Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your help!

[john_john]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

The specific detail of the prong design on the antique ring is one of those things , like claw prongs, that require a special type of production technique.
There's makers who are associated with producing such details correctly on ring made today.

I'd love to know who the makers are. If asking doesn't violate rules, would you and others be able to share some names of these makers who may know how to make this style of prong?

 

[Rockdiamond]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

The specific detail of the prong design on the antique ring is one of those things , like claw prongs, that require a special type of production technique.
There's makers who are associated with producing such details correctly on ring made today.

I'd love to know who the makers are. If asking doesn't violate rules, would you and others be able to share some names of these makers who may know how to make this style of prong?

Hi john_john- in this case there is no doubt whatsoever- I'm not allowed to name other sellers.
BUT- other consumers can point you in the right direction- there's a few notable sellers commonly recommended on PS that make new rings in what looks like authentic old style- hopefully someone who can will chime in.

Hand-made, hand wrought, hand crafted and so on are vague terms that are almost as abused in this industry as ‘ideal’. People think they know what they mean but even well intentioned speakers can mean very different things. If it matters, it is always important when someone uses a term like this to understand what THEY mean by it. FWIW, I very rarely use the term, for exactly these sorts of reasons.

Karl. Under the above ftc description, forming and finishing by ‘hand labor’ is a requirement for a hand-made item. Wouldn’t this rule out the use of power equipment like buffers and drills? Obviously that would rule out nearly the entire industry, even the purest of traditional jewelry craftspeople. That’s possibly a legitimate interpretation but it leaves a nearly useless term. Nothing in this category is handmade other than perhaps some things better described as folk art (and not even most of those).

In practice, assembly using some cast and/or die struck parts along with other components is regularly described this way and I can't recall hearing of a single court case opposing it.

Great point Neil- as I see it, this is really not such a clear cut distinction.
To use an example- sellers using tactics to make consumers believe EGL grading is relevant to GIA grading are doing something deceptive- even if there's no FTC regulation regarding this aspect. I think we'd find broad agreement on a point like that.
BUT as far as what constitutes "hand made" when we're talking about rings......as Neil rightly points out, it's simply not possible to work metal without tools.
And for the end user, results are what really count- if john_john does not like a ring, it matters not how it was constructed.

 

[pyramid]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

john john

I think this is who they are referring to and this new thread is relevant to it too as they are discussing what is handmade. The names are Victor Carera, Leon Mege, Steven Kirsch. You can see their beautiful rings in the Show Me The Ring part of the Forums when pricescopers have had rings made. There are lots of posts referring to each of them. They all make absolutely beautiful work of art rings. Not the normal ring most people would buy as they are about $5000 and up for the mount with mele diamonds some simple ones less.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/the-big-3-lm-vc-and-sk.202781/

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

I think RD may be referring to Singlestone? They are probably the best known for making fine antique reproduction settings.

 

[pyramid]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

Diamondseeker will be right. I am not so much into these rings and only read a bit out of interest so she would know the type RD was discussing more than me. All top class rings though.

 

[pyramid]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

Singlestone rings posted by Pricescopers:



https://www.pricescope.com/communit...gle-stone-rings.200268/#post-3680338#p3680338

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Vendor's prong explanation sounds incorrect, need your h

Diamondseeker will be right. I am not so much into these rings and only read a bit out of interest so she would know the type RD was discussing more than me. All top class rings though.

You named top of the line master jewelers for sure. I am not 100% sure who RD means, but since he stressed the antique part, I was thinking he might mean SS.