Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs provided

[plumplum13]

Hello all,

I have been lurking on this website for a while and have learnt alot from your helpful posts and reply! My fiance just recently proposed to me (yay!) and we have been doing lots of research trying to find our best diamond. I have narrowed my choices down to these two. Any thoughts regarding these? I am most concerned about on the GIA report the EVVS1 internal and surface graining in the comments section, and the DVVS2 feather at the edge, and also some pinpoints not shown. I have run both specs in the HCA and AGA tool, and have found them to be as below:

E VVS1
None fluorescence
Carat = 1.51
Size = 7.39x7.42x4.5 mm
Depth = 60.8
Table = 60
Crown height = 13%
Pavillion depth = 44%
Crown angle = 33
Pavillion angle = 41.4
Cutlet = none
Girdle = medium-slightly thick
Comments: Clarity grade based on internal graining that is not shown. Surface graining is not shown.
Diagram: No other inclusions in plot (No attachment)
AGA Score = 2A
HCA Score = 3.9

D VVS2
Faint fluorescence
Carat = 1.53
Size = 7.40 x 7.36 x 4.58 mm
Depth = 62.1
Table = 55
Crown height = 15.5
Pavillion depth = 43
Crown angle = 34.5
Pavillion angle = 40.8
Cutlet = none
Girdle = medium-slightly thick
Diagram: see attachment
Comments: Additional pinpoints are not shown.
AGA Score = 1.3
HCA Score = 1A

 

[delight]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

You have nothing to worry about in VVS1 or VVS2 diamonds for clarity. In terms of performance, numbers mean nothing. You probably need images and scope images.

 

[Niel]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

I would not be worried about an inclusion in a VVS stone..

The numbers don't mean nothing, but they are just the start, you would want more info about performance like Idealscope Images.

Some might say you are unnecessarily high color and clarity combos. You happy with that compared to the size a G VS stone could provide? 1.5 was your ideal size? Or color/clarity is more important?

 

[marymm]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

Based on the numbers alone, I prefer the 2nd diamond (HCA 1.3 and AGA 1A). You will have no issues with clarity with either of these stones.

Are you able to request IdealScopes or Aset images for these diamonds? Have you / will you be able to see them in person prior to purchase? Does the vendor have a solid return policy?

FYI: for comparison, I ran a quick search on WhiteFlash and Brian Gavin Diamonds, for D/E/F diamonds between 1.4ct - 1.6ct, any clarity, searching their signature lines - WhiteFlash has just one diamond (PS wire $24,973), and BGD has several (ranging in wire price from $13,470 for an E-SI2, to $30,606 for a D-VS1)...
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/search.aspx
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamond/search-for-diamonds/round

 

[msop04]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

Some might say you are unnecessarily high color and clarity combos. You happy with that compared to the size a G VS stone could provide? 1.5 was your ideal size? Or color/clarity is more important?

I would say that the color/clarity combo is definite overkill in my opinion. Unless you just want to say you have a D/VVS1 stone, it's not necessary for a white, totally eye-clean diamond. Here is a stone that looks really good and is noticeably larger than a 1.5 ct stone. Although I'm not sure of your budget, I'm willing to bet that it will come in under budget at less than $20,500. I'd put it on hold.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...t-g-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-28845 HCA 1.0, $20,440

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

No contest, the second one. It is better cut. I wouldn't consider the first one. I will tell you that there is zero clarity concern with a VVS stone. I also like great clarity, but I will tell you that VS1 is normally so clean that you cannot see the inclusions with a 10x loupe. So I am usually happy to go VS1 and get a slightly larger stone. But if 1.5 cts is the size you want, then I'd choose the second one, subject to seeing a magnified image of the stone and the idealscope image.

 

[Lula]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

No contest, the second one. It is better cut. I wouldn't consider the first one. I will tell you that there is zero clarity concern with a VVS stone. I also like great clarity, but I will tell you that VS1 is normally so clean that you cannot see the inclusions with a 10x loupe. So I am usually happy to go VS1 and get a slightly larger stone. But if 1.5 cts is the size you want, then I'd choose the second one, subject to seeing a magnified image of the stone and the idealscope image.

DS -- How can you tell that the second one is better cut, just from the numbers and no images? I think it's a matter of personal preference which stone will look "better," based on numbers alone, without images or photographs that would provide more information about cut quality and light return. The first stone is close to a 60/60 cut (a 60/60 cut meaning the table and depth are both 60%); if cut well, a 60/60 cut can be a bright, beautiful stone that faces up slightly larger than other stones of the same carat weight that are cut deeper. GIA rounds the numbers on its reports, numbers, so it's important to note that the numbers on the report are approximations of what the true angles of the stone are. That said, here is a diamond with similar proportions. This is a lovely diamond. The large table and shallower crown may not be to everyone's personal preference, but that does not mean that it is not a nice diamond.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...-f-color-vvs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-41626 Note that this diamond has excellent cut, polish, and symmetry as graded by GIA.

plum plum -- do you have the opportunity to see both of these stones in person? Or are you unable to see them in person? And are these GIA triple excellent (Excellent cut polish, symmetry) diamonds?

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

Two schools of thought here apparently, and I tend to agree with the one based on the available numbers, that stone number one should probably not be considered.

Lula, since you went more into detail, here is why I disagree with you. Granted, a stone with such numbers could look nice, and GIA-rounding might make the stone look worse than it actually is.

But if you are saying that a 60/60 can be bright and beautiful, while facing up slightly larger, you have to look at the specific stone. It happens to have a diameter lower than the second stone, so the potential 'advantage' of the 60/60 is lost in this specific stone.

Maybe, the OP can obtain further pictures of both stones, but in the absence of such, the probability of the second stone being a nice stone is a lot higher than the same probability for the first stone.

Live long,

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

There are 60/60 stones that have a better HCA score (under 2), but this one doesn't. As Paul said, as far as the numbers go, the second one is a safer bet. When both stones have numbers that fall into the ideal cut range, then seeing them would be the only way to determine a preference. But when we cannot see the stones, it is extremely helpful to use the tools we do have to choose the stone that has greater probability of being a good one. I'd eliminate stones that have an HCA score over the low 2 range if I were searching GIA Excellent cut stones by paper only. Hope this discussion helps you see why we have made the recommendations we have, plumplum.

 

[plumplum13]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

Thank you sol much for all your replies! The discussion is very interesting and has given me some perspectives. These diamonds are online from Blue Nile so I've been trying to get real images of them, (I'm still waiting on another photo). I understand clarity wont really be an issue with either stone, but I was worried about the feather on the edge of the second diamond, if it would affect the integrity. Ie. could that feather ever lead to a crack later on? Also I've been reading about the comments about "additional pinpoints not shown" on the VVS2 - does this mean these additional pinpoints are under the table of the diamond? Will that affect light penetration and return?

Thank you!

 

[CharmyPoo]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

I personally would go for F/VS if you can find a good one. You won't be able to tell apart a VVS and VS1 likely not even under a microscope. I have a E diamond (high E) which is a bit too white for me and sometimes looks fake. I think my sweet spot is F/G.

These are much better choices.
21.5K - 1.50 F VS1
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.50-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-73572

23.4K - 1.64 F VS1
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.64-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-73654

25.9K 1.50 E VS1
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2708988.htm

27.5K - 1.55 E VS1
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.551-e-vs1-round-diamond-ags-104051364002

 

[CharmyPoo]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

I noticed the second diamond seems to be off the site. You would really be better off getting one of the ones I listed - they are H&A which I am not sure if the BN ones are. These options are priced lower as well. I am not sure why you are drawn to BN - their cash back and coupons aren't worth it. These other companies ship to Canada all the time if that is why you want to use BN.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

It is probably too late, but I would agree with Charmy that the WF and BG stones, especially, will likely be better cut than the BN ones. And VS1 is extremely clean.

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

I would not overpay for a VVS stone in a round brilliant. No way. Waste of money, frankly.

I wouldn't pay for anything over VS1. And frankly I'd drop color down to F/G as well.

You won't be able to tell the difference AT ALL.

And you can go bigger in size. And that you WILL be able to see. Or just pocket the money and save toward the expensive wedding to come.

As for integrity. I wouldn't worry about a feather in most VS2's. Let alone in a VVS.

And I agree with all of Charmy's recommendations.

James Allen has better return policies than Blue Nile. And offers a trade up.
White Flash and BGD offer some of the best trade up policies in the industry. And have some of the nicest diamonds too.

 

[plumplum13]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

Hello,

Thanks for your replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the other sites now. The reason those BN diamonds are not on the site, is that I currently have them on hold. Nonetheless, they sent me photos of both, and they are very comparable. And honestly, yes it would be difficult for me to tell the difference without having them in my hand to compare. Which is why I, as a novice, used AGA and HCA tools as suggested on multiple threads in this forum to gauge their cut performance. Both diamonds are currently around or under $25,000, and it had seemed on a surface search that BN had better prices. I also have size 3.25 ring finger, and I felt 1.5 carat was big enough, but it would be possible for me to get used to a bigger stone, but I personally didn't feel like bigger was better.

 

[CharmyPoo]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

BN may appear better priced but that's because we aren't comparing like to like. The ones I linked are hearts and arrows and cut better.

 

[AprilBaby]

Re: Which is a better diamond? - EVVS1 vs DVVS2 - specs prov

Of the two you like, #2 is better but I would go with the other vendors. Best wishes on your choice!