The Official TTC Thread!

[AmberWaves]

Date: 11/15/2008 11:54:00 AM
Author: Festy

Date: 11/15/2008 10:18:33 AM

Author: *Lindsey*

Wow so I went over to the bump forums to see what you guys were talking about -- WOW. So glad I have PS and FertilityFriend. I''ve never encountered any mean ladies like what I see on the bump. Maybe those preggo ladies are totally miserable? Scary!

Um, I did too, against my better judgment.

[Staggers around in a daze while trying to shake off the hate] I love you guys.


CD 14

Ywah, imagine what a shock it is to see your "usually" (said in quotes because I don''t know which BFF I know anymore, the mean one or the nice one?) BFF going around being cruel for entertainment. SAD.

Also, let me share: My dog has gotten himself stuck to the sticky mousetrap THREE TIMES. Good thing I know oil helps remove the stick. Still, you should see him laying there miserable as I grab his paw to remove the sticky. I tell him, "If you would just listen to me, you wouldn''t be stick in this situation." Of course, he gives me the sad eye and I let him lick my hand to console himself.

 

[Festy]

Gee Amber, that must be an odd feeling. Are you absolutely sure it''s your friend? If she''s friends with you she can''t be ALL bad.

So, I''ve had two high temperatures. If I have another one tomorrow I will have O''d on CD 13 and my mind will officially be blown. Remember how I was bitching about O pain a couple of days ago and thought it was all in my head? Apparently it wasn''t...unless I''m in for a fake-out. If I did O, I don''t feel like it was a "good" one. I never noticed any EWCM, just watery. On the other hand, I wasn''t really checking my CM until CD 11 or so, so who knows.

How''s everyone else this morning? How are my chart buddies?

CD 15 http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/22404b

 

[fisherofmengirly]

Hey everyone,

So, it looks like it will take a few more days'' temps. to see what''s going on with my ovulation for this cycle. It could have been CD 16 (which is early for me) or it could have been yesterday CD 19, which is closer to my usual. Not quite sure yet. My temps this whole cycle have been odd and a little off my what I''m used to.

Either way, I just hope one of those days ends up proving to be a confirmed O.

Festy, I hope you get your crosshairs soon. It''s such a relief to see them.

I never could find anything mean on the Bump site. Hmph. I didn''t search long. It''s set up weird.

 

[littlelysser]

Good morning ladies!

Hope everyone is doing well. Temp was up this morning, so I''m hoping I''ll get a couple more higher temps and get some crosshairs! My back has been AWFUL these past few days...which has made our every day DTD a bit difficult, but we are getting it done. But man, my back is KILLING me! This may be TMI, but last night I was going to beg off due to the fact that I''m kind of waling like a duck, but I checked my CM and it was nutso EWCM. I just *couldn''t* let it go to waste! I''m a trooper. hehee.

Oh, and once I get my etsy site up and running, I''ll let you guys know! You all rock! I so appreciate the positive feedback!!!

Also, holy mean bump batman!!!! Wow. I looked around a bit and was COMPLETELY blown away. Really made me realize how good we have things here. You ladies are all pretty fantastic.

Hey - How do I attach my FF homepage? cause I totally will. I''m just technically very very very deficient.

CC - You are my hero regarding your restraint! I only lasted two cycles not charting and temping. FWIW, I didn''t buy TCOYF - just used FF. Oh, and even though DH knows what we''ve got to do, he''s a pretty good sport. Even when it sort of starts as a chore (which sometimes it does), we both end up having fun...so yeah. And really, I don''t think how you are feeling is weird at all! It is a big step to go from not not trying and actively charting and trying. Kind of scary.

in-luv - It is amazing the fertility "tips" there are out there. Completely useless, really. Argh. Hope you are having a good weekend!

BB - Hope you are having a fun weekend! Also, hope you O''d and got lots of DTD in!

Festy - Ya know, I don''t know that I''ve ever felt O pain. I''ve read about it, laughed at the name (middleshmertz, really?), but I just don''t know that I''ve ever felt it. Here''s to hoping for cross-hairs!!! Also, how did you pick your user name? It always make me think of Festivus, the holiday George''s dad created on Seinfeld.

Sabine - Good thoughts heading your way. And like Festy, DD and Dr.K said, you are NOT out this month!! But I understand that this "journey" can be really hard. and that stinks.

Dr.K - I''d love to hear more about the correlation between temps and O strength.

Amber - That stinks about your bestie. That place is just nuts. So strange how different people can be online instead of IRL. Weird. Also, CONGRATS on the book. I really like the idea you''re going to use! I think it is going to be great! Also, I *really* wouldn''t worry about not wanting it enough. From what I know of you, you do, and you''ll be an amazing mom. ''nough said.

Fisher - Hope you get O confirmation SOON!! It does seem like your cycle is regulating and getting shorter - so that''s awesome!

Peony - You out there? Doing alright?

CD16.

 

[ChinaCat]

Happy Sunday morning ladies. It finally has gotten a bit cold here, and I love it. DH and I slept in this morning, I took my dog for a walk, and now we are on the couch with coffee and the paper. I love Sundays.

Little- Did you throw your back out? Did I miss something? Or is it crampy? I have a weird ailment too- I think I pulled a muscle in my butt- don''t ask me how. but it constantly hurts, even when sitting or sleeping. I keep making DH rub it, hah!

That''s so funny that we are all "on with the show", no matter what. I am in the potential ovulation window, so I am trying to DTD every day or every other day, but without announcing to DH what I''m doing. He knows we are trying without trying, but I am just trying to avoid making it feel like we have to do it, until we get to that point. But it makes me totally the aggressor, which is funny. Not that it''s always him, but more often that not, so I keep waiting for him to go "Again?" But luckily, he''s a boy and probably doesn''t think that far about it!

I feel so much better about it now that we''ve BD on target. I get how temping helps with all of the control freak tendencies that we all apparently have. I think I have decided to start temping next time, just to know what''s going on. I have my regular check up with my OB and I think I need to know if I''m ovulating or not. I have a close friend who wasn''t ovulating and caught it right away b/c she was temping and such- it was only a thyroid issue and they cleared it right up, but what if she didn''t know and wasn''t ovulating for all of these months that she was trying without trying, like me? So better to have all of the info.

I think I have self-restraint b/c I am so aware of how much our lives will change. Fisher, your comment to your DH is exactly what I am talking about! We spent yesterday with friends and their 9 month old baby- and wow, it''s just a full-time job. They have to eat in shifts, and she literally didn''t do anything but hold or talk to the baby. Now I know it''s different when it''s yours, and I know it''s worth it, but it''s hard to imagine. Now, I think/hope my DH and I will be the type of parents that aren''t afraid to get a baby-sitter and have a life, but still.

Amber- That is so weird about your friend. That would really trip me out. I guess it depends on your friend though- are you surprised? Like I have some friends that it wouldn''t surprise me as much, but my BFF? No way. Pregnancy seems to bring out some weird emotions among friends. There definitely are some weird competition and odd feelings that surface that I wasn''t expecting. Btw, wanting it enough has nothing to do with it!!! And you absolutely will make a great mom- besides being compassionate and hilarious, your story about your doggie says it all.

Festy and Fisher- how long have you been temping? Just curious b/c I guess I assumed that once you figured out when you O, then it''s usually around the same time everytime, but sounds like that''s not true. Hoping for crosshairs for both of you.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 11/16/2008 11:25:36 AM
Author: ChinaCat

Festy and Fisher- how long have you been temping? Just curious b/c I guess I assumed that once you figured out when you O, then it''s usually around the same time everytime, but sounds like that''s not true. Hoping for crosshairs for both of you.

Some women have regular ranges for O-ing... like between CD13 and 15 every month. But just as many have a wider window, up to a week. This is why "rhythm" methods don''t work, because they assume that it is the same for every woman every month.

Also, you really don''t need to temp if you don''t want to... you can monitor you CF and gain enough information to get KTFU just from that (do it on days you get fertile CF

). But that won''t confirm ovulation, which obviously is a nice reassurance to most of us.

Festy you don''t need EW to get preggo! Watery is the same thing.

 

[fisherofmengirly]

I will add in that you can''t just assume when you Ovulate; at least a lot of women can''t. Many don''t have a cycle that is the exact same each month, and if it''s not, there''s no way to know when you may O. I mean, until you get the signs (CM, temp) that show it.

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Festy,

I have never in my life seen EW. Maybe I have it and have no clue what I''m looking for, but I just put Watery into FF and it works just fine. I mean, I can''t say it''s resulted in a positive, but I''m confident it will.

***
Amber, I forgot to put this in earlier, but I''m a writer too and think your novel idea is wonderful. Good luck with it. Are you planning to write all the odd chapters first, then the evens? I would be too confused slipping between past and present. I''d do one and then the other and then split into chapters after I had it all done, to see what would create for the most drama between past and present. You know us readers love to end a chapter with drama leading to the next.

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LL,

I think on the previous page (or maybe the one before that) someone posted how you can put your FF link on here. I''ve not tried it yet because I, too, am lacking in the computer tech. area.

I''m hopeful that my cycles are still shortening up a bit. However, 35 is a blessing compared to that 60 dayer I had during the summer!!

I hope your back is feeling better soon, and that your "efforts" pay off this go-round!

 

[littlelysser]

Thanks for the well wishes re: the back, CC and Fisher.

And nope CC - you didn't miss anything. I don't think I really did anything to it this time, I just have a crap back. I mucked it up when I was in college shoveling snow and now, 13 years later, it will just flare up. I have a funky disc, but nothing so bad that requires surgery...but there are times like these past couple days where it is just stinks. The muscles get all sore and tight and it hurts like mofo. Dumb stupid back. Hate it. Feh.

CC - I'm sorry for the sore butt. Hehee. Getting old blows...I swear I hurt myself getting out of bed sometimes! As for DTD during ovulation window, I'm pretty lucky in that DH knows what is going on, and well, he's a team player! So far, the trying has been quite enjoyable for him! And I know that finding out I was ovulating was very reassuring for me. If for no other reason than that, I'm glad I started temping. As for when I ovulate, usually between CD 14-17.


CD16 http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/216c86

I've got my homepage all set up - but I don't know how to get it so it shows up like a link. Lets see here.

eta, I think I got it!!

 

[fisherofmengirly]

ChinaCat,

I forgot to answer your question about how long I''ve been temping. This the third cycle that I''ve temped (I started earlier in the summer but didn''t follow through). I believe that I am still regulating after coming off the pill, though. It''s true that a lot of women will O either or or near the same day, but a whole lot don''t, which is why temping is such a good way to be informed.

 

[Festy]

Amber, I also forgot to mention your book - it sounds like a great idea!

Thanks, Fisher, glad your cycles seem to be shortening up...

Hey LL - They say the world is full of heroes, and you are one of them! Motoring through with a bad back...I really feel for you. Any chance DTD is causing your bad back? It''s been known to happen.

I can''t wait to see your etsy site! Here''s how you paste your FF homepage:

When you''re on the page with your chart, there should be a button at the top called Home Page Setup. Click on it. Your home page URL is shown at the top of that page. (And also in your browser''s address thingy).

Anyhoo, yes, middleshmertz cracks me up. Sounds like what my old Jewish aunt would''ve been named. And you''re right about Festy! Our cat is named Festivus.

CC - I love your approach to BDing. I''ve tried to do the same thing this go-round and DH has been such a champ. He left for a short business trip today and I joked with him that he''ll be glad to shake me off after clinging to him for the past few days. But he loves it...it''s great for his ego, even though he knows I have an agenda!

This is my second cycle of charting and temping. I assumed I would O on the same day that I did last cycle because the length of the LP is supposed to remain relatively constant. And even though I''ve only been charting a short time, I had been keeping track of my cycle length before that, and it was almost always 28 days. So put two and two together, and that gives the same O day, right? Guess not. Maybe I''ll have a shorter cycle this time or a longer LP.

CD 15

 

[fisherofmengirly]

I think your LP is supposed to be the same every month. So maybe this will be a shorter cycle for you, Festy.

 

[Sabine]

PSA: Target has the Britax Marathon car seat on sale for about $43 with free shipping. Posters on the bump are going crazy about it. I know we are all still trying, but I went ahead and ordered one because you really can''t beat that price. DH just made me promise to store it in the attic so we won''t be thinking about it too much. Sigh, can you tell I''m not doing to well with not obsessing over ttc?

And jff, here''s what happens to your temps if you totally throw off your sleep schedule, temp late, and have one alcoholic drink...

 

[fisherofmengirly]

Sabine, Yay for those crosshairs, girl.


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My chart this cycle is a hot mess. I thought I'd have crosshairs from ovulation on CD 16, but nope. I sure don't. Then I thought maybe the 19th day was my ovulation day. Hm, appears not. My temps are just so incredibly odd this cycle. Has me confused and befuddled (I love that word, but never get to use it).

Any analyzers out there?

ETA: I called a friend of mine at work who is preggo and told her about the carseat at Target that Sabine posted, then I checked the webpage. I can't find them. Maybe it was a one day only sale.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Fisher this may be a longer cycle for you

Sorry! It seems that sometimes in those types of charts the temps are all over the place then will settle into a lower range when the estrogen really picks up (in the pre-ovulatory week or so), followed by ovulation and then higher temps. Or you could ovulate tomorrow, who knows! Keep up the EOD and see what happens! What more can you so, right?

I wonder how sure you are about the watery CF? It seems unusual that you would have it when you did if ovulation has not ocurred... cound you be mistaking semen for CF?

 

[steph72276]

Good morning girls! Just a quick check in. I was supposed to start Saturday and AF was a no show. Last month I got way too excited about it, so I am not testing yet b/c I think my cycle just might be longer when not on the pill. So I am going to try to wait until Friday to test, but I am feeling a little yucky this morning, so who knows...this could be the month! I will keep you all updated. How is everyone else doing to start the week off?

 

[April20]

The system has eaten my post twice now, hopefully this one will stick.

Can I please ask the chart experts to take a peek at my chart?

Here''s the deal- first month off B/C, TTA.

I thought I was doing pretty darn good until this morning. FF has indicated ovulation occurred on Nov 3. I am also test driving Ovusoft, which indicated ovulation Nov 2. I theoretically am at 14 or 15 DPO. Until this morning. Entered my temp into FF and got a message that it now no longer detects ovuation. Entered it into Ovusoft and it still shows ovulation. Today''s temp was almost identical to yesterdays (97.22 vs 97.23). It had been 97.7ish the previous day and I feel like AF is coming, so was expecting the drop. However, my temps seem to have been going up and down all month.

I''m confused. Did I ovulate or did I not? No big deal if I didn''t, but it affects whether or not we are using b/c.

Thanks in advance and hopefull the above makes sense.

 

[InLuv101]

Good Monday Morning ladies!

Man, this thread was hopping this weekend. I usually take the weekend off to try to curb by obsessiveness about TTC. I have a lot to catch up on and will later this morning. From what I skimmed:

Sabine -- That is a great deal on that car seat. It would have been hard for me to pass up too. Hey, at least you've got it and don't have to worry about it in the future.

Amber -- That book sounds great! I love reading great fiction and am always looking for something a little different. I would definitely read it!

Festy -- Any updates on your cycle? I know you thought you may have O'd early. I know I usually do get ovualtion pain although I never knew it was ovualtion pain until I started charting and it showed up on ovulation date both months.

LL -- I hope you back is feeling better today.

Fisher -- My temps have been wacky this month too, wonder what gives...I hope you get those crosshairs soon!

Steph -- AFF being late is always a good sign! Fingers crossed for you!

*****************************
As for me...it's CD 14. I *should* O on Thursday and already having some EWCM so that's a good sign. The BD marathon starts tonight! My temps have just been so wacky this month though.

That seems to be a trend among a few of us. Hoping it calms down so FF can detect O. Here's my chart if anyone is interested..

 

[Festy]

Good morning!

So many charts to interpret on a sleepy Monday - I love it. I've attached mine, which is pretty straight forward. On to the 2ww, which I feel like I've gotten a head start on since I O'd earlier than expected. I'm hoping for a shorter cycle rather than a longer LP.

Sabine - those are some temps! Crazy. But hey, you O'd!

Fisher - Hmm, it does look like a longer cycle, doesn't it? Keep up the good work though! Fingers crossed that you'll O today!

Steph, that's very exciting! I'll try not to get too excited for you, as I know what a b**ch disappointment is. Please keep us posted...

Hi April, I think your chart is a little beyond my capabilities! I can see why you would have been given an O date of Nov. 3. And if you have a short-ish LP then the recent temp drop could just mean AF is on the way. I think this one calls for our resident super hero, DD. Since you're TTA, best to just assume you O'd. (Which is what I'd put my money on, if I had to).

ETA: Hey InLuv - we were posting at the same time...nice chart! Glad you had a good weekend, and good for you for staying away from the computer!

 

[April20]

I really, really hope I did. Because if I didn''t, well.... we''ve been accidentally TTC and my husband will freak out. I''m not telling him my quandry unless I confirm that I haven''t O''d!!!!

 

[littlelysser]

Morning guys.

On the plus side, my back feels way better today! Yay! And actually, Festy - DTD seems to help it a bit, believe it or not.

On the downside, my temp was down today. Which means I haven't O'd yet and I'm really freaking annoyed. Argh. I really thought I O'd yesterday or Saturday. Apparently not. I am so aggravated! Grrrr. Also, the nips are sore, which pretty much happens after/around the time I O. So I'm just confuzzled.

About the car seats - It was definitely a mistake on Target's part. I ordered one, only because my bestie called and harassed me about doing it - because it is so freaking cheap. It should be interesting to see if they honor it. They took it off the website shortly after I got my order in. So we shall see.

Fish - I'm sorry no crosshairs. That just stinks. My temps have been all over the map this cycle as well. Kind of utterly annoying. Sigh.

Sabine - yay for crosshairs!

Festy - nice looking chart! As for the posting a link thing - I knew how to get the home page going, I just didn't know how to post it as a link, that could be clicked on, as opposed to one that had to be cut and pasted into the browser. But I figured it out!

in-luv - Glad your weekend was TTC stress free! I wonder what is going on with the wackadoo temperatures running rampant these days. I will say the weather here has been entirely nutso...but I don't know that that could have anything to do with it.

Steph - Fingers crossed!

April - I'll defer to DD's thoughts on the matter of when/if you O'd. But I'm a bit confused about your post. You are TTA or TTC? Why would your DH freak out? And just because you had one cycle where you didn't ovulate, that definitely doesn't mean that is how it always is (particularly since this is your first month off the pill) - so I wouldn't plan your birth control around one cycle, if that makes sense. Also, since this is your first cycle off BCP, you may not ovulate or may. First cycle off BCP is often a wonky one - so I wouldn't put too much stock in this cycle.

 

[blushingbride]

Hey girls - I''m baaaaaaack!

As usual, I''m slammed at work so, once again I don''t have much time to catch up. For some reason, my company is doing really well in this down economy.

I''m on CD 19 here and thought I might have O''d today due to a major drop in temps, but my monitor still reads high and the OPK''s are still negative so, I''m guessing not. Plus, I had to wake up an hour and half earlier than usual because I had to head into work early today. Not to mention my temp from yesterday was taken at 9:30 in the morning (3 hours past my usual time). We were partying hard up at Penn State this past weekend!

Anyway, lots of EWCM, but again no O yet.

Just a few quick shot outs:

Chinacat - as I mentioned above, we were at Penn State (I graduated from there) so, they are the only college football team I root for!

LL - glad to hear your back is doing better! Looks like you and I are in the same boat waiting to O!

Sabine - sorry to hear that you''re frustrated with everything. I get that way too from time to time. Right now, I think DH wants to put duck tape over my mouth since all I talk about is TTC. But, in my defense I have no clue when I''m going to O this month so, we had to start early. We are doing the every other day method until I get a positive OPK or a peak on my monitor. The long marathons just aren''t in the cards for us.

InLuv - I take the weekends off too from this thread - it helps.......a little.

 

[Festy]

Hi LL! D''oh, sorry I completely misundestood your Q about the linky...I''m glad your back is feeling better, and how cool that DTD helps! I know whatcha mean about sore nips being a pretty reliable indicator that O has happened. What happens if you toss out/change that high temp you got on CD 9? Does that change anything? Wacked out temps really don''t help, do they?

 

[robbie3982]

April, it''s possible that you ovulated, but I''d actually guess that you didn''t. Temps can be kind of off that first cycle off the pill. The safe thing to do is assume that you have not ovulated and are still fertile if you''re TTA. I''d definitely use a back up method for the first few months of charting to avoid. I thought I had the hang of it my second month in and made a big oops in my interpretation that ended up with us DTD the day before O! I didn''t get pregnant that cycle, but it nearly gave me a heart attack.

 

[Festy]

Date: 11/17/2008 11:22:19 AM
Author: robbie3982
April, it's possible that you ovulated, but I'd actually guess that you didn't. Temps can be kind of off that first cycle off the pill. The safe thing to do is assume that you have not ovulated and are still fertile if you're TTA. I'd definitely use a back up method for the first few months of charting to avoid. I thought I had the hang of it my second month in and made a big oops in my interpretation that ended up with us DTD the day before O! I didn't get pregnant that cycle, but it nearly gave me a heart attack.

April, Robbie is totally right! I should have added that you should not stop using protection until you have a few cycles under your belt...my bad!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Date: 11/17/2008 11:22:19 AM
Author: robbie3982
April, it''s possible that you ovulated, but I''d actually guess that you didn''t. Temps can be kind of off that first cycle off the pill. The safe thing to do is assume that you have not ovulated and are still fertile if you''re TTA. I''d definitely use a back up method for the first few months of charting to avoid. I thought I had the hang of it my second month in and made a big oops in my interpretation that ended up with us DTD the day before O! I didn''t get pregnant that cycle, but it nearly gave me a heart attack.

Ditto this one. If your period arrives today or tomorrow it may be the case that you ovulated on the 2/3 of Nov, but if you don''t get your period then I think you have NOT ovulated. Definitely use a barrier method for at least the first 3 months charting until you really know what is going on, particularly with your CF since it is a very important fertility sign when TTA and will likely not return to your normal pattern until a few months after stopping bc.

As for worrying about inadvertently TTC the last week or so, don''t. Your chart doesn''t look like you ovulated so it is unlikely you will have conceived from any sex in the last week or so. But let this be a lesson

Thou shalt not trust your thermometer alone until you master the fine art of puppetry of the vajayjay (aka assessing your CF) and until your patterns are clear to you.

Good luck!

 

[NovemberBride]

Hi everyone,

I hope everyone had a good weekend and that we are going to start seeing some BFPs here soon - it seems like it''s been quite a drought this month! Must mean we are due for lots of good news for the upcoming holidays

As for me, I am on CD 63. I am getting really frustrated, so this weekend I did two things. 1. I called my doctor to see at what point I can come in and talk to her. I haven''t heard back yet and am hoping she won''t tell me to wait 6 months or something. 2. I joined FF and read through the charting tools and also ordered a BBT and TCOYF from amazon. Maybe I was just tired, but after reading all the FF lessons, I still have no idea how to read a chart. I think I am going to have to go back through this whole thread and hopefully you guys will be able to explain it better.

 

[April20]

Properly chastised! No more barrier free fun until I''m good at this stuff.

For clarity, we are TTA but with my assumption I O''d, we weren''t using anything.... Dumb, dumb, dumb of me.

DH would freak out only because we aren''t planning any kiddos and I assured him that this was a time tested method and he would be completely safe to go free as it looked like I was in the "infertile" stage. Being that it might not have been safe, he''d freak only because we''ve been taking unnecessary chances.

 

[Dreamer_D]

April not to get up in your business or anything

, but if you are really wanting to remain childfree then I am not sure I would totally trust FAM as my only method of bc. I think with really correct use it is a very good method with 90% or more effectiveness, but those numbers assume that your cycle is very regular and that your patterns of CF and temps are clear about when ovulation occurrs... these assumtions really don''t hold for all women, and if they don''t hold then I think the effectiveness drops considerably, down into the 80% range (like condoms). My point is that I think I would only trust FAM if an "ooops" wouldn''t be completely aweful, since I think an oops is much more common on this method than with the pill or an IUS or some other more fool-proof system. Anyways, before you rely on this method entirely I''d make good and sure you fall into the "regular as clockwork" and "charts clear as day" camp with at least 4-6 cycles under your belt. Even then, if your DH and yourself are dead set against an oops, you may need to let him know it is a greater possibility on FAM than on hormonal bc, just so you know how he, and you, would react if that oops did happen. Just my thoughts, take ''em or leave ''em

 

[littlelysser]

I gotcha April. I was confused. But again, I am not a bright light...so that could have explained it!

BB - I''m glad you had a good weekend! I am getting pretty annoyed about not O''ing...because I *really* thought I have already O''d.

Fest - It doesn''t matter if I disregard either of those high temps early on. I don''t know if my temp today could have been mucked up. I just don''t know. This is very odd.

November - I''m sorry you having troubles. That stinks. Oh, and FWIW, I gleaned most of my charting knowledge from this thread...I used the FF software for charting, but right here is where I got my learn on! Hey, I think I saw on another thread that you are a former bigfirm lawyer? What is your story? I was a bigfirm attny too...lasted 3.5 years at one and about a year at another...and if we''ve already discussed, please excuse my poor poor memory!

 

[littlelysser]

Date: 11/17/2008 1:14:28 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
April not to get up in your business or anything

, but if you are really wanting to remain childfree then I am not sure I would totally trust FAM as my only method of bc. I think with really correct use it is a very good method with 90% or more effectiveness, but those numbers assume that your cycle is very regular and that your patterns of CF and temps are clear about when ovulation occurrs... these assumtions really don''t hold for all women, and if they don''t hold then I think the effectiveness drops considerably, down into the 80% range (like condoms). My point is that I think I would only trust FAM if an ''ooops'' wouldn''t be completely aweful, since I think an oops is much more common on this method than with the pill or an IUS or some other more fool-proof system. Anyways, before you rely on this method entirely I''d make good and sure you fall into the ''regular as clockwork'' and ''charts clear as day'' camp with at least 4-6 cycles under your belt. Even then, if your DH and yourself are dead set against an oops, you may need to let him know it is a greater possibility on FAM than on hormonal bc, just so you know how he, and you, would react if that oops did happen. Just my thoughts, take ''em or leave ''em

I was just thinking the same thing. I even said to DH after we have a kid, we''ll probably use the FAM method, as a second child would be a-okay with us.