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Codependent Gal

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I''m not sure exactly why I am posting this in here, I guess I hope that maybe expressing my frustration to others who may be in a similar situation will help me in some way. Well here it goes, this mind end up being kind of long.

I had been with my boyfriend for two years when his job sent him out of the country on a field assignment that was supposed to last for six months. We planned that I would go with him, and he went down by himself for a month to give him a chance to get situated and then I joined him. I assumed that a proposal was soon to come. About two month after I had gotten there I began to doubt that the proposal I had anticipated was going to happen any time soon. I brought the subject up and he said that he thought that we would be getting married in a year or two. I was feeling pretty good after this conversation as I thought that we were on the same page. We went back to our hometown in September to visit and I went to a jewelry store to get a feel of what kind of rings looked good on my hand and to figure out my ring size. I emailed him a picture of a ring that I liked and he replied with "Thanks."

His assignment was supposed to be finished in November, but then it was extended to the end of December, and then in the middle of December they told him that he would have to stay until the end of January. As Christmas drew closer I was sure that he was going to do it. He didn''t. Then came New Years Eve. I thought that he would certainly do it on that day. I pictured him getting down on his knee and saying something about how he wanted to start the new year being engaged to me. Then, on New Years Eve afternoon he asked me what I wanted to do that night. I couldn''t believe that he hadn''t planned anything. My birthday came in mid January. Nothing. His assignment was once again extended to April. I left because I had something that I had to do at home in February.

We were definitely on shaky terms when I left in January. I had been having several break downs about the marriage subject and I could hardly handle the disappointment that came after each holiday passed with no ring. He said that he just didn''t feel ready. I broke up with him. I was pathetic and upset and cried for days. Then he came into town around Valentine''s Day. I knew that I shouldn''t have seen him, but I did. We got along better than we ever had and we were just so happy together. Then we had another talk about marriage. I asked him if he had some kind of plan or if there was a ring being made for me. I told him that I would only stay with him if he had already been actively looking for a ring. He said that he had looked a little bit. I then asked him what the shape of diamond that I liked was called. He didn''t even know, so he obviously had not even looked. I told him that I could no longer continue to wait for something that was obviously not going to happen.

The next day he was like a changed man. He said that our conversation the night before had caused him to have a revelation that I was the one for him and that now he knew what he wanted and that he was ready to be engaged. He sent me a text message saying what the type of diamond I liked was. We made plans that I would go back and join him in a month. He said that he felt that he needed a month to himself to try to work on some of the issues he has (with his family and childhood, etc.). I researched self help books and found some that I thought that might help him. His assignment was extended again to the beginning of May. He asked me if I wanted white gold or platinum, he asked me what size diamond I wanted. I was ecstatic and I told all of my friends and family that we were getting engaged. I told every single person I knew that I was going to be getting married. I was certain that we would be getting engaged as soon as I got down there.

We didn''t. I covertly checked his search history and I saw that he had been looking at rings and he even had a folder of pages saved about rings. I was relieved. I checked his email, but I didn''t find anything about rings. He knows that I snoop, so I figured that he must have been using his work email so that I would be surprised. Then, about a week after I got there I saw that he had emailed one of his friends from college and asked him where he got his wife''s ring because he was "gearing up to finally propose" to me. I was livid. I assumed he already had a ring, or at least that one was being made and was on its way. I went crazy.

He assured me that he was going to do it and that I shouldn''t worry. I broke down pretty much every Sunday after another weekend had passed with no proposal. He kept saying that he was going to do it. He said that the site that he wanted to order the ring from would not ship down there. He said that he went to a jewelry store but that he didn''t like any of the rings and that he just didn''t trust the jewelry stores down there. His job was extended yet again for another month. Last Monday he came home from work early and took me to a jewelry store and I tried on rings. His friend emailed him and asked if there were any updates on the "possible proposal", and he responded that due to his "cold feet" and the difficulty he was having getting a ring down there that he was "dragging it out even more". I told him that he had to do it before I left because I couldn''t handle facing all of the people that I told that we were getting engaged with no ring.

He took me to Tortola for four days and I was hoping that it was going to happen while we were there, but at this point it was becoming pretty clear that he had lied to me. As we sat on the ferry that was taking us back to St. Thomas I knew that it was over. We talked about it again that night and he said that he still wasn''t "ready" and that he thought that he was going to be able to do it, but it just "didn''t feel right" when he was looking at rings and that he "doesn''t feel grown up enough to be married" yet. Same old story that I had been hearing for months. I don''t understand why he would promise me that he was going to do it and just not do it. I can''t believe that I was stupid enough to run around telling everyone that I was getting engaged and now I am going to have to tell all of these people what happened. I feel so stupid. I don''t know why he kept insisting that he was going to do it when he knew that he had no ring and that he wasn''t going to do it.

He was crying more than I was about it, and he kept talking about how hard it is going to be for him to be without me. I asked him to please just leave me alone so that I can get on with my life. On Wednesday I left to come back home. On the way to the airport I told him that I could just not get on the plane if he could just do what he had promised. I was a pathetic begging mess. As I left him to go through customs he started crying and yelling my name. I went into customs and this woman came in and said that my boyfriend needed me, so I went back out but he was already gone. I called him because I thought that maybe I had left something in the car. He was bawling and said that he was so sorry and that he was going to make it up to me.

I had asked him to please leave me alone so that I can get on with my life. I told him that I had no interest in ever speaking to him again. Then he sent me two text messages in the middle of the night telling me to let him know if I had made it home safely. I didn''t respond. I never want to speak to him again. I feel strangely calm about the whole thing and I haven''t even really cried about it. I think that I did most of the crying that I am going to do about the whole thing before I left. I am just relieved that the situation has resolved itself even though it didn''t work out the way that I wanted. My biggest fear is that he is going to come back and try to get back together or that he is going to come back and finally propose and that I won''t be strong enough to say no. I think that he thinks that he is going to be so miserable without me that it will make him ready to marry me but it is way too late for that.

Well thank you to all of the people who actually took the time to read the novel I have just written. I feel better after typing out the events that have unfolded during the past few months. I know that I deserve to be with a person who is able to love me as much as I love them and I know that I deserve to be with someone who is able and willing to make a commitment to me. We all do. Thanks again for reading!
 
Hi Codependant gal,

I have a feeling you may get mixed responses to your post but I have to say that I mostly felt sympathy. I can totally relate to how you feel about waiting and waiting and expcting something without realising that your bf isn''t on the same page. I''m sure some will reply and say that you should never have begged, however I understand the desperation you must have been feeling.
I think you have been very brave to make the decision that you have as it must be sooooo hard.

I don''t really know what else to say apart from repeating that I really can relate to many of the things that you have said. My bf has also used the "Not feeling old enough" line about getting married. I don''t know why men promise things that they know aren''t going to happen. I''m sure that your bf really did love you and thought that he would want to marry you if he gave it more time.

Just want to say, if you are sure you have made the right decision then say strong and don''t give in if you see him again UNLESS that''s what you really want.
 
Date: 5/9/2008 1:23:26 PM
Author: chocolatefudge
I don't know why men promise things that they know aren't going to happen.
In my opinion, some guys promise things even when they don't know if they will happen or not because they are trying to push themselves into doing it. A lot of time people freeze up at the prospect of change and think it's safer to keep things as they are instead of change them, so if a change seems like it's going to happen with or without their approval, they may try to MAKE themselves accept it by (seemingly) being all for it, in hopes that they'll get over the fears and settle into excitement. I don't agree with it, but to a degree I think I can understand it.

I'm sorry that you've been through this, CoGal, but it sounds like you finally got the closure you needed. Stay strong! I think you've made it through the worst of it, hon.
 
If you''re ready for it to be over, then what you did way the right thing...by ending it, I mean. However, if you''re not, and you''re just waiting for the grand gesture on his part (seriously ask yourself if this is what you''re hoping for), then maybe you''re not over it and you should give yourself, and him, more time. Yes, he lied about proposing and while I understand how that made you feel, I think it is important to try and understand that just because he isn''t ready, doesn''t mean he won''t be at some point. It really depends on how long you''re willing to wait.

I don''t know. I guess I just think that marriage is such a commitment...something one person shouldn''t pressure the other to do if they aren''t ready...unless it looks as though the person scared of committing will never commit. In that case, it is good to break ties and heal in order to move on. You said two years together? Maybe he needs a little more time but only you can really know the answer to that.

My point is this, if you are ready to move on, then don''t entertain any attempts to reconcile on his part, because then you aren''t moving on--you''re just dragging it out and that is worse. If you do still want to be with him but not unless he puts a ring on your finger, then you might lose out, because if he may just need a bit more time.

I hope I didn''t make you feel worse...I don''t always know the right things to say but I do try
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Oh man. What a terrible situation. This sums up one of my fears so it really tugged at my heart a bit. I''m really scared of something like this happening someday. It''s hard to take a big leap of faith with SO knowing that words only mean so much. And sometimes I think they even have good intentions to propose down the road but then the reality of it scares them, when it comes closer to the time...


You''re being really strong though. Just remember, NO contact. Block his phone number if you have to! Filter his emails so they go to a junk folder. Block him on Facebook. Do whatever you need to do so that you can move on in peace. I wouldn''t really stress about seeming harsh or anything like that, either, if you are concerned about that -- while I don''t faut him for not proposing if he wasn''t ready, it sounds like he lead you on a bit and that was really crappy of him. He should never have made promises he wasn''t prepared to follow through on.

I know it''s hard right now but it will get easier eventually. Especially if you don''t see or speak to him. Just keep busy with your friends, hobbies, here... rent some DVDs, cry if you need to. And keep us posted, I hope things look up for you.
 
Ugh - this is a huge bummer
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. Don''t feel bad about the way things went down on your end as far as crying, begging, etc...it sounds like you totally reached your breaking point with him. It''s understandable. He was telling you things that made you get your hopes up...and he couldn''t deliver on his promises.

You can only wait for someone for so long...it sounds like its been MONTHS of the same thing, and if you go back again (or keep false hope alive that it will eventually work out), you''ll end up resenting him more than you already do and you will be even more unhappy than you are now. I suggest trying to accept the fact that it is over...I went through a really bad breakup and the only thing that kept me going for the first few months was the idea that we would eventually end up together. It was only when I finally admitted to myself that it was over FOREVER, that I could actually start to move on.

It is very sad when things end this way. It doesn''t make him a bad person... he''s just not ready. Nothing that you can say or do to him will make him ready either. Sometimes timing is everything, and if you''re not on the same page here, it probably is for the best that things are ending now, rather than putting yourself through this for any longer. Focus on yourself right now, and maybe - when you least expect it - someone else much better suited for you - will come along
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Ladies: That is so sad if she really loves him though! Is it just me giving bad advice??!!!

I feel terrible when real love has to end...
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Is it really too late? If you are really moving on because you don''t want to be with a man who can''t commit to marriage (a valid reason, IMHO) good for you...I hope you stick to your guns and what I say below is a moot point, so ignore.

If you think you will go back to this cycle of nuttiness, then by all means, feel free to read my opinion.

It''s an age old question here on the LIW forum...what do you really want? The man? The marriage? The ring? The wedding? Majority would, of course, say the man and marriage. But then I have to ask, why does so much of the zany behavior actually revolve around the ring? You said,

"Then we had another talk about marriage. I asked him if he had some kind of plan or if there was a ring being made for me. I told him that I would only stay with him if he had already been actively looking for a ring."

Seriously, how would you take it if your man said, "Honey, I am only going to stay with you if you have been actively researching a big screen TV, and oh yeah, throw in some superbowl tickets too. That''s the only way I know you really love me." Huh? Who the HECK wants to hear that? Your talk "about marriage" was NOT about marriage from what you have posted here. It was about JEWELRY.

Do you really want this period of your life to be filled with tears, snooping, threats and breakdowns? Would most men want to be engaged/married to a woman who is in tears, snoops, makes threats and has breakdowns?

I don''t believe that it all has to be about HIS timeline and his wants and needs. Yours are important too. But right now your fantasies of engagement (telling everyone you know, etc) have spiraled out of control. Whether you go back to him or find someone new, you need a mindset shift, in my opinion. With all this crying and yelling on both your parts, neither of you seem ready for a solid marriage because trust me...

The bling of your diamond will shine and sparkle long after the luster of romance and excitement dulls. Come to marriage with all your marbles, grit, determination, realism and your best polishing cloth because marriage is WORK. Think about that more than you think about platinum or white gold.
 
I''m so sorry this happened to you hun! But I mean, I personally think you did the right thing. He may have loved you and vice versa but if you''re not on the same page about something as huge as a marriage timeline, it''s not fair to you. You shouldn''t have to go through all that turmoil all the time. I think walking out was important for your own well-being and sanity.
 
Yes, it is sad if it is true love but if I got a feeling that "it just wasn''t right" I wouldn''t do it either. Something made him unable to do what he promised he would do and a lot of people say that just means it wasn''t meant to be. I personally have deeply loved men that just weren''t the one and it hurt like h@ll when we broke up but in the end I found solace in the fact that it was never meant to be and I was then free to find what was meant to be (of course during the relationship I thought maybe it was meant to be).

CoGal I feel your pain I really do, but I think you did the right thing. Only you can know where your breaking point really is and if you reached it then you need to move on and find someone who won''t push you to your breaking point. You deserve that! I know right now it sounds ridiculous, unimaginable and trite but you will find that perfect someone and when you do you will just know it.

For now if you need a friend to talk to or just eat cupcakes and ice cream with I''m here for ya!
 
Date: 5/9/2008 3:00:54 PM
Author: TravelingGal
Is it really too late? If you are really moving on because you don''t want to be with a man who can''t commit to marriage (a valid reason, IMHO) good for you...I hope you stick to your guns and what I say below is a moot point, so ignore.

If you think you will go back to this cycle of nuttiness, then by all means, feel free to read my opinion.

It''s an age old question here on the LIW forum...what do you really want? The man? The marriage? The ring? The wedding? Majority would, of course, say the man and marriage. But then I have to ask, why does so much of the zany behavior actually revolve around the ring? You said,

''Then we had another talk about marriage. I asked him if he had some kind of plan or if there was a ring being made for me. I told him that I would only stay with him if he had already been actively looking for a ring.''

Seriously, how would you take it if your man said, ''Honey, I am only going to stay with you if you have been actively researching a big screen TV, and oh yeah, throw in some superbowl tickets too. That''s the only way I know you really love me.'' Huh? Who the HECK wants to hear that? Your talk ''about marriage'' was NOT about marriage from what you have posted here. It was about JEWELRY.

Do you really want this period of your life to be filled with tears, snooping, threats and breakdowns? Would most men want to be engaged/married to a woman who is in tears, snoops, makes threats and has breakdowns?

I don''t believe that it all has to be about HIS timeline and his wants and needs. Yours are important too. But right now your fantasies of engagement (telling everyone you know, etc) have spiraled out of control. Whether you go back to him or find someone new, you need a mindset shift, in my opinion. With all this crying and yelling on both your parts, neither of you seem ready for a solid marriage because trust me...

The bling of your diamond will shine and sparkle long after the luster of romance and excitement dulls. Come to marriage with all your marbles, grit, determination, realism and your best polishing cloth because marriage is WORK. Think about that more than you think about platinum or white gold.
I agree 100%
 
Unfortunately, even if she really loves him, he doesn''t seem like one willing to compromise for her feelings much, and that is key in a relationship. She''s relocated herself twice for this guy and he has promised her that he would move forward in this relationship and he''s "dragging it out" more? That is complete disregard and disrespect for her feelings.

I think you are a strong brave person for leaving, and in the end you will find someone who makes you happy and who will be absolutely DYING to marry you. One shouldn''t have cold feet with the person they want to spend the rest of their life with. Bravo to you for sticking to your guns!
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I hope everything turns out for you!
 
Date: 5/9/2008 3:00:54 PM
Author: TravelingGal

AMEN Sister! That is 100% true!
 
Date: 5/9/2008 1:08:04 PM
Author:Codependent Gal
I don''t know why he kept insisting that he was going to do it when he knew that he had no ring and that he wasn''t going to do it.
Did you read what you wrote? Heck, I can answer that one and so can almost anyone else reading. He said he would do it because you made it clear that you would leave if he didn''t. It''s the same reason he kept stalling - to buy himself time. He didn''t want to go without the relationship, the sex, the whatever. Men who want to get married do so. They do it without email hints, being dragged into the mall, tears, pleading, pressure, or all of the other "tactics" that I see being discussed on PS.

Glad you woke up. Now stop worrying about what he may or may not do or say in the future. Hopefully you can change your forum id to "No long co-dependent"
 
Date: 5/9/2008 3:00:54 PM
Author: TravelingGal
Is it really too late? If you are really moving on because you don''t want to be with a man who can''t commit to marriage (a valid reason, IMHO) good for you...I hope you stick to your guns and what I say below is a moot point, so ignore.

If you think you will go back to this cycle of nuttiness, then by all means, feel free to read my opinion.

It''s an age old question here on the LIW forum...what do you really want? The man? The marriage? The ring? The wedding? Majority would, of course, say the man and marriage. But then I have to ask, why does so much of the zany behavior actually revolve around the ring? You said,

''Then we had another talk about marriage. I asked him if he had some kind of plan or if there was a ring being made for me. I told him that I would only stay with him if he had already been actively looking for a ring.''

Seriously, how would you take it if your man said, ''Honey, I am only going to stay with you if you have been actively researching a big screen TV, and oh yeah, throw in some superbowl tickets too. That''s the only way I know you really love me.'' Huh? Who the HECK wants to hear that? Your talk ''about marriage'' was NOT about marriage from what you have posted here. It was about JEWELRY.

Do you really want this period of your life to be filled with tears, snooping, threats and breakdowns? Would most men want to be engaged/married to a woman who is in tears, snoops, makes threats and has breakdowns?

I don''t believe that it all has to be about HIS timeline and his wants and needs. Yours are important too. But right now your fantasies of engagement (telling everyone you know, etc) have spiraled out of control. Whether you go back to him or find someone new, you need a mindset shift, in my opinion. With all this crying and yelling on both your parts, neither of you seem ready for a solid marriage because trust me...

The bling of your diamond will shine and sparkle long after the luster of romance and excitement dulls. Come to marriage with all your marbles, grit, determination, realism and your best polishing cloth because marriage is WORK. Think about that more than you think about platinum or white gold.

It really wasn''t about the ring, it was about what the ring would have represented. He just needed to ask me to marry him and he didn''t. When he said that he couldn''t get a ring shipped to him, I said that it would be fine if he got some kind of cheap temporary ring or that if he just asked me then he could get a ring afterwards. The ring would be physical proof that he was willing to invest in our future.

I know that the crying, snooping and break downs were not attractive and I am not happy with the way that I was acting. I know that I shouldn''t have acted like that, but after months of talking about it and him promising that he was finally ready I couldn''t take it anymore. My going back down there to be with him was not without conditions. I just wanted to marry him. I don''t even care about the wedding, I would have married him on the spot without a ring, dress or a big party. He just doesn''t feel the same way about me and I can''t do anything to change that.
 
Date: 5/9/2008 3:11:34 PM
Author: KCCutie
Date: 5/9/2008 3:00:54 PM

Author: TravelingGal


AMEN Sister! That is 100% true!

TravelingGal, this has a really nice - no pun intended - ring to it. It''s like spoken word performance. Just has a nice rhythm I guess...

Anyhow, Codependent, I am so sorry that you''ve had these grief-filled few months. But I think you made the right decision to end the relationship, if what you wanted was marriage and what he wanted was not-marriage. You can and will meet someone whose priorities are the same as yours, and my advice is to look forward, never back.
 
Codependent, I have been thinkin about you and hoping you've been well.

Reading your story gave me chills, there are SO many similarities between your story ad mine it's uncanny.

When I told D I was leaving and he promised me it would happen in a month and took me to Aruba at the end of the month for vacation, then he felt so much pressure he couldn't do it--when we were on the plane leaving that trip he started bawling--I mean BAWLING--and telling me how sorry he was for not being ready, how I deserved more, etc. Then when his self-imposed "deadline" came up a few days after we returned, he told me he told me he was ready. We started designing the ring together that weekend, but three weeks later when I felt like he was dragging his feet, he fessed up that he didn't feel ready and I know I had to go. There were no doubts.

The day I left he went to the jeweler 3x to try to buy my ring--he had a panic attack each time and couldn't make it through the doors. He'd drive to downtown Boston, get to the doors, freak out, drive home, etc.

I got on a 1-way flight the next day...he was a mess. So was I, really, but I knew I was doing the right thing. He bought the ring that day. He then got into his car and drove 27 hours straight to propose. When he got to my house, he couldn't do it. He had the ring in his pocket, but he couldn't propose. At that point I was just angry.

I sent him home and told him not to call or email me--I changed my number, blocked his email. It was then that he started pulling himself together. I was gone. That was it. I was moving on with my life. He took off of work and literally just drove around the country with the ring trying to figure out what he was doing. He realized that he needed help. He went to therapy.

It took him 3 months--but when he decided he wanted marriage, that was it. We've been married 8 months and not ONCE has he had even a slight doubt.

I didn't mean to blab about myself, I'm just saying that I understand and I know from experience that not that many understand what it's like to be with a commitmentphobe. A case of cold feet is different than somebody with deeper fears.

D and I have talked about his "walk through the flames" many times. He really wanted to be ready--he saw how ready I was and he wanted to give me what he felt I deserved, but it was too overwhelming to him. I'm very careful not to paint him in a bad light--were some of the things he did insane by most peoples' standards? Yeah, but he was genuinely trying to be where I was: ready for marriage. It just wasn't until I was gone--REALLY GONE--that it hit him how deep his fears ran. His first reaction was to propose to get me back, but he decided against that and knew that therapy was the only way we were going to make it in the long-run.

You absolutely did the right thing. You need to move away from this relationship for yourself. For me, no contact was the only way I could heal.

Please post when you're feeling down, it's not an easy road. I know that you probably feel empowerment with a sense of overall sadness. Just remember that you did the right thing.
 
Date: 5/9/2008 3:21:57 PM
Author: Codependent Gal


It really wasn''t about the ring, it was about what the ring would have represented. He just needed to ask me to marry him and he didn''t. When he said that he couldn''t get a ring shipped to him, I said that it would be fine if he got some kind of cheap temporary ring or that if he just asked me then he could get a ring afterwards. The ring would be physical proof that he was willing to invest in our future.

I know that the crying, snooping and break downs were not attractive and I am not happy with the way that I was acting. I know that I shouldn''t have acted like that, but after months of talking about it and him promising that he was finally ready I couldn''t take it anymore. My going back down there to be with him was not without conditions. I just wanted to marry him. I don''t even care about the wedding, I would have married him on the spot without a ring, dress or a big party. He just doesn''t feel the same way about me and I can''t do anything to change that.
Honey, read what you are writing. You say you would have married him on the spot without a ring, dress or big party. But in the previous paragraph that the ring is "physical proof that he was willing to invest" in your future.

And if the ring is simply representative of your love...a "cheap temporary" ring would truly be the symbol/sentimental part of the engagement...no need for a "permanent" more expensive one, right? If it''s not about the ring and he can simply ask you to marry you, why would he even NEED to get you a ring afterwards?

You above post is chock full of contradictions. I am not trying to be mean, honest. The previous poster is correct...he promised you what he couldn''t deliver because of your threats. You know what they say...you can lead a horse to water...

I really do hope that you can move on, if that is what you want. Breakups are tough and heartwrenching and I hope you have friends who can comfort you and give you solid advice.
 
Awwwww!

I feel for you soooo much.

Sometimes I think we can get so hurt we don''t really truly see the other side. I feel your pain & your frustration. I admire your strength and respect your willpower.

The only advice I would give (in addition to the wonderful things these intelligent women are telling you) is not to close your heart completely unless you are absolutely sure.

Men, like women, can be damaged from their families, upbringing and past relationships. That is not to say they don''t love us more than humanly possible. But people have fears, flaws and issues that often have nothing to do with their partners but have everything to do with their families or childhoods... or adult experiences.

I feel from what you wrote that your guy really did try. He couldn''t bring himself to pull the trigger, but he earnestly wanted to make you happy and to move ahead with you. But you wrote that he also had childhood/family issues he was struggling with.

Even married couples work through these issues. Do you think maybe with all the meltdowns and "went crazies" (Totally human, girl! Don''t feel badly!) you both might have lost sight of each others'' needs? Do you think he''d be open to couples counseling? It might make you the better couple for it. Often, I see people choose each other for a reason. If you can work it out in an open, honest and loving way -- that''s love and life, is it not?

Maybe it is not the right time and you need time to yourself to think. I wouldn''t cut him off completely unless you are truly sure. Don''t worry so much about whether or not people will think you are stupid (you wrote you were worried about that - again, understandable). I mean, it''s your authentic life. Everyone makes their own path and no one should ever feel stupid or ashamed when life doesn''t work out perfectly or the way you expected. It''s real and it''s you -- and you''re going to grow from this and be a stronger and better person. So be proud of who you are and for following your heart. Be proud of being you. And then listen to your heart.

OK? I wish you the best, girl! I do!
 
Date: 5/9/2008 2:07:16 PM
Author: absolut_blonde
Oh man. What a terrible situation. This sums up one of my fears so it really tugged at my heart a bit. I''m really scared of something like this happening someday. It''s hard to take a big leap of faith with SO knowing that words only mean so much. And sometimes I think they even have good intentions to propose down the road but then the reality of it scares them, when it comes closer to the time...
Ditto! I agree 100%. Sorry, don''t really have any advice to offer - this is just something I think about a lot.
 
CodependantGal, I was wondering about you...I remember you''ve set an internal deadline and that date has long gone. I''m glad you came back. {{{{{hugs}}}}}.
 
Ummm, Bliss just how much longer should she give this little boy to grow up? I mean seriously? Is he some sort of prize or something? What does she "win" in this contest? Him?

Good grief she should have closed her heart back in November. Please don''t encourage someone to hold out false hopes. No therapist would encourage her to keep that door open.

I''m sure you mean well, but you''ve watched too many romantic movies. The "work" is supposed to come after the engagement/wedding to hold a marriage together. If it''s that much of a bummer before the wedding it''s quite unlikely to improve after. I think even New England Lady would agree that her experience was the exception, not the rule
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Thanks for sharing your story (I know it''s not easy). I have mixed feelings on this, I went from shaking my head at some of things you did (out of desperation and sheer frustration, I know) which likely made things worse or at least exacerbated the problem, to feeling complete sympathy for you b/c, well I remember having some of those feelings of sheer frustation!

My now DH dragged things out and I did a few things out of character (like give him timelines, deadlines, be a crying mess) which probably delayed things, but on the other hand his actions (or lack of) were what had turned me into this person. It''s the toughest place to be--to know it''s right, but to not be able to have any control or effect over the other persons actions. Words, yes, but actions..not so much. In the end my DH came through, but just in time and he never actually went against his word (it just wasn''t as soon as I wanted). Since then things have been ideal..in retrospect it seems he just needed to feel like it was his choice and that his timing/needs were also respected. Sounds easy now, but at the time, ugh, I was at my wits end. So I can relate a bit.

A few comments on your situations. First off, some of your actions unfortunately really made me cringe. The asking him what shape the diamond was, checking his webpage history, the begging, the following him on assignment, the constant 2nd, 3rd, 10th chances (even at the airport gate). Honetly at this point he must think he can get you back easily, because you always do come back. I believe if he even intended to propose, alot of your actions delayed it or maybe even made it impossible--I mean he had no free will, he was constantly being questioned, observed (overtly and covertly) and his every move tracked. It''s clear he DID make moves towards engagement, but not fast enough for you. When you said you read he emailed a friend about "gearing up for proposal" I was happy for you, but turns out you took it as a horrible misstatement (as he should''ve already had the ring in your opinion). I can see the utter frustration drove you to this--but really, it had to also be suffocating for your (ex?) bf.

On the other hand, this isn''t all you.. It seems he is stalling for some reason and gave you a lot of false hope. Question is..is it because he is fundamentally not sure you are "the one" or is the timelines which are off and all your pressure is driving him into paralysis? The fact that he kept extending his assignment (he does have a say in it), tells me he was using that as an exucse to buy him more time.

Anyway, it sounds like you are now done with him (good for for not taking calls btw, you''ve really been way too accessible as it is), so maybe all this analysis is moot. Do you want him to come around? Or are you enjoying being at peace finally without all the drama and had enough of the roller coaster which is clearly doing a number on your selfesteem? If you still are clinging onto some hope of engagement, my suggestion is to tell him not to contact you unless he is sure about being ready to propose sometime imminently--but that the longer he waits, the bigger the risk he takes that your feelings will change. In the meantime, start building up your self esteem--hang out with your girlfirends! Take a vacation alone! Go to a spa, retreat!
New England Girl is a great resource on this topic too..hope she chimes in :)
 
No you can''t change that. It is best to get on with your life and find someone who WILL love you as much as you love them.

No man wants a woman to beg him to get married, etc. As PP said in so many words. When a man is ready to propose he will.

I am older then you, (probably old enough to be your mother) and I saw my daughter go through this when she was younger. It ended up in a breakup also. I told her as I will tell you. There is no way in hell, I would beg a man to marry me. Sorry if this is harsh, but it is the way I feel.

Linda
 
To beg and cry and threaten was her mistake...I am sure many of us turn into this nightmare-of-a-woman once in a while. However, how does anyone know he doesn't really want to make it work? Maybe her actions of late have scared the hell out him?! Maybe he needs things to calm down because he isn't seeing the woman he wants to marry in the crazy woman she became for a few weeks? I am NOT saying you are crazy for acting out, because we all do it at one point (most of us anyway). However, your actions might have triggered him to feel like you might not be right for him. Maybe he needs to see the normal, confident woman you are on a regular basis. Really, none of us know your relationship so we can't tell you what went down on his end. All I am saying is that if you love him and you believe he loves you (truly) then maybe you're not ready to move on. Maybe he needs calm seas before he can see the light at the horizon.

If you're done, you're done and I encourage you to move on. But if you're unsure, maybe you both need a little more time. We aren't talking years, but maybe a little more time.
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Date: 5/9/2008 3:49:21 PM
Author: Linda W

There is no way in hell, I would beg a man to marry me. Sorry if this is harsh, but it is the way I feel.

Linda
True.
What TGal said: True.
What Janinegirly said: True.
What purrfectpear said: True.
 
Bia, the thing is he has had ample chances, trips, holidays to see her in her normal state. Albeit, not for long stretches, but she is only human and his delay (despite promises it sounds like) took it's toll with each passing day, week, month.

We can't excuse the men to the point they just have to say/do the minimal to get everything. It makes it too easy on them and even worse, makes them go the other way for some reason.

I think the only hope is to take a break (much like NEGirl did) and tell him clearly: NO contact until you've sorted yourself out, meaning proposal is imminent. I just think if she hangs around longer trying to be approachable chirpy girlfriend so he feels better about proposing, she will eventually see her self esteem decline to the point that it has cemented into permanent resentment.
 
I think that is a little harsh. Feelings are not censored--we all know that sometimes we act crazy! Cry, scream, throw things
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..etc.

She was feeling desperation, that doesn''t mean they aren''t right for one another. Definitely don''t beg a man to marry you but ladies, understand that in relationships sh*t happens, sometime beyond our control.
 
Date: 5/9/2008 4:01:17 PM
Author: janinegirly
The thing is he has had ample chances, trips, holidays to see her in her normal state. Albeit, not for long stretches, but she is only human and his delay (despite promises it sounds like) took it''s toll with each passing day, week, month.

We can''t excuse the men to the point they just have to say/do the minimal to get everything. It makes it too easy on them and even worse, makes them go the other way for some reason.

I think the only hope is to take a break (much like NEGirl did) and tell him clearly: NO contact until you''ve sorted yourself out, meaning proposal is imminent. I just think if she hangs around longer trying to be approachable chirpy girlfriend so he feels better about proposing, she will eventually see her self esteem decline to the point that it has cemented into permanent resentment.
Not just a break--but GONE! Codependent, change your number, block his email, MOVE ON!! Because of your past of always coming back/giving in when he calls, he doesn''t believe this is over. He will keep calling, make it easier on you by not allowing that to happen. This is your life, he''s monopolized it too long. Yes, I''m sure that you''re upset with yourself for being so clingy, but it''s irrelevant now. Let go of regrets and guilt and FOCUS on being healthy and moving on.
 
Date: 5/9/2008 4:01:17 PM
Author: janinegirly
Bia, the thing is he has had ample chances, trips, holidays to see her in her normal state. Albeit, not for long stretches, but she is only human and his delay (despite promises it sounds like) took it's toll with each passing day, week, month.

We can't excuse the men to the point they just have to say/do the minimal to get everything. It makes it too easy on them and even worse, makes them go the other way for some reason.

I think the only hope is to take a break (much like NEGirl did) and tell him clearly: NO contact until you've sorted yourself out, meaning proposal is imminent. I just think if she hangs around longer trying to be approachable chirpy girlfriend so he feels better about proposing, she will eventually see her self esteem decline to the point that it has cemented into permanent resentment.
Thats true...

Love is so precious (I mean!)...I just want her to be happy
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