Thoughts on this Pear diamond

[RCD1906]

Looking for a great diamonf to surprise my girfriend! Would really appreciate your help as I´m still strugling identifying light lickages and bow ties in the 360 videos.

What do you think of this diamond?

0.59 Carat pear diamond

This pear shaped 0.59 carat H color vs2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Thanks a lot!

 

[Niel]

Did you already buy it or is this on hold? Did she request a pear or was that shape left up to you? Is it going into an engagement ring? What style? What’s your overall budget.

On it’s own, I don’t like that pear.

I think you could do better, how much better, depends on the answers above, I think.

 

[RCD1906]

Did you already buy it or is this on hold? Did she request a pear or was that shape left up to you? Is it going into an engagement ring? What style? What’s your overall budget.

On it’s own, I don’t like that pear.

I think you could do better, how much better, depends on the answers above, I think.

Thanks for your reply. Its on hold but have to make a decision pretty soon. Its for an engagement ring. She pretty much requested a pear with a simple setting that I aready picked. Budget is around $1200-$1300 for the diamond.

 

[Niel]

Which setting did you pick?

 

[RCD1906]

This one in white gold: https://www.jamesallen.com/engageme...nife-edge-solitaire-engagement-ring-item-7115

 

[Niel]

0.56 Carat pear diamond

This pear shaped 0.56 carat E color si1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

 

[RCD1906]

Thank you so much for your recommendation. Really like that diamond. The only issue, is that the estimated shipping is two days later and because of a trip we have planned, 1 or 2 days can make a difference between receiving it before the trip or not (I should still receive it before the trip but any delays would be deadly). I know this limits a lot my options. You think its worth taking on that little extra risk Or does the one I originally selected look good enough?

I know my situation is not ideal but this trip was a last minute idea and did not give a lot of time to find a ring

 

[mrs-b]

The one @Niel linked for you is a much better looking diamond. Pears also will show tint in the point, which is where the facets all interconnect, and an H color will look pretty tinted there. The one you chose also looks pretty dead to me, and the faceting looks mushy. It would be a hard pass from me.

The one from Niel is much better.

 

[mrs-b]

@RCD1906 - don't let commitment to a trip pressure you into buying a pretty sad looking diamond. She'll wear that diamond forever. If you have to give it to her after the trip - no problem. But if you give her something that looks a bit yellow on the end and kinda grey in the middle, that's not a great result.

To be blunt, no. The one you chose definitely does not look good enough. Even an untrained eye will see that it doesn't sparkle, has a large bow tie, has poorly defined faceting in the middle, and will be a tad yellow on the point.

 

[RCD1906]

Alright I think that prety much settles the debate. Thank yo uso much for the reccomendations!

 

[mrs-b]

Does it have to be from James Allen? I'm happy to take a look through Blue Nile's inventory if you'd like.

 

[RCD1906]

It does not! I originally picked James Allen because of the shipping times. I would love if you can take a look at Blue Nile's inventory. As you said, picking the right diamond its more important than rushing it because of a trip

 

[luckygreen317]

@RCD1906 - don't let commitment to a trip pressure you into buying a pretty sad looking diamond. She'll wear that diamond forever. If you have to give it to her after the trip - no problem. But if you give her something that looks a bit yellow on the end and kinda grey in the middle, that's not a great result.

To be blunt, no. The one you chose definitely does not look good enough. Even an untrained eye will see that it doesn't sparkle, has a large bow tie, has poorly defined faceting in the middle, and will be a tad yellow on the point.

I completely agree!

 

[Niel]

What’s the latest you could get one by

 

[tyty333]

@RCD1906 - don't let commitment to a trip pressure you into buying a pretty sad looking diamond. She'll wear that diamond forever. If you have to give it to her after the trip - no problem. But if you give her something that looks a bit yellow on the end and kinda grey in the middle, that's not a great result.

To be blunt, no. The one you chose definitely does not look good enough. Even an untrained eye will see that it doesn't sparkle, has a large bow tie, has poorly defined faceting in the middle, and will be a tad yellow on the point.

Those dates aren't really guaranteed. We've seen those dates missed on more than one occasion. I think trying to plan around
such a close timeline is a bad idea (sorry to say).

Edit...you can always propose with a "fake" placeholder during your trip. My DH proposed with a sterling silver heart ring on
a trip. Or just wait to propose when it's not so rushed?

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[RCD1906]

What’s the latest you could get one by

No rush anymore. I´ve decided to get the best possible ring my budget allows and give it to her after the trip. Like mrs-b said, she'll wear that diamond forever.

 

[RCD1906]

Those dates aren't really guaranteed. We've seen those dates missed on more than one occasion. I think trying to plan around
such a close timeline is a bad idea (sorry to say).

Edit...you can always propose with a "fake" placeholder during your trip. My DH proposed with a sterling silver heart ring on
a trip. Or just wait to propose when it's not so rushed?

Sideways Heart Ring// Argentium Sterling Silver//handcrafted//made to Order - Etsy

This Rings item by CastawayJewelryCo has 1133 favorites from Etsy shoppers. Ships from Green Lake, WI. Listed on Jul 16, 2024

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925 Sterling Silver Dainty Heart Ring, Silver Stacking Ring, Heart Ring, Thin Silver Rings, Minimalist Rings, Tiny Heart Ring, Midi Ring - Etsy

This Stackable Rings item by OraCanada has 2180 favorites from Etsy shoppers. Ships from Canada. Listed on Aug 9, 2024

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Thanks for this tip. I though about and although its a great idea I will give it to her with no rush after the trip. I know she is expecting the proposal in this trip but I´m sure she can wait a couple more weeks. Will plan a weekend getaway once I have the ring and give it to her there.

 

[Niel]

Thanks for this tip. I though about and although its a great idea I will give it to her with no rush after the trip. I know she is expecting the proposal in this trip but I´m sure she can wait a couple more weeks. Will plan a weekend getaway once I have the ring and give it to her there.

If she seems like she is 100% expecting a proposal on this trip I would tree lightly. She might feel sad or foolish if she had the expectation and it didn’t happen.
I do agree don’t buy her an inferior diamond just to get it in her finger, but just….don’t do anything too romantic while you’re out! lol
Congrats tho it’s an exciting time!

 

[RCD1906]

If she seems like she is 100% expecting a proposal on this trip I would tree lightly. She might feel sad or foolish if she had the expectation and it didn’t happen.
I do agree don’t buy her an inferior diamond just to get it in her finger, but just….don’t do anything too romantic while you’re out! lol
Congrats tho it’s an exciting time!

Lol yeah I'll have to be careful managing her expectations. I know she is very excited about a potential proposal, especially after I asked her what type of rings and diamonds she likes the most. But it's not like she's been expecting me to propose for ever. I know she can wait a few more weeks without getting too impatient.

 

[tyty333]

I might somehow let her know not to expect anything on this trip (part of managing her expectations).

Also, just wondering if she asked for a pear shaped stone or was that your idea?

 

[RCD1906]

I might somehow let her know not to expect anything on this trip (part of managing her expectations).

Also, just wondering if she asked for a pear shaped ring or was that your idea?

She didn´t ask but she specifically mentioned it was her favorite type of shape. She siad she just likes the shape and that its not common (at least in Spain) so she would be the only one out of her friends & family with that type of diamond.

 

[tyty333]

Gotcha!

 

[RCD1906]

After taking a look at the inventory of other stores like Blue Nile, Ritani or Brilliant Earth I think I’ll buy the diamond Niel recommended (have it on hold). I haven’t seen any diamond that looks better than that one in the same price range.

If anyone here has any other recommendations I would love to take a look at them.

Thank everyone for all your help!

 

[tyty333]

After taking a look at the inventory of other stores like Blue Nile, Ritani or Brilliant Earth I think I’ll buy the diamond Niel recommended (have it on hold). I haven’t seen any diamond that looks better than that one in the same price range.

If anyone here has any other recommendations I would love to take a look at them.

Thank everyone for all your help!

Remind us of the price of the one niel picked? I have looked around a little and not finding anything with the LxW like
the one niel found...I'll check one more place though.

 

[RCD1906]

Remind us of the price of the one niel picked? I have looked around a little and not finding anything with the LxW like
the one niel found...I'll check one more place though.

I was €978 so a bit less than $1100. I can go up to $1300 or even a bit more for the right diamond.

Really appreciate your help!

 

[mrs-b]

@RCD1906 -

My apologies for disappearing off the face of the planet. I had guests that arrived right after I posted and they only left very early this morning.

I'm going to trawl through the BN website now. Will get back to you in the next hour or two.

Just one question - and I mean this with all politeness: what is your actual budget? We are very used, here as long term PSers, to gentlemen and ladies coming onto the site, saying "My budget is a firm XXX" - then looking around and saying, "Weeeeellll, I guess I could go up to XX+10%..."

So can you pls give me your HARD limit - including tax and shipping. My job then is to find you a great diamond as far below that as possible. But if you tell me $1300, and I find a perfect diamond for $1350, I WON'T tell you about it, if I believe $1300 is non-negotiable.

So - what's your hard cut off point?

 

[mrs-b]

Just to let you know the parameters I'm using:

F or whiter, to avoid the tinted tip
Symmetry and polish - very good or better
Fluoro - Medium or less, to avoid any questions of strong fluoro making the diamond milky (a phenomenon that's largely debated, but let's just stay out of those murky waters)
Depth - no deeper than 63.5 so we're not losing a lot of ctw in depth
Table - no higher than 60%, so it hasn't got that "flat as a pancake" look
And clarity...hmmm. This might be slightly controversial, but for a pear, I'll look as low as SI2 on a pear, as they're HUGELY forgiving when it comes to clarity, depending on what type of inclusion it is. Filtering is everything when it comes to pearls and inclusions, and bargains can be had in the SI2 range.
Ctw - .55 or larger
Price - 1300 or less, not including tax or shipping

@RCD1906 - pls let me know if this works for you. I'm going to throw a couple of hours at it, and if I don't find anything worth pursuing, the diamond Niel found is a good option regardless. So you're covered either way.

 

[RCD1906]

@mrs-b you do not have to apologize for anything! I really appreciate everyone´s help. Getting this right its very importante for me and its amazing all the help I´m getting here.

Hard limit is 1800 euros for the ring including taxes. Since I know my girlfriend wants a solitarie ring with a beutiful diamond and a simple setting I´m planning on getting the simple white gold solitaire setting witch is around 300 euros in most stores. This leaves around 1500 euros for the diamond. Which for most stores likes James Allen and Blue Nile its equal to 1300 euros before taxes. (I´m from Spsain)


The paramaters you are using work for me!

 

[RCD1906]

@mrs-b also I´m not sure how to bring this up, but I´d like to compensate you somehow for your time specially if I end up buying one of your reccomendations. I feel bad for the amazing people in this forum willing to help newbies like myself without getting naything in return

 

[mrs-b]

So this was quicker than I thought, as the selection on BN has been lower since the pandemic. I might also take a look through James Allen just in case anything slipped through the cracks, though I'm not a huge fan of some of their policies. I have the time, so will do it anyway.

1) I *really* like this cut on this. No bowtie, and it has what I call "that waterfall effect" - where the facets seem to be cascading from the center of the stone, around the orb, and down to the tip (NB most of the diamonds I'll be recommending will have that waterfall effect):

0.55 Carat F-SI1 Pear Shaped Diamond

This pear shaped 0.55 carat F color si1 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.bluenile.com

2) This one I like a LOT. A little larger and very nicely cut. All pears are a tad mushy, but there's not a lot of that in this diamond. Small table, which I love for its extra sculptural look in profile (ie it's a bit more puffy looking side-one. Just a bit more interesting and pretty). It's an SI2, but I believe the inclusions won't be noticeable to the naked eye. Just took another look and - yep! - I like this one a LOT:

0.61 Carat F-SI2 Pear Shaped Diamond

This pear shaped 0.61 carat F color si2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.bluenile.com

3) if you want to take a RISK, try this one. I really like the shape of it - more rounded in the sides - and I like the faceting. As for the inclusions, if you use the minus button in the top right corner of the diamond's photo, and shrink it down to 8mm in length, you'll see that the inclusions disappear into nothingness. But, frankly, this is one of those very few diamonds where I think the inclusions are pretty. And the diamond is VERY white (it's a *D*, for Petes sake!!), and slightly bigger. If you have a limited budget, a well cut pear that's D in color and .71 in ctw is nothing to sneeze at! There were other SI2s of about the same size that I *didn't* suggest due to their inclusions. This isn't one of them. I like this stone.

0.71 Carat D-SI2 Pear Shaped Diamond

This pear shaped 0.71 carat D color si2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.bluenile.com

4). Hmmm. Well, here's a beauty, which you might discard because of the inclusion on the table. It's the largest of the 4 (not in ctw, but in dimensions, which is what counts!), it's a BEAUTIFUL cut, a great shape, and, as for inclusions, despite the mark on the table, it has no clouds - which is my big "no-go" for diamonds, as they can make a diamond that looks great on paper quite dull in real life. I steer away from clouds in general. Even the faceting in the bowtie area is pretty, rather than dead looking. Almost no "mush". I think this one would sparkle like the clappers in real life.

0.70 Carat D-SI2 Pear Shaped Diamond

This pear shaped 0.7 carat D color si2 clarity has a diamond grading report from GIA

www.bluenile.com

For my money - and be aware, I'm pretty particular about what I'll buy - I'd go with 3 or 4. I LOVE the faceting in #4, and the inclusion wouldn't bother me: it's a rock that came out of the dirt, when all is said and done, so a little authenticity in its appearance works for me. And the inclusions in #3, for instance, are downright pretty - and that's even if you *could* see them in real life, which I doubt. With all things considered, I think I'd go with #3. The inclusions will be less noticeable, and I like the shape ever so slightly more; those rounded sides just do it for me.

Have you considered a halo setting? Pears look beautiful in halos, and if you want a setting to impress, that would be my suggestion, as they give a LOT of extra coverage without a lot of bells and whistles. They can have the elegance of a solitaire, with a lot more oomph. You can do a plain band (as opposed to diamonds on the band), which precludes the tizzy look, and the halo truly does seem to put the focus on the center stone, rather than detracting. For people not familiar with settings and jewelry, there's also every possibility she might think a halo still leaves a single main stone as a solitaire; for example, her "it has to be a solitaire" might mean "I don't want a 3 stone". Anyway, is there any tactful way of finding this out? A halo setting will also protect the tip of a pear diamond, which is particularly at risk. Failing that - have you considered a solitaire bezel setting?

@RCD1906 - as for compensating anyone here - good lord, of course not! We do this for the love of it, my friend. Because beautiful jewels bring us joy. And because so many here have helped us over the years. Buy your girl a beautiful ring - that will be compensation enough!