gemstone producers to start selling inventories at better prices for both rough and polished stones and exploration companies to obtain better prices for the little produce they have obtained from exploration and evaluation work of potential projects.

In the case of Tanzanite, I have been able to obtain, in one transaction 45.56 carats of top grade cut faceted vivid blue/purple with pink flashes consisting of 7 stones at $96 per carat directly from a source of a friend in Arusha. I have been reliably informed that this is the very same grade that Tanzanite One has been selling to sight and non sight holders at $190 per carat and there is no better grade. Therefore as an investment potential this is clear to see that I have very nearly doubled my money. Of course I need to get these stones lab tested but firstly I posed the question about Tanzanite testing kits for my own peace of mind but since it appears to be a difficult process I will send them to a lab to be tested. I have no doubt at all that the stone I currently have are the real thing as I know for a fact that my contact will not lead me a merry dance.

It appears that the posters here are just lovers of gems and there is no harm in that at all but I fail to see why some blatantly refuse to see that there is no investment potential in Tanzanite nor any other gem given the fact of the depressed gemstone market in general during the recent recession.

It seems that my indication regarding gems as investment has been met with resentment and the main question regarding a Tanzanite testing kit, for my own peace of mind, has largely been ignored and I am considered not worthy if my main intention is to benefit fiancially out of my interest in gems.

Sorry.
?[/quote]






You know, it is my only feeling but your post appears...unthankful, I can not find a better word. You asked a question; you got an honest answer from higly knowledgeable people. Just because answers were not the ones that you expected to get does not mean that you should get frustrated.

Apart from being knowledgeable, PS-ers are very gracious. They take pride in their stones but they also take time to say something nice about everyone's stones and try to support budding collectors. It is your choice whether to accept their advices or browse other forums but really, you should not assume such a stance. For one, they spent time answering your question and some of them (like Lisa) are cutters and they could have used their time working - if you consider how much they might have earned posting their answers, it could amount to a significant sum!

Sorry the quote somehow did not come out highlighted but I do not want to repost - just not want to use more of forum's computer space.

 

[zeolite]

How to test for tanzanite? The main problem is detecting synthetic forsterite.
One method is this Hanneman tanzanite filter

http://www.mineralab.com/Tanzanite_Filter.htmhttp://www.mineralab.com/Tanzanite_Filter.htm

Another is using a refractometer (GIA, $900). The optical properties of synthetic forsterite, in the article below, are enough lower to be able to detect it by Refractive Index:

http://www.professionaljeweler.com/archives/articles/1999/sep99/0999gg2.html

On the subject of tanzanite investment, I’m sure PS readers have no concept of how expensive tanzanite was in the early to mid 1980s. Pala was selling some superb 8 to 18 carat tanzanites for a mere $1500/ct to $1800/ct in 1984. To be fair, the color/ quality was far beyond what has been mined since1988. But for perhaps quality then that can still be found today, lets say the price then was $1100/ct. Correcting for inflation, that $1100/ct then would equal $2454/ct in today’s dollars. So from 1984, in inflation adjusted terms, tanzanite prices have crashed by 80%! It would be extremely difficult (if not impossible) to find a worse gemstone investment than tanzanite!

I have 3 superb tanzanites in the 7-19 ct range, plus more modest color (including a fine green) in smaller sizes. So it would be nice for me if they would appreciate in price.

But coming from collecting fine gems for 25 years, I think buying ANY gemstone for investment, is a HUGE mistake.

Right now there is a huge glut of tanzanite on the market. The rough prices have been so high for at least 8 years, that it is easy to find a fine finished cut gem for ½ the insane asking price of tanzanite rough. I don’t understand how the miners can find any buyers at today’s rough prices.

But I really believe, far into the future (10 years or later from now), that tanzanite will re-assume its true value. There is only one location the world where it is found, and I don’t believe another source (of comparable color and quality) will be found anywhere else.

 

[RockHugger]

I saw a few times above where people mentioned tools to test stones. I am confused....

As for tanzanite...I have about 80cts of the stuff sitting around. I stopped buying because the treatments are going beyong my testing capabilities (coating, and rumors of synthetics). The only way to accurately test for those is a lab. I used a refractometer to make sure its tanzanite and not an immitation.

anywho...doesnt seem like this thread is going in a good direction, so thats all I am saying about that LOL.

Good luck guys!

 

[lelser]

Date: 2/20/2010 11:02:19 AM
Author: LovingDiamonds
WOW what an incredibly defensive post!


We''re ''just lovers of gems''? You''re sneering comment is actually completely and utterly wrong. You''re on a board crammed full of lapidarists, gemstone sellers and enthusiastic collectors (of many years). Of the people who have had the decency to reply to you, 5 are either gemstone sellers or lapidarists! If you believe that we are all wrong and you''re correct then fine. No problem. Time will prove us correct despite what you read or how you interpret statistics! I think there are many here who will disagree that there''s been an 80% drop in either price, sales or availability!


You say we responded with ''resentment''? What????? Why on earth would we do that? Resent you for what? Just for the record - we all responded when you asked again about a Tanzanite testing kit so to be quite so blatently rude to those who have tried to help is incredibly antagonist.


I have an incredible amount of Tanzanite but unlike you I''m realistic that it won''t be an investment no matter what I bought it at because it still has to be sold on. Gemstones are only worth what somebody will pay. If you feel you have the contacts to double your investment (less of course the laboratory fees) then I wish you well.

I find it a coincidence that an Ebay seller came on here pushing investment Tanz, was kicked off, and shortly thereafter this new poster joined to push investment Tanzanite. Just a coincidence I''m sure.

 

[LD]

Date: 2/20/2010 2:02:18 PM
Author: lelser

Date: 2/20/2010 11:02:19 AM
Author: LovingDiamonds

WOW what an incredibly defensive post!


We''re ''just lovers of gems''? You''re sneering comment is actually completely and utterly wrong. You''re on a board crammed full of lapidarists, gemstone sellers and enthusiastic collectors (of many years). Of the people who have had the decency to reply to you, 5 are either gemstone sellers or lapidarists! If you believe that we are all wrong and you''re correct then fine. No problem. Time will prove us correct despite what you read or how you interpret statistics! I think there are many here who will disagree that there''s been an 80% drop in either price, sales or availability!


You say we responded with ''resentment''? What????? Why on earth would we do that? Resent you for what? Just for the record - we all responded when you asked again about a Tanzanite testing kit so to be quite so blatently rude to those who have tried to help is incredibly antagonist.


I have an incredible amount of Tanzanite but unlike you I''m realistic that it won''t be an investment no matter what I bought it at because it still has to be sold on. Gemstones are only worth what somebody will pay. If you feel you have the contacts to double your investment (less of course the laboratory fees) then I wish you well.

I find it a coincidence that an Ebay seller came on here pushing investment Tanz, was kicked off, and shortly thereafter this new poster joined to push investment Tanzanite. Just a coincidence I''m sure.

Incredibly coincidental!

Anybody pushing Tanzanite as an investment needs their heads examining anyway and they''re most definitely on the wrong board if they think they can convince sensible sane people otherwise!

 

[FrekeChild]

Date: 2/20/2010 12:52:20 PM
Author: Karltin26
Thanks for your reply but you obviously know nothing about the depressed gemstone market or the stock markets nor make the effort to research it given the fact that I have given you some signposts directing you there.

Also, thanks for the insult indicating to me being ''unrealistic'', maybe it you who may have it wrong but you and your ''5'' experts here obviously know what best and what the future holds.

Fact is that top grade Tanzanite accounts for approx less than 2% of all mined production and as we know Tanzanite is only found in one place in the world. If this continues to be the case and production decreases it is clearly obvious that the demand for top grade Tanzanite will increase therefore this will have a very positive effect on the obtainable carat price.

You can spin the old yarn that ''what if they find another source'' but I do not buy into that as they have yet to find another source in the last 30/40+ years. Infact Tanzanite has been likened to such gems as true Paraiba Tourmaline and genuine Alexandrite which we all know fetches very high carat prices. Taking this into consideration plus the fact that approx less than 2% of all mined produce is top grade and it is quite possible that no other source will be found it would be folly to think that there is no investment potential in top grade Tanzanite.

If you and the pro''s here seriously think the opposite I suggest you contact all the major Tanzanite dealers and inform them that their evaluations and predictions are very optimistic and they are wasting their time.

Again, sorry for asking my original question and I will contact you in a few years time when I can state ''I told you so''

Good luck.

No, good luck to you (not so) kind sir. I believe you''re going to need it.

Everything else has been said, but for the record, I''m with LovingDiamonds.

 

[Ella]

Please keep it civil and without personal insults.

 

[RockHugger]

I must have missed the other thread!

 

[Arcadian]

Date: 2/20/2010 9:18:44 PM
Author: RockHugger
I must have missed the other thread!

You and me both.

-A