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VS2 diamond owners, how often do you see the inclusions?

Daisyoz

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Hi :wavey: , I have been a lurker for sometimes, researching for my e ring. I can not describe how much Pricescope has educated me and made me appreciate jewelry. Thank you all!

The reason I opened the topic is that during my quest I came upon a gorgeous 1.7 VS2, with ASG 000 and HCA less than 2. It was described by the gemologist as 'will be completely clean from the top view and will require at least 10X magnification in order to see any inclusions' however it 'does have a very small dark crystal inclusion that if viewed with very sharp eyes and closer than 10" (this will also depend on the angle of the diamond and the lighting) may be seen'.

Now I have not much experience with well cut diamonds and not so sure how much that will bother me :? . I got pretty sharp eyes and could sport inclusions in stones my partner doesnt, though those stones were mostly SIs. At first I thought I couldnt bear looking at a diamond with a little mark like that for the amount of money that will be spent. Then one day, I tried on a 1.58 carat SI triple X in the store and couldn't spot any inclusion at all due to the blinding fires coming out from the stone (admittedly in the store lighting and the inclusions are probably white crystal or cloud). Then I started to think about how that mark probably would not look very obvious to me in the VS2 stone with even better cut and brilliance. I think I can live with an inclusion I dont see 90% of the time. The problem is I live in Autralia so it will be very complicated to order a stone to examine it then return if not happy.

So I would appreciate if PS members could let me know, in real life situation how often you see the dark inclusions in your VS2 or SI1 stones ? Under what lighting condition? Has anyone had friends/relative spotted their inclusion? I understand that VS2 inclusions in 1.5-1.7 carat sometimes are more visible than in 1-1.2 carat stones. Thanks for your help!
 
You shouldn't see inclusions all the way down to S12 clarity without 10x magnification in many stones. Your vendor should be able to tell you if they are "eye clean." VS1-VVS2 should be COMPLETELY eye clean. I have a 2.04 S12 stone and I can't see any inclusions without a loupe.

Here is a chart:

diamond_clarity_scale.jpg
 
Thanks soxfan for your prompt reply. That is what I thought too but this is what the vendor said:

'It 'will be completely clean from the top view and will require at least 10X magnification in order to see any inclusions however it does have a very small dark crystal inclusion that if viewed with very sharp eyes and closer than 10" (this will also depend on the angle of the diamond and the lighting) may be seen'.

Hence my dilemma :( ...
 
Daisyoz|1378898006|3518508 said:
Thanks soxfan for your prompt reply. That is what I thought too but this is what the vendor said:

'It 'will be completely clean from the top view and will require at least 10X magnification in order to see any inclusions however it does have a very small dark crystal inclusion that if viewed with very sharp eyes and closer than 10" (this will also depend on the angle of the diamond and the lighting) may be seen'.

Hence my dilemma :( ...

I would under no circumstances purchase one with a dark crystal. I'd CONSTANTLY be looking for it and know it's there. Wouldn't be "mind-clean" to me, know what I mean. People here will find you a lot of really really nice diamonds to choose from. They'll be here soon! I think most are still sleeping. :lol:

Tell us exactly what size and shape diamond you are looking for!
 
Thanks soxfan :). You are so nice. Yes, it would not be mind clean for me either, so I should go with my first gut reaction and forget about it then :). I am looking for a RB of around 1.5-1.7 carat. I am slightly colour sensitive so I think I might stop at G. I was told the budget is 19-20k :halo:
 
Daisyoz|1378902811|3518545 said:
Thanks soxfan :). You are so nice. Yes, it would not be mind clean for me either, so I should go with my first gut reaction and forget about it then :). I am looking for a RB of around 1.5-1.7 carat. I am slightly colour sensitive so I think I might stop at G.

I would forget about that one. If the inclusion is visible with your eye, it's not clean enough, IMO. Do a search on here for diamonds in your range, and use the HCA calculator to find ones that score under 2.
 
My opinion on clarity is that its about seeing the individual stone. The grading just gives you an idea of the chance the stone has a visible inclusion, doesnt guarantee it.

a IF stone, yeah thats eye clean

a VS2 stone, probably eye clean

a SI1 stone, could be eye clean

A SI2 stone, probably not eye clean

But those are general, doesnt mean that there isnt a VS2 that isnt eye clean, or a SI2 stone that is. Buy a stone thats eye clean, if the one your looking at isnt, skip it. There are eye clean stone in just about ever grading, just depending on the grading, you may just have to do a little more searching. :wavey:
 
People's eyesight varies, and VS2s vary too.

My SO's AGS VS2 has a large faint cloud that is not easy to spot, even with a fine 10x loupe.
My AGS VS2 has one substantial black carbon spot that my old eyes cannot resolve but I'm sure a younger person would see it with the naked eye if the diamond was in soft even lighting.
Spot lighting results in so much scintillation, fire, and contrast that it can camouflage inclusions.

VS2 is a great sweet spot balancing price and clarity.
It is usually eye clean to anyone, but you have to pay attention and evaluate each on a case by case basis.

So, if you are an old sugar daddy picking a diamond for your young hot babe :Up_to_something: :Up_to_something: :Up_to_something: keep in mind youngins may see inclusions that you can't.
 
My 5 stone ring is VS1 and VS2 I have yet to see anything, I cant even see anything under the loop and according to the appraisal I got they have some has white clouds...but I sure as heck cant see them...
 
I think to get the 1.70 size I could have an eyeclean diamond from top view even if I could see the black crystal from the pavillion.
I don't know as never seen it but wonder would many people notice from pavillion view I never look at others diamonds other
than view them as a whole?
 
Pyramid|1378943403|3518998 said:
I think to get the 1.70 size I could have an eyeclean diamond from top view even if I could see the black crystal from the pavillion.
I don't know as never seen it but wonder would many people notice from pavillion view I never look at others diamonds other
than view them as a whole?

Ok, WHAT Is your budget? This will help us help you..
 
soxfan|1378943728|3519004 said:
Pyramid|1378943403|3518998 said:
I think to get the 1.70 size I could have an eyeclean diamond from top view even if I could see the black crystal from the pavillion.
I don't know as never seen it but wonder would many people notice from pavillion view I never look at others diamonds other
than view them as a whole?

Ok, WHAT Is your budget? This will help us help you..

19-20k (though i dont know if thats for the whole ring or stone)

Im still keen on that E ;)
 
i have a 5+ carat emerald cut that is VS2 and I cant even see the inclusions in my stone.
 
I used to own a round 1.01 H VS2 and could not see anything in it unless I used the 3X mode on the microscope. It all really boils down to seeing it in real life, the placement/type of the inclusion, and of course, your personal opinion. I like some of the other options the PSers have posted though!
 
RockyRacoon|1378916527|3518689 said:

Wow, Rocky, it felt like Chrismast waking up to yours and Niel's post. So many nice stones :love: ! I haven't looked at BG Blue line before. I like the G VS1, definitely will shortlist it. Thanks so much!
 
kenny|1378922355|3518750 said:
People's eyesight varies, and VS2s vary too.

So, if you are an old sugar daddy picking a diamond for your young hot babe :Up_to_something: :Up_to_something: :Up_to_something: keep in mind youngins may see inclusions that you can't.
:lol: So true Kenny! Thank you! :)
 
soxfan|1378943728|3519004 said:
Pyramid|1378943403|3518998 said:
I think to get the 1.70 size I could have an eyeclean diamond from top view even if I could see the black crystal from the pavillion.
I don't know as never seen it but wonder would many people notice from pavillion view I never look at others diamonds other
than view them as a whole?

Ok, WHAT Is your budget? This will help us help you..

Soxfan thank you so much for your very appreciated help! If that question is for me not Pyramid ;) , I was told the budget is 20-21k including setting (as unfortunately the AUD/USD exchange rate is soooo bad currently ;( ). He said if I see something I really really like, it can go up a few more k. But I have a small 4.25 finger and in my social and work circle, diamonds are tiny, so I think anything bigger than 1.5-1.6 will make me very self conscious. (Although looking at PS members' rings here I want to go to 2 carat :naughty: :naughty: ).
 
Thanks Diamondlover, msop04, bgray, and UrsTx for giving me helpful advice :D
 
Daisyoz|1378957167|3519193 said:
Niel|1378903968|3518557 said:

Thanks Niel! What a lovely stone :love: ! How do you know I deeply desire a branded H&A :D ? I can see a white wisp there briefly but this is 40x. With the E colour, the ideal cut and H&A, the price is great I think. We will definitely shortlist it! :)

Up near the edge? Yes him can as well, though I think IRL you would
Not see it, it also looks like they could just use prong placement to cover it up.
 
Niel|1378977862|3519287 said:
Up near the edge? Yes him can as well, though I think IRL you would
Not see it, it also looks like they could just use prong placement to cover it up.

Yes, they definitely could. I have yet though found a setting on JA that I really like :| Will look again. Thanks Niel :)
 
Daisyoz|1379034587|3519788 said:
Niel|1378977862|3519287 said:
Up near the edge? Yes him can as well, though I think IRL you would
Not see it, it also looks like they could just use prong placement to cover it up.

Yes, they definitely could. I have yet though found a setting on JA that I really like :| Will look again. Thanks Niel :)


you could buy it and send it to ERD and have one custom made... that is always fun :Up_to_something:
 
Ahh, so ERD would accept that? I didn't know. That would be fun :lickout: ... if I could somehow convince SO hmm ... :cheeky:
 
I've only seen my 2 teeny inclusions under 20x magnification. I have a VS 2 G color 1.66 carat diamond, bought 25 years ago for 7.8K in the diamond district of NYC.
 
Totally eye clean.
 
I have a VS2 stone and I can't even see the inclusions with my loupe. I think I'm more sensitive to color than I am to clarity. That 1.57 ct that Niel suggested is STUNNING :love:
 
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