Thoughts on this diamond? Thanks...

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:02:28 PM
Author: Mara
Studio...your quotes are getting pretty long, you might want to crop out what is relevant to the last quote only.


ANYWAY...no one is pushing WF onto the OP. But someone posted a stone that some of us would definitely consider. What part of ''I would definitely check into the G stone as well'' is pushing a vendor? By all means check out the other PS vendors too. I *also* said above there was another stone, a 2.13 F VS2 that looks promising for $29k. Not from WF.


By all means people should get what makes them happy, that is why people were asking if they have seen the stone...because that is a huge thing. If someone has seen a stone and loves it, then fabulous! The #''s are no slouch. BUT there are other options out there too and part of what PS is about is KNOWLEDGE and sharing that knowledge. People come here because they want to learn more or hear about options.


Options are a beautiful thing.

Agreed.

Mara,

What I was getting at was that Mypak should not diregard the stone, which it seems that people were nudging towards. Maybe my perception, but seems like people always steer all of the readers towards a certain direction. "Cut, Cut, Cut", "go lower in color to get cut", "it''ll face up white", "buy from Whiteflash".

I did state my opinion in my preference which differs yours and others, but it is based on experience. True, I haven''t been posting PS as long as you have, but I have purchased plenty in real life, helped friends shop and seen enough to offer a valid opinion. If you believe what you just stated, perhaps you should not invalidate other people''s opinions also?

 

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:10:54 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006

Date: 10/16/2006 2:30:57 PM

Author: studiorack

My personal opinion is that I wouldn't go with a large G. I've been shopping the same carat range as you for the last couple of weeks. I've seen a couple of other AGS0 and excellent cut 2ct G's and the color is very obvious through the pavillion. F's are borderline at that size. I think you're on the right track with the E. Scores high on the HCA and it's a great price compared to market. I'd suggest making arrangements to take a look at it.


From what I've seen, it's hard to find a stone that scores Ex on all four for the HCA. When it does, the PS vendors want a premium for it. I've looked at stones that have 3Ex and 1Vg and there was no difference observed. Keep in mind that the HCA is a 'work in progress'. Conceivably you could be paying a premium for 4ex's when in the future adjustments to the HCA could kick one of those ex's to a vg.

You must be supersensitive to color because an F is not going to show color to 99% of people and neither is a G unless you are holding it next to a D, which doesn't happen often in real life. What kind of light were you looking at the stones in? A large table stone may appear brighter, but ti will not have the fire an ideal cut stone with a smaller table will have.


Oh, and I have never bought from WF (yet) and do not 'push' them. I just said I prefered the stone Ellen posted over the other two because I think it is a better cut stone.

I can't claim to be supersensitive in color, I do agree that you can't detect color easily with well cut near colorless diamonds face up, but I do see it in the body fairly quickly (looking from the side). It happened on several occasions.

On a similar topic, I do recall one time that I was overhearing a conversion while in a waiting room. One owner of the ring was really well informed and was talking about ideal cut and ACA. They were admiring it face up. It was a beautifully cut diamond and it did sparkle. Later the other girl looked through the pav and asked if the diamond was a near colorless, and the owner of the ring answered yes, it was a G.

From my experience, a great cut won't hide color when viewed from the side.

 

[Mara]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:18:31 PM
Author: studiorack


Agreed.

Mara,

What I was getting at was that Mypak should not diregard the stone, which it seems that people were nudging towards. Maybe my perception, but seems like people always steer all of the readers towards a certain direction. 'Cut, Cut, Cut', 'go lower in color to get cut', 'it'll face up white', 'buy from Whiteflash'.

I did state my opinion in my preference which differs yours and others, but it is based on experience. True, I haven't been posting PS as long as you have, but I have purchased plenty in real life, helped friends shop and seen enough to offer a valid opinion. If you believe what you just stated, perhaps you should not invalidate other people's opinions also?

No one is 'invalidating' anyone's opinion. Quite possibly you should go back and re-read what I posted, then speak on that note again. I don't know how much more CLEAR I could have been that this E stone is NOT A SLOUCH (did you see that or should I repeat it again? Just let me know.) but that he should consider OTHER OPTIONS too. Not sure how that is 'invalidating' anyone's opinion. Wee bit dramatic here?

Obviously you really think that this E stone is better. Obviously I disagree. The OP knows what we all think. He seems pretty savvy. He's not going to go rush out and buy the diamond G because I like it, or the E because you like it. He's doing his due diligence. Should he buy the G stone or the E stone or some other stone, I'd be just as happy for him.

My job here is done...it's to make someone spending $30k on a stone to really think about what they are doing AND cover all the bases in researching. It's to give him one perspective. I don't care who he buys from. My own experience has been to own both a shallow non-ideal and a super-ideal and a regular ideal and a few others. Seeing diamonds in the store is not quite the same.

ETA...adding a few more rolly eyes because I don't think I used them enough.

 

[belle]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:23:01 PM
Author: studiorack

On a similar topic, I do recall one time that I was overhearing a conversion while in a waiting room. One owner of the ring was really well informed and was talking about ideal cut and ACA. They were admiring it face up. It was a beautifully cut diamond and it did sparkle. Later the other girl looked through the pav and asked if the diamond was a near colorless, and the owner of the ring answered yes, it was a G.

you were in a random waiting room somewhere and people were talking about aca''s?
wow. impressive.

 

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:44:40 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 4:23:01 PM

Author: studiorack


On a similar topic, I do recall one time that I was overhearing a conversion while in a waiting room. One owner of the ring was really well informed and was talking about ideal cut and ACA. They were admiring it face up. It was a beautifully cut diamond and it did sparkle. Later the other girl looked through the pav and asked if the diamond was a near colorless, and the owner of the ring answered yes, it was a G.

you were in a random waiting room somewhere and people were talking about aca's?

wow. impressive.

It happens when you're waiting at a fertility clinic for a while.

 

[Ellen]

lol

Mara, thanks for the indepth explanation(s). I am on day 3 of a raging cold, with 3 hours sleep last night. Had I known this post would lead to so much discussion, I probably wouldn't have posted. I just didn't have it in me to continue.

The OP asked for opinions on the stone(s). I simply said I liked my pick better. I'm not "pushing" WF, I just happened to find THAT stone THERE. I also looked on GOG. If I felt good, I might have sifted through James Allen.

mypak, good luck on your search!

 

[belle]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:46:17 PM
Author: studiorack

Date: 10/16/2006 4:44:40 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 4:23:01 PM

Author: studiorack


On a similar topic, I do recall one time that I was overhearing a conversion while in a waiting room. One owner of the ring was really well informed and was talking about ideal cut and ACA. They were admiring it face up. It was a beautifully cut diamond and it did sparkle. Later the other girl looked through the pav and asked if the diamond was a near colorless, and the owner of the ring answered yes, it was a G.

you were in a random waiting room somewhere and people were talking about aca's?

wow. impressive.

It happens when you're waiting at a fertility clinic for a while.

no disrespect to wf whatsoever...but i just really find that to be a huge coincidence. i could understand overhearing someone talking about hof, they have a presence in every major city. but...aca's? that's just unreal.

 

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 4:55:30 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 4:46:17 PM

Author: studiorack

Date: 10/16/2006 4:44:40 PM

Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 4:23:01 PM


Author: studiorack



On a similar topic, I do recall one time that I was overhearing a conversion while in a waiting room. One owner of the ring was really well informed and was talking about ideal cut and ACA. They were admiring it face up. It was a beautifully cut diamond and it did sparkle. Later the other girl looked through the pav and asked if the diamond was a near colorless, and the owner of the ring answered yes, it was a G.

you were in a random waiting room somewhere and people were talking about aca's?


wow. impressive.

It happens when you're waiting at a fertility clinic for a while.

no disrespect to wf whatsoever...but i just really find that to be a huge coincidence. i could understand overhearing someone talking about hof, they have a presence in every major city. but...aca's? that's just unreal.

That's what caught my attention was the fact that someone brought up something that you don't hear too often. You figure everyone on the internet researching diamonds knows about PriceScope, which in turn is how we learn of WhiteFlash. Think about how you learned of ACA and WF.

 

[belle]

Date: 10/16/2006 5:01:41 PM
Author: studiorack


That''s what caught my attention was the fact that someone brought up something that you don''t hear too often. I do live in L.A., so things of material status tend to be discussed a lot.

so you think aca''s are more of a status symbol than hof in l.a.?

did you ask to see it? obviously, you must have if you were close enough to ''see color'' in it from the side.

 

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 5:08:03 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 5:01:41 PM

Author: studiorack



That's what caught my attention was the fact that someone brought up something that you don't hear too often. I do live in L.A., so things of material status tend to be discussed a lot.

so you think aca's are more of a status symbol than hof in l.a.?


did you ask to see it? obviously, you must have if you were close enough to 'see color' in it from the side.

No I wasn't close enough to see it from the side. Remember, I wasn't the one seeing the color, only listening to the conversation. Only saw it from about 10 feet away.

The funny thing about names and status symbols is that after too many people have a certain one, people look for something different and perceivably better.

As for the ACA name, I wouldn't say that most people know about it, just the owner of the ring. I don't know if the other girl knew what ACA was prior to the conversation.

 

[belle]

Date: 10/16/2006 5:16:20 PM
Author: studiorack

Date: 10/16/2006 5:08:03 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 5:01:41 PM

Author: studiorack



That''s what caught my attention was the fact that someone brought up something that you don''t hear too often. I do live in L.A., so things of material status tend to be discussed a lot.

so you think aca''s are more of a status symbol than hof in l.a.?


did you ask to see it? obviously, you must have if you were close enough to ''see color'' in it from the side.

No I wasn''t close enough to see it from the side. Remember, I wasn''t the one seeing the color, only listening to the conversation. Only saw it from about 10 feet away.

The funny thing about names and status symbols is that after too many people have a certain one, people look for something different and perceivably better.

As for the ACA name, I wouldn''t say that most people know about it, just the owner of the ring. I don''t know if the other girl knew what ACA was prior to the conversation.

okay...enough about this aca you overheard about, tell us what you bought from wf and other vendors.

did you get a colorless aca?

 

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 5:23:09 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 5:16:20 PM

Author: studiorack

Date: 10/16/2006 5:08:03 PM

Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 5:01:41 PM


Author: studiorack




That''s what caught my attention was the fact that someone brought up something that you don''t hear too often. I do live in L.A., so things of material status tend to be discussed a lot.

so you think aca''s are more of a status symbol than hof in l.a.?



did you ask to see it? obviously, you must have if you were close enough to ''see color'' in it from the side.

No I wasn''t close enough to see it from the side. Remember, I wasn''t the one seeing the color, only listening to the conversation. Only saw it from about 10 feet away.


The funny thing about names and status symbols is that after too many people have a certain one, people look for something different and perceivably better.


As for the ACA name, I wouldn''t say that most people know about it, just the owner of the ring. I don''t know if the other girl knew what ACA was prior to the conversation.

okay...enough about this aca you overheard about, tell us what you bought from wf and other vendors.

did you get a colorless aca?

What is the rule with going to far off on a tangent with PS?

Anyhow, a ACA, sure would be nice but it''s not what I''m putting money towards. The most recent stone? I just traded in a 1.19 E, w/ two 0.46ct E''s and got a 1.4 D VS2 that I can''t stop looking at. It has MB fluor.

7.21x7.25x4.41mm
1.40ct
D
VS2
Excellent cut, polish & sym
57% table
61% depth
35 degree crown
40.8 degree pav

I''ve just recently started seriously appreciating Fluor. Now I''m starting to feel that I want all of my stones to have Fluor. I have a 2.01 F VS2 that I''m thinking of trading in for a 2.04 D with strong fluor.

 

[Kaleigh]

This is all very interesting....

 

[belle]

Date: 10/16/2006 5:36:59 PM
Author: studiorack


What is the rule with going to far off on a tangent with PS?

the rule is, talk about diamonds and you''re all good.

Date: 10/16/2006 5:36:59 PM
Author: studiorack


Anyhow, a ACA, sure would be nice but it''s not what I''m putting money towards. The most recent stone? I just traded in a 1.19 E, w/ two 0.46ct E''s and got a 1.4 D VS2 that I can''t stop looking at. It has MB fluor.

7.21x7.25x4.41mm
1.40ct
D
VS2
Excellent cut, polish & sym
57% table
61% depth
35 degree crown
40.8 degree pav

I''ve just recently started seriously appreciating Fluor. Now I''m starting to feel that I want all of my stones to have Fluor. I have a 2.01 F VS2 that I''m thinking of trading in for a 2.04 D with strong fluor.

these are the stones you traded with wf, or these were the ones from other vendors?
from your previous posts, it sounds like you have lots o'' diamonds to tell us about!

 

[studiorack]

Date: 10/16/2006 5:57:45 PM
Author: belle

Date: 10/16/2006 5:36:59 PM

Author: studiorack



What is the rule with going to far off on a tangent with PS?

the rule is, talk about diamonds and you're all good.

Date: 10/16/2006 5:36:59 PM

Author: studiorack



Anyhow, a ACA, sure would be nice but it's not what I'm putting money towards. The most recent stone? I just traded in a 1.19 E, w/ two 0.46ct E's and got a 1.4 D VS2 that I can't stop looking at. It has MB fluor.


7.21x7.25x4.41mm

1.40ct

D

VS2

Excellent cut, polish & sym

57% table

61% depth

35 degree crown

40.8 degree pav


I've just recently started seriously appreciating Fluor. Now I'm starting to feel that I want all of my stones to have Fluor. I have a 2.01 F VS2 that I'm thinking of trading in for a 2.04 D with strong fluor.

these are the stones you traded with wf, or these were the ones from other vendors?

from your previous posts, it sounds like you have lots o' diamonds to tell us about!

Lots of smaller diamonds get traded in for larger diamonds. It's an affliction. I wonder if these two diamonds and a couple of the 1cts are going to be traded in for a 3+ ct. D w/fluor of course.

I've gone crazy for fluor.

As for the recent one, it went through WF. What happened was that I bought the 1.19 recently with some 0.46's from them and wanted to trade up. They didn't have anything that tickled my interest but of course I had to upgrade through them. So I started looking at BlueNile's inventory and found a potentially nice diamond, based on the HCA and numbers. I called WF and asked them to get it for me. Voila! They received it. IdealScope, Sarin and photo'd it. Examined it and assessed it before shipping it to me.

I've never owned a diamond with fluor before nor do the jewelers that I visit have them, but after being very apprehensive abour fluor, I got this diamond and with the fluor and I felt that it took colorless diamonds to another level.

I have another two 1ct D and two 1ct E from BN and JA. These were bought by trading/selling smaller diamonds.

I think I want to move to a new account called FluorIsMore. What do you think? I'm a fluor buyer for life.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Very cool, StudioRack! I''d LOVE to see a picture of your D VS2! I like the 1.4 size a lot myself.

 

[studiorack]

I''m trying to get a good picture with my digital camera. Any suggestions? Here''s the cert.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

It looks great on paper! Gosh I looked for MONTHS for a 1.4 ct. ideal cut stone! I finally bought a 1.63 G-H VS1, but I heard that a 1.42 F VS1 is coming in, and I do plan to check it out! I don''t have any pinters on pictures other than if you have a Cann camera, click on the little flower to take a macro shot. And if you do get pics, just start a new thread of your own and repost that cert. You''ll just have to rename it or it won''t post again.