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Date: 11/28/2008 3:01:19 PM
Author: Maisie
That is disgraceful. How can people be so materialistic that they can trample over people to buy something. The only other time I have seen anything like this was when 96 football fans were crushed and trampled to death at Hillborough football ground in 1989, home to Sheffield Wednesday Football Club. I feel so sad for that mans family.
+1 Maisie.

As a point of interest, how would you feel if it were possibility to criminalise the actions of the mob in the case this week. Say if by the store cameras they could identify the crowd, would it be appropriate to charge them with ''X'' offence, say for example wanton negligence as to endanger human life (I just made that up). Even if there was no real penalty. I mean this more of a socal justice than penal measure. Should this mob ''get away with it''. Are there lessons to be learned for the next mob and how can they learn without consequences? At least at the football matches they were trying to escape, this was shopping for crying out loud....
 
what kind of world do we live in where people are willing to kill each other to get material goods at WalMart? I''m sorry,but I am totally disgusted by this story. No item is worth a human life. Poor guy was just doing his job for crying out loud.
Those people should be ashamed of themselves. And then from the other story, they had the nerve to complain when they shut down the store because they had waited in line so long and wanted to finish their shopping? Unreal. They are savages.
 
Date: 11/29/2008 10:56:00 AM
Author: Steel
Date: 11/28/2008 3:01:19 PM

Author: Maisie

That is disgraceful. How can people be so materialistic that they can trample over people to buy something. The only other time I have seen anything like this was when 96 football fans were crushed and trampled to death at Hillborough football ground in 1989, home to Sheffield Wednesday Football Club. I feel so sad for that mans family.

+1 Maisie.


As a point of interest, how would you feel if it were possibility to criminalise the actions of the mob in the case this week. Say if by the store cameras they could identify the crowd, would it be appropriate to charge them with 'X' offence, say for example wanton negligence as to endanger human life (I just made that up). Even if there was no real penalty. I mean this more of a socal justice than penal measure. Should this mob 'get away with it'. Are there lessons to be learned for the next mob and how can they learn without consequences? At least at the football matches they were trying to escape, this was shopping for crying out loud....

criminal charges are problematic because everyone who was pushing in is guilty and those that were closest to him likely could do nothing without going down themselves.
Walmart shares a large part of the blame for improper crowd control and creating the situation in the first place.
This is a disaster that was bound to happen eventually unfortunately and only by the grace of God there were not more this year and in years past.
One answer would be a lottery type deal where they sign up for a chance in a drawing to buy the top items.
But greed drives the stores to not do that.
Walmarts policies of heavily advertising goods that they know will sell out to the first few people is the largest contributing factor to this tragedy.
A multi-million dollar award for wrongful death against wallmart is the only type of justice that will ever come of this.
 
I am willing to bet that the people who were around the man who was killed feel dreadful. I suppose that there wouldn''t have been anything they could do in that kind of frenzied stampede. They would know if they trampled on him.

I hope his family get some kind of payout for this. It won''t make them feel better but I hope it will hurt the Wal-mart bank balance.
 
Date: 11/29/2008 12:40:04 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 11/29/2008 10:56:00 AM
Author: Steel

Date: 11/28/2008 3:01:19 PM

Author: Maisie

That is disgraceful. How can people be so materialistic that they can trample over people to buy something. The only other time I have seen anything like this was when 96 football fans were crushed and trampled to death at Hillborough football ground in 1989, home to Sheffield Wednesday Football Club. I feel so sad for that mans family.

+1 Maisie.


As a point of interest, how would you feel if it were possibility to criminalise the actions of the mob in the case this week. Say if by the store cameras they could identify the crowd, would it be appropriate to charge them with ''X'' offence, say for example wanton negligence as to endanger human life (I just made that up). Even if there was no real penalty. I mean this more of a socal justice than penal measure. Should this mob ''get away with it''. Are there lessons to be learned for the next mob and how can they learn without consequences? At least at the football matches they were trying to escape, this was shopping for crying out loud....

criminal charges are problematic because everyone who was pushing in is guilty and those that were closest to him likely could do nothing without going down themselves.
Walmart shares a large part of the blame for improper crowd control and creating the situation in the first place.
This is a disaster that was bound to happen eventually unfortunately and only by the grace of God there were not more this year and in years past.
One answer would be a lottery type deal where they sign up for a chance in a drawing to buy the top items.
But greed drives the stores to not do that.
Walmarts policies of heavily advertising goods that they know will sell out to the first few people is the largest contributing factor to this tragedy.
A multi-million dollar award for wrongful death against wallmart is the only type of justice that will ever come of this.
I agree...Walmart should be sued.
 
Date: 11/29/2008 1:53:11 PM
Author: CJ2008
Date: 11/29/2008 12:40:04 PM

Author: strmrdr


Date: 11/29/2008 10:56:00 AM

Author: Steel


Date: 11/28/2008 3:01:19 PM


Author: Maisie


That is disgraceful. How can people be so materialistic that they can trample over people to buy something. The only other time I have seen anything like this was when 96 football fans were crushed and trampled to death at Hillborough football ground in 1989, home to Sheffield Wednesday Football Club. I feel so sad for that mans family.


+1 Maisie.



As a point of interest, how would you feel if it were possibility to criminalise the actions of the mob in the case this week. Say if by the store cameras they could identify the crowd, would it be appropriate to charge them with ''X'' offence, say for example wanton negligence as to endanger human life (I just made that up). Even if there was no real penalty. I mean this more of a socal justice than penal measure. Should this mob ''get away with it''. Are there lessons to be learned for the next mob and how can they learn without consequences? At least at the football matches they were trying to escape, this was shopping for crying out loud....

criminal charges are problematic because everyone who was pushing in is guilty and those that were closest to him likely could do nothing without going down themselves.

Walmart shares a large part of the blame for improper crowd control and creating the situation in the first place.

This is a disaster that was bound to happen eventually unfortunately and only by the grace of God there were not more this year and in years past.

One answer would be a lottery type deal where they sign up for a chance in a drawing to buy the top items.

But greed drives the stores to not do that.

Walmarts policies of heavily advertising goods that they know will sell out to the first few people is the largest contributing factor to this tragedy.

A multi-million dollar award for wrongful death against wallmart is the only type of justice that will ever come of this.

I agree...Walmart should be sued.

I agree with this, and I hope the family does it. There were so many things they could have done, but they didn''t even bother - all they cared about was selling their crap.
 
Date: 11/28/2008 7:56:47 PM
Author: Miscka

Date: 11/28/2008 2:25:30 PM
Author: MC

I''ve only been in Walmart three times and was so embarrassed that I had to go in there last month to pick up a toy for a friend of my son''s.

I am sure you didn''t mean to be, and I know a lot of people have negative views of WM, but I find that statement offensive. I shop there from time to time because I am on a tight budget, and I don''t think it is shameful, esp. in this economy.


That being said, there is NO WAY I would have been there this morning, and I feel awful for the family of that worker. Completely senseless tragedy.
Sorry you were offended. My reasoning is because Walmart has had multiple class action lawsuits against their company for treating their employees terribly - like working overtime for no pay, I feel they are not a respectable company. Just because the economy is bad, I do not think that is an excuse for *me* to sacrifice my ethics when looking for a deal especially since plenty of other stores have sales and coupons reducing costs of items.

I do shop at plenty of stores that others disapprove of. One afternoon when I was chatting with a few moms, I mentioned a NW grocery/merchandise chain store I frequent, and one gal in a snooty voice stated she NEVER shops there, so apparently I''m not perfect either.
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Walmart has changed so much since Sam Walton passed away. I worked for Walmart, part-time, from March of 1990 to November of 1994 and Sam visited our store three times, in his wheelchair hooked up to IVs. He was a very sweet man who truly appreciated his associates and his stores. I''m sure he would be horrified at the way his company is being run these days....GREED...ALL GREED!

I was there when our store first opened and, at that time it was the largest Walmart in Texas, I worked in the layaway dept. Talk about fun.....we almost had a riot during the Christmas season. People can be SO RUDE! I''ve seen all sides of the human spirit..... I then transferred to the cash office, which was next to the service desk. That was even MORE FUN after Christmas...people would try and return things they purchased at other stores, yell at the associates, etc. It works both ways.

My heart hurts for this associate who lost his life this way....just awful.....and I agree that his family deserves compensation!

Lori
 
WTF??!!
Seriously - I know this is a diamond forum and all, but I have to say this - do these ppl so desperately need this materialistic crap (and at the end of the day , thats really all it is - crap), that freakin bad that they will let another person die for it??!!

I know it would be impossible to do, but I would like to see those responsible held to some kind of criminal negilgence charge. It is no different than if you saw a person get run over, then just ignored it and went on your way..
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I hope they are all very happy watching their new flat screens and using their toasters or whatever while this person''s family mourns their loss.
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This was such a difficult story to read and it''s hard to even comment on.

Yes, Walmart shares a large part of the blame for this happening. The irony though is that the store did hire extra security for this event -- including the person who was killed.

As much as I dislike retailers who create these crazy situations, I believe there are people in the mob that trampled the employee who bear most of the blame. This guy wasn''t just run over when the store opened -- the mob actually forced the doors open, breaking the glass and twisting the metal door frames, before the store''s opening time. In other words, there were people in that crown who were inciting and supporting criminal behavior that led to this man''s death. Hopefully the store video will allow these folks to be identified and prosecuted.

And lest anyone reach the wrong conclusion, I''m not suggesting for a second that the breaking and entering is worse than the death of the security guard. But while everyone in that crowd could say that they never intended for someone to die, there are apparently plenty of people who saw nothing wrong with breaking and entering, destroying someone else''s property, whatever you want to call it... which in this case led directly to someone''s death. Yes Walmart created a volatile situation, but I hope they''re not the only one punished for what happened.

BTW an 8-month pregnant woman was among the people in the crowd who was injured. Eight months pregnant and she''s willing to wait for hours and stays around even when the mob goes crazy??? What on earth?
 
I agree this is horrible. People can be so careless and not give a hoot just to save a buck. The walmart I went to at almost 5am was already open. People were inside standing by the things they wanted (they had crates/palets of the items thoughout the store) or they were in line at the photo center to get whatever they needed if it was kept locked up.

Now that i think about it, that was probably a good idea. no huge stampeeds rushing though the doors. There were however, crazy people grapping crap and rushing thoughout the store. But not the door breaking stampeeds.

As for the prego lady...how horrible for her. I do have to admit...the stories from past yrs. crazyness should have kept her out in fear of hurting herself and the baby. not saying that she shouldn''t be able to shop on that day, but if it was me, if i would have seen that MOB i would have turned around because because people are so inconsiderate sometimes.

speaking of prego ladies on BF. I was waiting in our walmart and a lady had her toddler, and her 6 month prego friend with her. i kindly asked the lady to please watch her friends toddler, and let her go into the crazy mob for the safety of herself and her baby. i wasn''t trying to be rude...i was trying to watch out for her just in case she didn''t know how rough it could get. i didn''t want her to get elbowed in the belly.
 
My husband and I actually went to a local Walmart at 3 a.m. to try and get a doorbuster. (42" LCD, 1080p Flat Screen HDTV for $600).
We left for fear of violence. Seriously.

They had all of the merchandise IN THE AISLES. Wrapped in black slightly see through plastic. You could not move in the aisles. People were swarming the different piles, since you could read through the plastic. There were EIGHT TVs, and at least 12 people closer than we were. My husband and I looked at each other, decided it was SO not worth it, and left.

It was the most poorly managed situation I have ever been in.
 
I'm wondering if this has something to do with the area or maybe big cities versus small cities.

Last year my mom and I also went to Wal-Mart at 3AM so that she can buy a new TV. She lives in Kissimmee, FL which I swear is owned by Disney LOL. Anyway, she has about 5 super/24-hour Wal-Marts within 20 minutes of her home. When we went last year, we were able to get in with no traffic and park with no problem. We strolled into the store, stood in the line for the TVs (we got two), and then walked around for an hour or so getting some other stuff. There was no pushing, no rudeness, no violence. Everyone was calm. The store was cleaner than it normally is and check-out took about 15 minutes.

I think a lot of it had to do with how organized everything was. There were only 15 TVs at the price we went for. There was one line by the TVs and everyone had a number and there was an associate that would call up the number, give them the TV, then call up the next number.
 
Date: 12/2/2008 10:34:07 AM
Author: fieryred33143
I''m wondering if this has something to do with the area or maybe big cities versus small cities.

Last year my mom and I also went to Wal-Mart at 3AM so that she can buy a new TV. She lives in Kissimmee, FL which I swear is owned by Disney LOL. Anyway, she has about 5 super/24-hour Wal-Marts within 20 minutes of her home. When we went last year, we were able to get in with no traffic and park with no problem. We strolled into the store, stood in the line for the TVs (we got two), and then walked around for an hour or so getting some other stuff. There was no pushing, no rudeness, no violence. Everyone was calm. The store was cleaner than it normally is and check-out took about 15 minutes.

I think a lot of it had to do with how organized everything was. There were only 15 TVs at the price we went for. There was one line by the TVs and everyone had a number and there was an associate that would call up the number, give them the TV, then call up the next number.
THAT Would have made sense. It was literally just a grabby free for all at my store.
 
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