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justginger|1392688447|3617488 said:momhappy|1392687154|3617463 said:justginger|1392683718|3617382 said:momhappy|1392682719|3617368 said:rosetta|1392679820|3617310 said:I only wear it on special occasions, never at home or at work. I like it, but I have been careful about not becoming dependent on it. Yeah, my face isn't perfect, but if my husband can go around bare faced then surely I have enough confidence to do the same.
I get what you're saying, but this isn't really an apples to apples comparison. In general, men don't wear make-up, so to say that since men don't wear make-up, then you should be ok with it too is simply not the same thing. That would be like me saying that I should be ok with not shaving my legs because my husband doesn't shave his….
There are women I know who don't shave, and that's exactly what they say, so it's an on-point comparison. They may not be mainstream, and it may not be for me, but I think every woman has the right to buck whatever social trend they wish to, without being bullied or shamed by other women.
I didn't say that every woman shaves. I was talking about societal norms (one of which is that it is appropriate for women to wear make-up . Another of which is that it is appropriate for women to shave their legs). That doesn't mean that women who choose not to do either/or of those things are somehow wrong. It's a personal preference, but society still dictates what might the considered normal and what might not be. I still do not believe that it is an apples to apples comparison. An apples to apples comparison would be something that (in general - which again does not mean all) both men and women do - like comb/brush/fix their hair for example.
And as far as bullying women - the same could be said for the whole you-should-be-comfortable-in-your-own-skin mentality. Isn't that the same thing? Telling/bullying women that they should be happy with themselves without make-up, without shaving, without grooming, etc.? Who is anyone to say how/why a woman should be happy? If a woman is happy/confident wearing make-up, then it should be equally as okay for a woman to feel happy/confident without wearing make-up. Neither choice is wrong and neither woman should be made to feel that she should or shouldn't be happy one way or the other.
You are exactly right, it's really a 'people vary,' situation, a fine line between trying to go against a billion dollar industry by encouraging women to see their own beauty, and shaming them out of using products that legitimately bring them happiness. I just cringe when I hear girls in the prime of beautiful, clear-skinned youth lamenting that they can't possibly go to dinner straight after work, they MUST go home to their full makeup stash, hot rollers, curler, flatiron, whatever...because otherwise, "I'll look hideous." A 25 year old coworker said those exact words to me YESTERDAY. Those ladies are not happier of their own accord wearing makeup, they're worried about what other people will say and think about them if they don't apply, and reapply, and reapply.
We have a friend who actually married someone, and he never once saw her barefaced. She reapplied before bed, woke up before him, locked herself in the bathroom to shower and reapply, and then she worked all day as a makeup girl, reapplying all day long. I hate being part of a society capable of doing that to a beautiful lady.
momhappy|1392693054|3617564 said:justginger|1392688447|3617488 said:momhappy|1392687154|3617463 said:justginger|1392683718|3617382 said:momhappy|1392682719|3617368 said:rosetta|1392679820|3617310 said:I only wear it on special occasions, never at home or at work. I like it, but I have been careful about not becoming dependent on it. Yeah, my face isn't perfect, but if my husband can go around bare faced then surely I have enough confidence to do the same.
I get what you're saying, but this isn't really an apples to apples comparison. In general, men don't wear make-up, so to say that since men don't wear make-up, then you should be ok with it too is simply not the same thing. That would be like me saying that I should be ok with not shaving my legs because my husband doesn't shave his….
There are women I know who don't shave, and that's exactly what they say, so it's an on-point comparison. They may not be mainstream, and it may not be for me, but I think every woman has the right to buck whatever social trend they wish to, without being bullied or shamed by other women.
I didn't say that every woman shaves. I was talking about societal norms (one of which is that it is appropriate for women to wear make-up . Another of which is that it is appropriate for women to shave their legs). That doesn't mean that women who choose not to do either/or of those things are somehow wrong. It's a personal preference, but society still dictates what might the considered normal and what might not be. I still do not believe that it is an apples to apples comparison. An apples to apples comparison would be something that (in general - which again does not mean all) both men and women do - like comb/brush/fix their hair for example.
And as far as bullying women - the same could be said for the whole you-should-be-comfortable-in-your-own-skin mentality. Isn't that the same thing? Telling/bullying women that they should be happy with themselves without make-up, without shaving, without grooming, etc.? Who is anyone to say how/why a woman should be happy? If a woman is happy/confident wearing make-up, then it should be equally as okay for a woman to feel happy/confident without wearing make-up. Neither choice is wrong and neither woman should be made to feel that she should or shouldn't be happy one way or the other.
You are exactly right, it's really a 'people vary,' situation, a fine line between trying to go against a billion dollar industry by encouraging women to see their own beauty, and shaming them out of using products that legitimately bring them happiness. I just cringe when I hear girls in the prime of beautiful, clear-skinned youth lamenting that they can't possibly go to dinner straight after work, they MUST go home to their full makeup stash, hot rollers, curler, flatiron, whatever...because otherwise, "I'll look hideous." A 25 year old coworker said those exact words to me YESTERDAY. Those ladies are not happier of their own accord wearing makeup, they're worried about what other people will say and think about them if they don't apply, and reapply, and reapply.
We have a friend who actually married someone, and he never once saw her barefaced. She reapplied before bed, woke up before him, locked herself in the bathroom to shower and reapply, and then she worked all day as a makeup girl, reapplying all day long. I hate being part of a society capable of doing that to a beautiful lady.
While you bring up some good points, justginger, I can't help but notice the judgmental tone of your posts. You have mentioned that you not only dislike women who wear a full-face of make-up, but that you avoid them because they are shallow, catty, etc. Yes, it's sad that society puts pressure on women to be beautiful, but it's also sad to hear someone say that they avoid interactions with women based on their appearance. As I mentioned before, women should be made to feel ok with their choices whether or not they are a gorgeous 24 year-old with a full-face of make-up or a 40-something wearing chapstick…
I hope that you take my posts in the spirit in which they are intended. I appreciate the dialogue and while we may not agree, I certainly respect your opinions
MyDiamondSparkles|1392689405|3617512 said:To each her own, if it makes you happy (not shaving, throwing away your hair straightener and going with natural curly hair, no make up, whatever) I say go for it.
GlamMosher|1392721340|3617717 said:MyDiamondSparkles|1392689405|3617512 said:To each her own, if it makes you happy (not shaving, throwing away your hair straightener and going with natural curly hair, no make up, whatever) I say go for it.
Well whilst we are all flapping our hands at JG, to be honest, I find the above statement much more offensive than anything else said. I am both a makeup wearer (ex Chanel employee) and have curly hair. To put having curly hair in the same realm as unshaved legs like we are somehow less groomed is pretty offensive! Why would anyone prefer to fry their hair than wear it in beautiful curls, I say!
GlamMosher|1392721340|3617717 said:MyDiamondSparkles|1392689405|3617512 said:To each her own, if it makes you happy (not shaving, throwing away your hair straightener and going with natural curly hair, no make up, whatever) I say go for it.
Well whilst we are all flapping our hands at JG, to be honest, I find the above statement much more offensive than anything else said. I am both a makeup wearer (ex Chanel employee) and have curly hair. To put having curly hair in the same realm as unshaved legs like we are somehow less groomed is pretty offensive! Why would anyone prefer to fry their hair than wear it in beautiful curls, I say!
GlamMosher|1392721340|3617717 said:MyDiamondSparkles|1392689405|3617512 said:To each her own, if it makes you happy (not shaving, throwing away your hair straightener and going with natural curly hair, no make up, whatever) I say go for it.
Well whilst we are all flapping our hands at JG, to be honest, I find the above statement much more offensive than anything else said. I am both a makeup wearer (ex Chanel employee) and have curly hair. To put having curly hair in the same realm as unshaved legs like we are somehow less groomed is pretty offensive! Why would anyone prefer to fry their hair than wear it in beautiful curls, I say!
Polished|1392801482|3618436 said:Make-up ladies - any tips on minimal eye make up to just add a little expression and definition?
canuk-gal|1392676459|3617268 said:Amber St. Clare|1392675723|3617253 said:I love make up and applying it. My eyes are a strange color--neither blue nor green nor hazel so I have fun experimenting with various color eye shadows. My eyelashes have thinned over the years and I need mascara. At the risk of sounding like a braggart I have really good skin and don't need foundation--so unless it's the evening I just put some blush on. Lipstick/gloss?--last time I counted I had 36 different colors {all in the rose shade].
For me make up is something fun to do. I find Chanel make up {especially the eye shadows} go on evenly and more importantly, LAST thru the day or night. I wish I had a daughter to share my passion but I have to settle for my nieces.
I love to use eye shadow as eye liner. Do you? I am handy with my MAC angled eye brush. Brushes are also a good investment! Chanel has delish lipsticks and glosses.
cheers--Sharon
Sparklelu|1392830682|3618603 said:I recently let my hair go to its new natural color, GREY. I love the color and the style, and I dont think it really makes me look older. But it does tend to wash me out.... So I spike up my hair and add color to my face, foundation, bronzer, eye makeup and lipstick. I feel like I am putting my best face foward.
ksinger|1392853829|3618904 said:
CJ2008|1392854968|3618912 said:I don't wear makeup on an every day basis, but I should...it does make me look better...on days when I do the minimum - some foundation, mascara, eyeliner, gloss - I do look more polished and put together. I like that feeling.