Taxes

[strmrdr]

Tax his land, tax his wage, Tax the bed in which he lays. Tax his tractor, tax his mule, Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow, tax his goat, Tax his pants, tax his coat. Tax his ties, tax his shirts, Tax his work, tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco, tax his drink, Tax him if he tries to think. Tax his booze, tax his beers, If he cries, tax his tears.
Tax his bills, tax his gas, Tax his notes, tax his cash. Tax him good and let him know That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, tax him more, Tax him until he''s good and sore. Tax his coffin, tax his grave, Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb, "Taxes drove me to my doom!" And when he''s gone, we won''t relax,
We''ll still be after the inheritance TAX
Hey maybe you''ll get a refund!!

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (43 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax


COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in
the world, had tiny national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids

 

[cinnabar]

I''d never heard of a Well Permit Tax, so I googled it. The only hits I can find are for a zillion sites saying exactly what the above post says (ie Republican rants about how Democrats want to ruin the country even more).

Is there such a tax? Or was it just made up to make the list longer?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/30/2005 8:37:03 PM
Author: cinnabar
I''d never heard of a Well Permit Tax, so I googled it. The only hits I can find are for a zillion sites saying exactly what the above post says (ie Republican rants about how Democrats want to ruin the country even more).


Is there such a tax? Or was it just made up to make the list longer?

Yes there are places you need a permit to dig or drill a well which they charge for.
Same thing as a building permit.

 

[strmrdr]

"How Do I Get a Permit to Drill a Well on My Property?
In Placer County only licensed well drilling contractors (C-57) can apply for and receive a permit to drill a water well.

The driller fills out an application and pays the permit fee. The application, once approved by the Environmental Health District Specialist, becomes the permit.

The application will have attached a site plan showing the proposed well location(s) and horizontal distances to any potential sources of pollution such as septic systems, sewer lines, etc.

How Much Is the Permit Fee?
Currently, the fee is $304.00 per well. Effective July 1, 1998, the fee will increase to $311.00. Typically, the fee is increased by the Consumer Price Index (CPI) every fiscal year."


http://www.placer.ca.gov/permits/wells.htm

there you go

 

[cinnabar]

So is it a tax, or just a charge for a permit? Same with the marriage license "tax". Charging people for stuff is just business, which I thought the Right was all in favor of?

If nothing were ever taxed, where would the money come from to fund illegal invasions of other countries?

 

[movie zombie]

i don''t have a problem with these taxes. they pay for lots of things we take for granted: roads, clean water, schools, etc.

100 years ago we had child labor, more than a 40 hour work week, workers locked into buildings which then caught on fire, etc. and women only stayed at home with kids if they were married to wealthy men...the rest were out in the factories, cleaning houses, working the fields. oh, and women couldn''t vote and in some cases couldn''t own property.

yes, let''s go back to the good old days but this time let''s have the wealthy be poor and men be women.

peace, movie zombie

 

[movie zombie]

yes, marriage license, well permit, septic permit, building permit are all just that: permission to proceed in a healthy way and not impede the rights and/or health of ones neighbors. a libertarian or other could call this a ''tax''.

what i''ve seen is that most people don''t mind the permits as much as they mind the rising costs of such permits. and these costs have risen as the amount of taxes the wealthy and corporations decreases.

fire codes, building codes, etc. all enhance my life and the lives of my neighbors.

peace, movie zombie

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/30/2005 8:45:38 PM
Author: cinnabar
So is it a tax, or just a charge for a permit? Same with the marriage license ''tax''. Charging people for stuff is just business, which I thought the Right was all in favor of?

When the goverment does it its a tax no two ways about it.

 

[fire&ice]

You failed to mention the occupancy tax.

Also, I wonder if these unmarried people pay taxes on their engagement ring gift over 10k if the marriage does not happen within a year. I''d reckon a no.

And, a good deal of the building code protects NO ONE. Anyone have deadbolts?

Though on the flip side, I am a proponent of the well/septic permits. This impacts us all.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 9/30/2005 8:56:32 PM
Author: movie zombie
i don't have a problem with these taxes. they pay for lots of things we take for granted: roads, clean water, schools, etc.

100 years ago we had child labor, more than a 40 hour work week, workers locked into buildings which then caught on fire, etc. and women only stayed at home with kids if they were married to wealthy men...the rest were out in the factories, cleaning houses, working the fields. oh, and women couldn't vote and in some cases couldn't own property.

yes, let's go back to the good old days but this time let's have the wealthy be poor and men be women.

Wonderfully put. You said it all. I have no problem with taxes that pay for the public good, including medicine and medical care for everyone as well as subsidies to allow all people to have food and shelter. Western Europe does just that.

My grandmother, who lived in the "good old days" before these newfangled taxes and this welfare state, was one of about 8 or 9 children (second oldest). Her mother was widowed early in life and had to raise the children on her own. She took in laundry; all the children helped. But my poor grandmother, who had desperately wanted to become a nurse, had to go to work in a factory at age 13. They needed her wages; she couldn't continue in school. She was, then, the age my daughter is now. My daughter is protected in eighth grade in middle school (due to taxes and the welfare state).

I pity my grandmother. She was a fine woman, a wonderful woman. I adored her, as did all her grandchildren. She never complained because that was how life was back then, for her and everyone she knew. I feel it was wrong to take away her childhood and send her to work in a factory.

During World war II she returned to work in a factory to help the war effort. Now that I applaud. That was a choice. She still had a husband at that point (although he was to die at age 60 in 1951) and her children were grown. Great woman. Never had anything but hard work and loved her family. I wish I could have protected her when she was 13, though, as I can, now, protect my daughter. She was just a vulnerable little girl at 13, too.

Deb

 

[partgypsy]

I agree, that the middle class increasingly pays a disproportionate amount of the taxes in this country. My view is, that one the taxes are not too high, but the distribution of those taxes are inequitable. We had a much stronger country after the war when there was less inequity in people''s pay, and everyone paid their fair share (that includes the extremely wealthy and corporations). While productivity is booming corporations are getting the lion''s share of profits, the average worker the scraps (along with less job security, disappearing pensions) yet corporation''s tax burden is at an all time low.

Business Week reported that in 1940, companies and individuals split the federal income tax bill equally. Corporations now pay only 13.7% of the federal income tax bill and individuals pay 86.3%.

 

[Momoftwo]

And if you want real equality then everyone would pay the same percentage, but they don''t. Something like the top 25% pay 95% of taxes. How exactly is that fair? Corporations getting tax breaks is what allows businesses and the economy to grow. Without them we would have extreme inflation.

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 10/17/2005 10:10:07 PM
Author: Momoftwo
And if you want real equality then everyone would pay the same percentage, but they don''t. Something like the top 25% pay 95% of taxes. How exactly is that fair? Corporations getting tax breaks is what allows businesses and the economy to grow. Without them we would have extreme inflation.

i respect your voicing your opinion, Momoftwo, however, imo tax breaks to the oil companies that have so much $$$ they have admitted they don''t know how to spend it certainly does not make any sense. additionally, given the tax breaks already given, we should have a really booming economy....but we don''t.

corporate welfare paid for by the middle class is what we have and it certainly has not resulted in a growing economy.

education for a future work force, roads to transport goods, dams that provide drinking water for communities hundreds of miles away, safety codes and permits that mean we here in california live and work in structures that don''t topple from earthquakes, permits for wells and septic that protect not just me but my neighbors from my perhaps carelessness re their health, etc. all seem to me to be valid ''taxes''. i don''t mind paying my fair share....but the shrinking amount the corporations are paying and the excuse that they are providing a thriving economy is such a myth. btw, we do have inflation, soon to become extreme inflation. greenspan knows it and it is anticipated that the next increase by the fed in november is going to be more than we''ve seen in a very long time.

i do feel bad for the small business owners. many in this area have figured out they''ve been had and their real economic interest lies with the middle class. and i don''t think this is just a current administration issue despite that i think this administration has taken it to extreme.

peace, movie zombie

 

[fire&ice]

Well, while I can not speak for huge corporations, I can speak for a modest one. Tax breaks/cut DO CREATE jobs & well paying middle class ones.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 10/17/2005 10:10:07 PM
Author: Momoftwo
And if you want real equality then everyone would pay the same percentage

Well...that would be one way to look at, "equality". Another might be that all people should have the same income after taxes.

Deb

 

[cinnabar]

When is a tax not a tax?

I presume strm will side with the diplomats as he considers any "charge" levied by any part of the "government" to be a tax. I side with the embassy because I too think that if British diplomats pay road toll charges in America, then US (and German, and any other) diplomats are not exempt from this expense.

But if we''re getting right down to brass tacks, I don''t think diplomats should be exempt from any tax in any country in which they live and work. That''s just a big perk, and they''re hardly underpaid in the first place. They must all have been slapping themselves on the back when they wrote that particular clause into the Vienna Convention.


source


Diplomats snub congestion charge

A diplomatic incident has broken out over US and German embassy staff refusing to pay the London congestion charge.

Diplomats at both embassies have been instructed not to pay the £8 daily charge as it is believed to be an illegal tax under international law.

But the office for London''s Mayor Ken Livingstone said embassy staff were breaking the law by not paying up.

A US embassy spokeswoman said: "We consider it a tax and it is the view of the US Government that all direct taxes on diplomats, including this one, are prohibited by the Vienna Convention."

The decision to stop paying the charge was taken in spring but non-payment began July 1, she added.

The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations 1961, which assures diplomatic immunity, exempts diplomats from paying national, regional and local taxes.

A German Embassy spokesman said: "We received a memo from Berlin several months ago which explained that the congestion charge is considered to be a tax and therefore diplomats are exempt."

He added it was only diplomatic staff with embassy vehicles who were not paying the tax. British staff with private cars pay.

But a spokesman for the Mayor said: "The congestion charge is not a tax. It is a charge for a service.

"All staff at the American embassy should pay the congestion charge, in the same way as British officials pay road tolls in the United States. To refuse to do so in either case is to break the law of the host country."




(the "congestion charge" was introduced by the Lord Mayor of London in an attempt to reduce the amount of traffic in the capital, by discouraging cars and encouraging more people to use public transport. According to my in-laws who live in London, it has been surprisingly successful)